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[Y2Kev]

if Sony really were in it to pull a fast one, wouldn't they just wait until the kickstarter closed so you couldn't cancel your pledge with no consequence?

I don't think they have thought their plan all the way through...

I think Sony should disclose on the page they are an investor. It would make people more likely to donate. It has a real developer and larger budget behind it whereas right now it just has senior staff. I'm all in favor of transparency but right now I'm not clear how having extra information would actually alter decision making. Like if you knew Sony was investing before would you not?

Seems more like an ethical concern over risk sharing than one over transparency, which seems more academic. But I am happy to be wrong.

 

[Wildarmsjecht]

Someone answer my query?!?!

Also, come on Salty Gaf, that's enough now.

This is a dream game for many gamers. If so many people felt the same way Salty Gaf is feeling, they would be pulling out their funding. Kickstarter doesn't pull the money until the end of the pledge soooooooooooo there's a way out.

But it rises.

Funny that.

 

[fedexpeon]

hey atleast when you pay 60 you know what you're getting and it's printed on a disc.

Hey, at least he knows that Sony is going to be invested in the project and will try to get it out of the door.

 

[Krejlooc]

hey atleast when you pay 60 you know what you're getting and it's printed on a disc.

I've preordered PC games before.

 

[maquiladora]

I am shaking in anger and tears are streaming down my face.I have lost all hope at some modern gamers today.

lmao relax man, you don't have anything to worry about.

 

[DXLelouch153]

pls Gaf dont get this game cancelled because of your shitty pride or morals

 

[Shinriji]

Hi haters

 

[Rozart]

And backers get the game at half price. Why are people acting like backers are getting cheated?

Because they likely aren't even that interested in the game-- so much so that they didn't even visit the KS page to take a look at the pledge rewards.

 

[Bishop89]

I don't understand how anyone can turn Shenmue 3 being greenlit as a negative thing. I really don't understand.

fanboyism/trolling.

 

[Padinn]

Frankly I think I'd be happier if more games took this route...hell, I'd fund a similar Earthbound Kickstarter in a heartbeat. It's a great way for fans to support the games they want.


Feels better to have a say in what's created than watch more trailers of Call of Battleduty 74.

 

[FreddieQuell]

Seeing Shenmue 3 get announced is like hearing baby Dragons singing. Kinda hard to be cynical after that.

It is known.

 

[Kieli]

fanboyism/trolling.

Concern-trolling.

 

[Aspiring]

I gladly put money down as soon as i saw i could. I am also glad sony is funding because on top of my digital copy i want a hard copy, and hope Sony will now deliver.

 

[Mastperf]

I'm going to get Shenmue 3 for 28 dollars on release day. Boy they sure got me.

Sucker. They really got one over on you.

 

[Erevador]

You know what, I only wanted to get it for the 29$, but fuck it, now I will back it with 100$.

My people...

 

[Onimusha78]

I feel bad that this thread is my first ever here on GAF...

Took me 400 hundred posts to become a member. wth lol

 

[Strike]

 

[Audioboxer]

did you read this thread i linked

Aw man, that third post. lol

Shenmue has no fans

 

[Corto]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

Those consumers are not donating money to that multi billion dollar corporation. They are exchanging money for the game proper and some sweet swag, soundtrack and vanity features. They're not donators, they're sponsors that depending on the project can even have some of their contributions included in the final work.

 

[Cyberia]

Adam Boyes on this subject:

https://youtu.be/FRGlVDi3FHQ?t=1m40s

 

[4Tran]

The majority off the game? Source?

Shenmue 3 isn't a $2-5M game, so the rest of the money has to come from someone else.

Even if that's the case, it's a publisher getting free money from whales to finance and diminish their risks while keeping all the advantages of having said product as an exclusive console-wise. And when I say whales I mean the people donating way more than $60, before you try that "but it's not free money they are getting the game too!!!!"

The money isn't going to Sony; it's going to YS Net. And the more money they get, the more ambitious Shenmue 3 is going to be. This appeals to a lot of backers, so they've been pledging in record numbers. This may not appeal to you, so you can feel free to buy the game when it comes out instead.

 

[RurouniZel]

"Gauge interest" is a convenient excuse. This game was always going to be funded at any goal (within reason). Sony knows how a game like this would be received after seeing overnight successes like Yooka-Laylee.

Try telling this to the guys who tried to Kickstart a successor to Eternal Darkness, a game many people love and said they wanted a sequel/spiritual successor too.

They failed to raise even $100,000. Twice.

Words are cheap and Sony/Ys Net know this. The kickstarter is now an actual data point that they can take to their bean counters and say "Hey look at these records we just fucking broke overnight. We're totally contributing to this to get a PS4 version!" instead of empty promises from message boards.

 

[chromatic9]

Nope, it's ok to fully crowdfund a game, what it's not ok is crowdfund a game that already has a publisher with enough money to fund it themselves, that's when it crosses the line.

Star Citizen had a similar deal which had investors in place. The kickstarter was never going to fund the game, just prove it to the investors to put the money down.

After the kickstarter, Chris Roberts of Star Citizen carried on the public funding and said the more we get the more we don't have to reply on investors and make the game you want and the rest is history.

To try and get 30-40 million from a Kickstarter could take years.

Maybe its just me but kickstarter is about kickstarting projects, some are fully funded some are partially funding/gauging interest

 

[border]

I suspect that we will start to see more Kickstarter stuff like this as consumers become more immune to (or irritated by) extensive pre-order campaigns. "Give us your money now or this game might not ever exist!" gets certain people to really open up their wallets without questioning value.

 

[Cleve]

welcome to kickstarter you aren't buying shares , you gave them money. having sony involved is better assurance than 90% of KS campaigns out there, but hey , according to this thread they are the devil!

Also you get a game for your money so "gave them money" is somewhat debatable.

It's a shift in what kickstarter's original goals may have been, but it's definitely something I can get behind. It's the ability to actually vote with our wallets and maybe make an impact. I am still getting a game I want at a lower price than I would expect, it takes some risk away from sony (let's be honest, the game is a colossal risk, that's why it's sat in the can for years) and makes something maybe great for all of us.

If anyone that contributed is upset by the revelation that should have been blatantly obvious they can still cancel their contribution and there's no consequences.

If you see it as a ripoff you can sit it out, and just buy the game that is certain to see release now.

 

[hawk2025]

pls Gaf dont get this game cancelled because of your shitty pride or morals

This thing jumped increased in about 100 backers just in the time that it took you to type this.

Don't worry

 

[fantomena]

If I read "GAF complainers got Shenmue 3 cancelled because the approach didn't feel right" tommorrow I will blow up NeoGAF servers.

 

[renjworks]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

we need to cleanse this thread of unwarranted ignorance.

 

[wachie]

Oh...

Can't...
wait...
for...
the...
XB1...
Edition...
THEN!

I get this is the real reason for people being upset rather than the concern posts on the game's funding.

 

[Pez]

I really hate this "use a kickstarter to gauge interest" approach that's been going around.

If it gives us Bloodstained and Shenmue 3, you'll get over it.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Sony paid for their dinner

I THOUGHT I PAID FOR THEIR DINNER

HYPE GONE PRE ORDER CANCELLED I HATE ITALIAN FOOD

 

[Audioboxer]

Adam Boyes on this subject:

https://youtu.be/FRGlVDi3FHQ?t=1m40s

Thanks for this

 

[Jay RaR]

So kind of like the Bayonetta 2 situation huh?

And I'll get this for PC, thanks Sony!

 

[WildEagle18]

So now that Sony has proven there is enough interest in the game they're going to cancel the Kickstarter and let everyone keep their money right?

I back in $29 for a PS4 digital copy which is less than what I would have paid for when it's release. Why would I want my money back again? I rather they keep my $29 and I get my Shenmue 3 copy less than the retail price.

 

[Zombie James]

Adam Boyes on this subject:

https://youtu.be/FRGlVDi3FHQ?t=1m40s

Should be in the OP.

 

[Y2Kev]

I suspect that we will start to see more Kickstarter stuff like this as consumers become more immune to (or irritated by) extensive pre-order campaigns. "Give us your money now or this game might not ever exist!" gets certain people to really open up their wallets without questioning value.

I agree, it's a little worrisome. But not for shenmue 3, which has a 14 year track record of not getting greenlit. How many games/IPs can really say that? Really a very limited case IMO and one I feel ok about.

 

[Uno Venova]

I suspect that we will start to see more Kickstarter stuff like this as consumers become more immune to (or irritated by) extensive pre-order campaigns. "Give us your money now or this game might not ever exist!" gets certain people to really open up their wallets without questioning value.

Yeah the slippery slope notion that consumers are mindless drones who dump their money into any future campaign is noted. No one is buying it.

 

[test_account]

you're not really wrong on either account, I just have a more skeptical outlook. we're all just speculating in the end

Fair enough. Personally, i dont think there are any signs of any big changes, so i wouldnt worry about it

 

[xxracerxx]

Try telling this to the guys who tried to Kickstart a successor to Eternal Darkness, a game many people love and said they wanted a sequel/spiritual successor too.

They failed to raise even $100,000. Twice.

Words are cheap and Sony/Ys Net know this. The kickstarter is now an actual data point that they can take to their bean counters and say "Hey look at these records we just fucking broke overnight. We're totally contributing to this to get a PS4 version!" instead of empty promises from message boards.

I am popping back in to say this is an amazing post, yet people will just ignore it.

 

[Ithil]

I suspect that we will start to see more Kickstarter stuff like this as consumers become more immune to (or irritated by) extensive pre-order campaigns. "Give us your money now or this game might not ever exist!" gets certain people to really open up their wallets without questioning value.

Shenmue 3 is a very special and unique circumstance. You can't do this for just any old game.

 

[Erevador]

Adam Boyes on this subject:

https://youtu.be/FRGlVDi3FHQ?t=1m40s

This goes in the OP NOW.

 

[Krejlooc]

Sony paid for their dinner

I THOUGHT I PAID FOR THEIR DINNER

HYPE GONE PRE ORDER CANCELLED I HATE ITALIAN FOOD

I bet sony left a tip, too.

Those fucks.

 

[Omega]

Not necessarily, Sony has helped fund independent games that later on released on Xbox before. Like Joe Danger.

Joe Danger wasn't selling PS3s and didn't cost nearly as much to make?

Joe Danger probably could have been made with the Shenmue 3 kickstart goal.

 

[harSon]

I can't double check at the moment since I'm at work right now, but didn't Andrew House (?) proceed the announcement of Shenmue III with something around the lines of Sony not having any involvement with the project - and wanting to just do the Kickstarter/developers a solid by giving the Kickstarter exposure?

 

[Ralemont]

I suspect that we will start to see more Kickstarter stuff like this as consumers become more immune to (or irritated by) extensive pre-order campaigns. "Give us your money now or this game might not ever exist!" gets certain people to really open up their wallets without questioning value.

Slippery slope fallacy. Judge each case on its own merits. If Activision asks for a Kickstarter for Black Ops 4 you call bullshit and don't pledge (or you do since you were going to preorder the game anyway so who gives a shit).

I can't double check at the moment since I'm at work right now, but didn't Andrew House (?) proceed the announcement of Shenmue III with something around the lines of Sony not having any involvement with the project - and wanting to just do the Kickstarter/developers a solid by giving the Kickstarter exposure?

He said it was still Yu's game, IE Sony isn't the one calling the shots.

 

[Wavebossa]

Nope, it's ok to fully crowdfund a game, what it's not ok is crowdfund a game that already has a publisher with enough money to fund it themselves, that's when it crosses the line.

Based on.... ?

Crosses what line...?

What am I reading..? Nvm I have a quote for this

There is an inclination of some posters to try and dictate to others what imagined, self-defined purpose certain services have, and like hell are you going to go outside their parameters.

For example - Kickstarter is somehow only for small indies, and it can only be used if you have no funding anywhere else, and it has to be for special snowflake games, and only when your back is up against the wall, and only for the bare minimum you need.

Because they decided that's what kickstarter is, apparently.

 

[JesusSama]

I feel bad that this thread is my first ever here on GAF...

 

[a secret-boss]

Kickstarter was for the PC version
since this is backed by Sony I doubt there would have been a PC version

 

[raphier]

I've preordered PC games before.

which you've seen trailers for, a preview and you have an ability to cancel before release, here after 31 days all you can do is dream for years, the game is ambitious, it's not going to happen overnight. Hell, Pillars of Eternity had a year of dev and thats 2D game. Hell even investors get a better deal, so whatever

 

[gai_shain]

I don't understand how anyone can turn Shenmue 3 being greenlit as a negative thing. I really don't understand.

Some people just dont like the concept of kickstarter and with a big company behind the project now they obviously also dont like it.

Also just because it is a game they were waiting on forever doesnt just throw their concerns out of the window. While there are probably people in the thread that want to stirr things up so to say, there might be people that really have doubts. Telling those people "who cares we finally get shenmue 3 how can you have concerns" or stuff like that obviously also doesnt help.

Spoiler

Thats what I think atleast