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Assassin's Creed Survey
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Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Counters are back?
The Caribbean is literally the exact same thing as Paris and America. /s <-----Why people have to be so disingenuous about that shit is so annoying. No the environments do not look the same. Unless you're gonna tell me that the culture of America, is the same culture as Havanna during the Golden Age of Piracy, or Paris during the French Revolution. We should also ignore the advancements in the engine as well right?I think there's technical reasons to it. They need to make it an yearly franchise, they need to choose locations that they can explore it a lot. The buildings in Assassin's Creed Syndicate looks almost the same as Unity.
Or maybe i'm crazy, but to me it does looks very similar.
(well, the entire franchise looks the same, so....)
Amen. I said this plus return the Real World segments with a 3rd person character (which includes actually having an adventure story for the real world, not just hacking boring computers). I also said return to the "Those That Came Before" story arch. I also said, to return the Truth Glyph puzzles.
UnluckyKate
Member
we'll find out in 2 or 3 days now
I guess they developed the Chronicles series for that purpose : explore other countries and expand the universe by other means than the main series. You have both "exotic" 2D gameplay and 3 more exotic locations, that were already used in the comics or CG short-movie (China, India and Russia).
Having more exotic locations and choosing better historical contexts for the main games is something they should do. They have lots of choice but they are guided by marketing and business points of view : they must choose a period that remind mass players something, like a school course they had or a mainstream movie they saw. So it's not as interesting as it could be as an historical game, the games are mainly theme park with the same game design mechanics (shared with other open world). Released annually, and you understand why lots of people are tired of the games.
But Paris in 1789 and London in 1870 are quite different, especially if you look at the streets. It's not Damascus 1100 vs any european city between 1700 and 1800, but visually they can change a lot of things.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Read redemption 2 and titanfall 2 are on that list
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
But they really made up for it with Black Flag, so I don't know where the problem is.
I love the series despite it's shortcomings. Just started my complete playthrough this week. Currently going towards the end of 2. Really good game. Curious to see how 3 will hold up now. I remember liking it a lot back then. Only thing that bothered me was the atrocious framerate. But now I'm playing it on PC, so that won't be a problem any more.
microtubule
Member
I think I was more excited about seeing Read Dead 2 in the survey. I also managed to insert "You need to re-hire Patrice Desilets" as a jab.
SuperInuit
Member
"Skyrim 2" too, they listed the action/adventure and open worlds that may come in a few years.
The next Red Dead is pretty much confirmed, we know Red Dead is a franchise Rockstar wants to develop (there was an interview about that 1 or 2 years ago)
Filled it out.
Played all AC games (except rouge, gonna do that this autumn while i wait for Syndicate to drop in price), the games have become stale, repetitive and a grind for worthless trinkets. It lost a lot of the interesting lore about the precursor races, treasures and hidden parts of this world. I miss the lore and stories of the characters during certain periods of time.
I want a game that rewards exploration and builds on the world through sidemissions that evolve and actually have story elements to them(see Witcher 3). I would love an AC game that let's me find hidden Templar or forgotten Assassin dungeons that i can explore and find treasures/interesting lore/information in.
oh well, but a man can dream right?
Played all AC games (except rouge, gonna do that this autumn while i wait for Syndicate to drop in price), the games have become stale, repetitive and a grind for worthless trinkets. It lost a lot of the interesting lore about the precursor races, treasures and hidden parts of this world. I miss the lore and stories of the characters during certain periods of time.
I want a game that rewards exploration and builds on the world through sidemissions that evolve and actually have story elements to them(see Witcher 3). I would love an AC game that let's me find hidden Templar or forgotten Assassin dungeons that i can explore and find treasures/interesting lore/information in.
oh well, but a man can dream right?
TheCarrotKiller
Banned
Answered! They really needs to take a break from the franchise, the games has become much worse over time. Bring back the first civilisation and get rid of those damn objectives, please!
Lightning Count
Member
Describe in three words.
Repetitive
Chauvinistic
Overrated
Repetitive
Chauvinistic
Overrated
RowdyReverb
Member
I just want them to make an epic feeling story in one of these games. Something that makes me give a damn about the characters and their motivations. I'm tired of the assassin who is "too cool" for the brotherhood.
I remember the plot lines for the earlier games better than I do the more recent ones. Even AC3 for all its flaws had a memorable story. I can't really say the same for AC4 and AC:U, and AC:S sounds like it's shaping up to be a generic uprising of the oppressed. I also think removing the modern day plot was a mistake. I enjoyed that each game brought us a little further into the mystery of the first civilization and what happened there.
I'll copy + paste this onto the survey. Just wanted to vent.
I remember the plot lines for the earlier games better than I do the more recent ones. Even AC3 for all its flaws had a memorable story. I can't really say the same for AC4 and AC:U, and AC:S sounds like it's shaping up to be a generic uprising of the oppressed. I also think removing the modern day plot was a mistake. I enjoyed that each game brought us a little further into the mystery of the first civilization and what happened there.
I'll copy + paste this onto the survey. Just wanted to vent.
Exactly. I really want to love this franchise again, and I keep giving it a chance every year.
RPGCrazied
Member
The three words I put Boring, Stale and Milked. And I put the games are getting worse. I also said to give the ip a rest and bring back Prince of Persia.
Amen. The writing has dramatically suffered after he left.
Garrett Hawke
Member
You have to be kidding... those two screenshots look like they could be from the same game. No-one is saying that ACIV looked like Unity. But you would have to be either blind or delusional to figure that they're not going to be re-using a metric ton of Unity assets for Syndicate.
captainnapalm
Member
It's so depressing watching Ubisoft appear all at sea about what to do with Assassin's Creed.
The series desperately needs a solid direction and an author. I didn't much like the stories in Black Flag or Unity, and AC3 wasn't that great either. The main protagonists aren't memorable, and the past/present storyline has completely fallen off the radar, even though its actually central to making the whole thing feel meaningful.
In AC games, the main sequences and memories have been getting shorter and shorter, they almost feel like afterthoughts, with all the focus on trying to fill the open worlds with a lot of meaningless, filler content.
They need to refocus on the main sequences, making it the focus like it was with Ezio, and the side content needs to complement the main story as well, like it did with Ezio. And they need to have what's happening in the past actually have weight and be of importance in the present. And the present needs its own protagonist again.
Sadly, I don't think it's possible to do this when the focus is massive, bloated sandboxes every single year.
The series desperately needs a solid direction and an author. I didn't much like the stories in Black Flag or Unity, and AC3 wasn't that great either. The main protagonists aren't memorable, and the past/present storyline has completely fallen off the radar, even though its actually central to making the whole thing feel meaningful.
In AC games, the main sequences and memories have been getting shorter and shorter, they almost feel like afterthoughts, with all the focus on trying to fill the open worlds with a lot of meaningless, filler content.
They need to refocus on the main sequences, making it the focus like it was with Ezio, and the side content needs to complement the main story as well, like it did with Ezio. And they need to have what's happening in the past actually have weight and be of importance in the present. And the present needs its own protagonist again.
Sadly, I don't think it's possible to do this when the focus is massive, bloated sandboxes every single year.
Yup, it sure was.
When they start doing surveys you know it's gotten bad. This is Square-Enix level of cluelessness.
Please, it's not with 2 screenshots that you can state "it is always the same" or "the cities are the same". They may use previous assets for some areas (old districts that weren't changed since 100 years or so) but from the few leaked screenshots and official ones we can see that this isn't just a copy&paste game.
Surveys just like this were leaked at the time of Assassin's Creed 2 or Broterhood. Nothing new.
Magic Mushroom
Member
I want them to make an AC game with a world conparable to The Witcher 3, a sandbox like Phantom Pain promises and the mechanical richness of Bloodborne. 
captainnapalm
Member
The in-game 'rate this memory' stuff was the first sign.
keltickennedy
Member
Worried. Not once in the survey did they even mention....you know.....ASSASSINATIONS.
WTF?
WTF?
Solaire of Astora
Death by black JPN
Me too. I told them to rip up the design document and start again.
Oh, and my three words were Potential, wasted and repetitive.
I also pointed that out in my answers. I feel that they've forgotten that the series is supposed to be about being an assassin.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Those two screenshots do look like they could come from the same game, but I'm not basing my assumption on that. I'm basing it on the fact that historically those two locations look quite similar so it is going to be very easy to re-use assets with minor texture adjustments and everything will look just fine. Especially considering this is Ubisoft, and one of the most common complaints from people who play their games is that they are beginning to feel stale and homogeneous. Just look at the replies in this thread.
I'm an AC fan - I have played every single AC game excluding Rogue, including Lib on Vita. I bought that on launch day as I did AC3. But the franchise fatigue is real and Ubisoft needs to do more than "well now it's in London, and you can steal carriages!" to make things feel fresh.
runningjoke
Member
'We now want to show you some trailers, would you like to see some trailers?'
Ok sure
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Ok sure
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Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yes they're going to reuse some assets for Syndicate but the architecture outside of cherry picked screens looks very different.
Like say here.
This looks like Paris to you? We've only seen one small snippet of one district of the game, and it was in pre-alpha with a ton of unfinished assets, placeholder animations and the jankiness that you'd expect from an early look at a game. Then you add in the behavior of the crowd likely being quite different in their behaviors and culture.
Nah, this is the first time ever that we've ever seen a survey, what are you talking about? Not like we've ever had threads on this or anything.
matrix-cat
Member
Might be a waste of time, but I tried to be constructive. I loved Assassin's Creed once, but it's gone on so long that it's... well, lived to see itself become the villain, essentially. I wrote about how I'd need to see a raw, unpracticed gameplay demo showing a nimble character with responsive controls, with stealth and combat and traversal gameplay that looked like something a normal player could actually pull off without having practiced that vertical slice a hundred times before I'd ever be enticed to go back. Also mentioned that the Batman games share so many mechanics with AC and execute practically all of them so much better and more enjoyably.
Most major companies run surveys or focus groups. Pretty much all major movie studios do. A public company like Ubi investing a triple AAA budget in a game? Yea, they should probably run surveys instead of assuming they know what people want.
Aaaah, I feel so much better now. Already been said, but yes, what a cathartic experience.
Yeah, that was hilarious. I gave them an arbitrary three points for that trailer. I mean, anything below 7 is terrible, right?
Eyemus Lutt
Member
Bioware's survey's leak all the time so that must mean the next Mass effect will suck.
keltickennedy
Member
I mean....the game is out in October. This seems like just some "For the Fans!" bullshit. I got an email the other day about how they are doing a road tour this summer where fans will help shape the game!
It seriously feels just like PR bullshit to get back in peoples good graces after Unity.
I'm a huge fan of the franchise. The biggest thing it needs is some time away where everyone can properly rethink things.
Nope, your assumption is based on a biased opinion, you should read books about Paris in the 1790s and London in the 1860-70s. Even other screenshots released by Ubisoft of Syndicate should the drastic differences (lots of large cleaner streets, carriages, more big buildings better-built. I don't even raise the point of a revolutionary Paris and a capitalist London which brings a different mood to the city.
This
I also found it odd that in in a survey about assassin's creed they didn't ask about what historical settings you would like too see. The biggest problem imho for the series is the annualized releases.
infinit777
Member
I feel like my want list may be the opposite of a lot of gaffes... So here it is, my Controvercial ac want list:
Murder button: I feel the gameplay was unique and fun when the games had the murder button and once it was needed then later removed the gameplay became bland.
Present time story: I really miss the days of Desmond miles, I looked forward to going back into present time because it gave a different story and it gave diversity to the setting.
Hidden blades as an equippable: I hated that unity took away this, it was almost enough to get me to drop the game...
Puzzles: I can't remember exactly but I feel like puzzles were almost non existent in unity. I could be very wrong.
Murder button: I feel the gameplay was unique and fun when the games had the murder button and once it was needed then later removed the gameplay became bland.
Present time story: I really miss the days of Desmond miles, I looked forward to going back into present time because it gave a different story and it gave diversity to the setting.
Hidden blades as an equippable: I hated that unity took away this, it was almost enough to get me to drop the game...
Puzzles: I can't remember exactly but I feel like puzzles were almost non existent in unity. I could be very wrong.
Garrett Hawke
Member
I'm not saying there will be no differences, but this is an incredibly similar location compared to say, AC3 -> ACIV.
You are also "cherry picking" screenshots that look different though. :/Yes they're going to reuse some assets for Syndicate but the architecture outside of cherry picked screens looks very different.
Like say here.
This looks like Paris to you? We've only seen one small snippet of one district of the game, and it was in pre-alpha with a ton of unfinished assets, placeholder animations and the jankiness that you'd expect from an early look at a game. Then you add in the behavior of the crowd likely being quite different in their behaviors and culture.
Nah, this is the first time ever that we've ever seen a survey, what are you talking about? Not like we've ever had threads on this or anything.
This survey is likely to help them plan promotions for the upcoming game. What talking points to use and types of clips to release. It is probably too late for them to make huge changes to assassins creed 2016 at this point.