The true Shenmue Experience.Really should have gotten better translators and planners...Now that I think about it this is what I expect from Shenmue.
Honestly im expecting Shenmue 3 to be a shorter digital only game (sans and special edition retail)
I did, and I'm out of here. Have fun belittling people
I really want to back the game as well, but I have never been a backer.
Does the money you donate toward the project taken out of your bank account right after you donate or when the funding date is passed?
When the funding date is passed
You can also modify the amount and your rewards up until the moment the project is funded as well.Thanks for the help! Definetly going for that $120 award!
There is nothing you have said that garnered that kind of response.
I've also questioned this whole thing and because of the way it was handled, I won't be putting my money in, even though I'm a Shenmue fan. It's my decision in the end. Is this concerned trolling? Apparently to some it is, waiting for the belittling and insults.
Krejlooc has been tossing insults and belittling people the past week since this announcement.
He's also a pretty horrible person if you take in his quotes:
This just doesn't make sense, as dreamcast fans went to Xbox and Xbox fans got both games, leets put a game out on kickstarter only for PC/PS4 fans. but whatever, I still get it on PC.
You are high if you think that Sony will spend 25-30 million marketing this game. It will be sent out to die with minimal marketing support from Sega or Sony. The game will sell maybe 750,000 units, end on a cliff hanger and you'll be left begging for a sequel for the next 10 years.
But I want all that extra stuff.
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To be fair, we don't know how a Shenmue game will sell on a successful platform. There were only a few million Dreamcasts out there by the time Shenmue was released worldwide. Shenmue II didn't even get a worldwide release on Dreamcast, and the console was on its last legs at that point anyways. And there were only about 5 million Xboxes sold by the time Shenmue II released on that console.
In contrast, there could be as many as 50 million PS4s sold by winter 2017.
I really don't think the lack of an Xbox One version is hurting things much at all. I bet the average Shenmue fan is about 25-35 years old, and can afford more than one console, or a gaming PC.
It's really disheartening seeing this smear campaign, and so-called fans backing out because of misreporting
Probably correct, but if nothing else, announcing it for Xbox One would have stopped Microsoft fans from actively attempting to sabotage the Kickstarter.
Shenmue should not be held hostage
I am so disappointed in both the apparent greed from one side and the worthless hating from the other. Y'all should be ashamed.
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Sadly, I feel such a stigma to this campaign and I almost want to pull out.
It's true
Polygon saw that it wasn't coming Xbox One and started spewing bullshit about "special funding" and "shady deals"
Guys don't give attention to the trolls.
Some people in this thread are here just for that sake.
We live in a world where fanboys are actually trying to sabotage a kickstarter campaign.
So, anyone think we'll reach most stretch goals before the campaign is done?
I wonder why they aren't banned yet.
Yeah, it's just sad & pathetic, especially by both Xbox fanboys & the gaming media.
Again, and this is the question I'll keep asking, why should Sony or Sega or, hell, anyone, foot the bill for a game that has LOST money on the two platforms it was previously on? The reason it didn't get made isn't because no one cared, it's because it didn't make money. You don't keep repeating the same thing and expect a different result, it had 2 (3, really) chances and it never worked. Providing limited support for a franchise they don't own, for a game that will lose money regardless of the KS, is more than anyone else has done for the franchise in the past 15 years.Eh, I don't think it's that confusing. I've been a huge Shenmue fan forever, I mean I'm one of the guys that bought it day 1 on dreamcast and bought the second game day one on Xbox, now we're essentially being told that I need to buy a PS4 if I want to play it on a console (which I would prefer), which would be one thing if it weren't a freaking kickstarter. The game is getting made, and now I've got to play it on my PC (not my preference for this type of game) or god forbid if I weren't a PC gamer as well. That doesn't sit well with me, even if Sony footed some of the bill - the vast majority is coming from us in the public, so I think it's understandable that people are a bit miffed.
As it is, I'm just not going to pledge. I'll play the game because I want to finish this thing out and I love the old games, but it feels like a bit of a gut punch for the console war to affect a franchise that SHOULD be platform agnostic, way beyond just timed exclusivity (which is bullshit but is not remotely as bad). Make no mistake, Sony doesn't 'care' about the game like some people are trying to pass off, if they had actual feelings about it they would just publish it themselves and make it the masterpiece it should be at that 10 million level. Instead they're riding the hype train from E3 while we fund the damn thing ourselves. They're not some grand saviors by any stretch, this game would have been kickstarted in some fashion whether Sony existed or not.
Again, and this is the question I'll keep asking, why should Sony or Sega or, hell, anyone, foot the bill for a game that has LOST money on the two platforms it was previously on? The reason it didn't get made isn't because no one cared, it's because it didn't make money. You don't keep repeating the same thing and expect a different result, it had 2 (3, really) chances and it never worked. Providing limited support for a franchise they don't own, for a game that will lose money regardless of the KS, is more than anyone else has done for the franchise in the past 15 years.
When was Shenmue ever platform agnostic. lol
I don't like Shenmue at all and I still backed it. I hope to support a game that will make many dreams come true.console wars
it's inevitable and unavoidable
you cant expect sony and ms fans to play nice with each other
this is serious business
Except for all the people ACTUALLY backing the game on the kickstarter...
I want Shenmue 3, but I'm not backing a game that isn't coming to a console I don't own. Period. I'm sure I'm not the only one in that exact boat, you don't have to like it but you can't fault that logic.
Eh, I don't think it's that confusing. I've been a huge Shenmue fan forever, I mean I'm one of the guys that bought it day 1 on dreamcast and bought the second game day one on Xbox, now we're essentially being told that I need to buy a PS4 if I want to play it on a console (which I would prefer), which would be one thing if it weren't a freaking kickstarter. The game is getting made, and now I've got to play it on my PC (not my preference for this type of game) or god forbid if I weren't a PC gamer as well. That doesn't sit well with me, even if Sony footed some of the bill - the vast majority is coming from us in the public, so I think it's understandable that people are a bit miffed.
As it is, I'm just not going to pledge. I'll play the game because I want to finish this thing out and I love the old games, but it feels like a bit of a gut punch for the console war to affect a franchise that SHOULD be platform agnostic, way beyond just timed exclusivity (which is bullshit but is not remotely as bad). Make no mistake, Sony doesn't 'care' about the game like some people are trying to pass off, if they had actual feelings about it they would just publish it themselves and make it the masterpiece it should be at that 10 million level. Instead they're riding the hype train from E3 while we fund the damn thing ourselves. They're not some grand saviors by any stretch, this game would have been kickstarted in some fashion whether Sony existed or not.
They're not some grand saviors by any stretch, this game would have been kickstarted in some fashion whether Sony existed or not.
When was Shenmue ever platform agnostic. lol
Exactly my point, i'm not going to and the reason is valid, as it is for everyone. As far as why I bring it up? Because you get so much shit in these threads like this:I can't fault it and can't say I disagree with it, but you already said PC was an option, you'd prefer to play it on a console you own, but you have a totally viable option in PC. I'd prefer to play Cuphead on my PS4, but that's not an option for me either and I don't even like playing games on PC, full stop. I'll deal with it.
I'm not going to pitchfork anyone, if you don't want to back it, you don't have to.
Why would Sony care about anything? It's not a person. There will be people inside Sony who don't care about the game in any other sense than a business one. There will be people who do care about the game because they are gamers. There will be those that sit somewhere on a spectrum between the two. The only thing that matters is that they are the only publisher who have done anything to support YS in bringing this game closer to reality.
For fans, the choice is simple: If you want Shenmue 3 to be as good as it can be, you need to pledge money. That is the simple fact. Two weeks ago, Shenmue was meme fodder - now it is happening. Support it or don't.
They're NOT taking a big risk though. It's a fucking kickstarter, are you serious?sony takes big risk on something no one touched for a decade and a half, expects a return of some kind, ruin everything
It took until crowd funding was big, make no mistake that it's only because of kickstarter that this is happening. Like I said, I GUARANTEE you that if Sony had said 'no' someone else would have said yes when it comes to barely spending any money upfront on a Shenmue kickstarter (which we know they did at this point).yet it took till 2015 and the building the list effort to make it happen, just like Yakuza 5
ya'll can't really be missing this. we barely got this, and without sony, there's zero chance.
Yeah, LMAO get that xbot bro.everyone who's followed it knows this, haha
So it went from an exclusive for one platform to another. And that's somehow being platform agnostic. SEGA didn't really start being a platform agnostic publisher until the previous generation of consoles.When Sega got out of the hardware business? If you want to be pedantic about it Sony and Nintendo are the only platforms it HASNT been on before, so why would it go there? but to put it much more simply, there is no expectation that Sony would go and foot the bill for a Sega series, and they still basically aren't - yet we're losing multiplat status because of their relatively insignificant influence.
I'm sorry but I'll be blunt. If you are not backing this, and especially are doing it because it's not on your [insert platform choice] you aren't really contributing anything to this campaign.Except for all the people ACTUALLY backing the game on the kickstarter...
I want Shenmue 3, but I'm not backing a game that isn't coming to a console I don't own. Period. I'm sure I'm not the only one in that exact boat, you don't have to like it but you can't fault that logic.
They're NOT taking a big risk though. It's a fucking kickstarter, are you serious?
It took until crowd funding was big, make no mistake that it's only because of kickstarter that this is happening. Like I said, I GUARANTEE you that if Sony had said 'no' someone else would have said yes when it comes to barely spending any money upfront on a Shenmue kickstarter (which we know they did at this point).
Yeah, LMAO get that xbot bro.
FOLLOWED WHAT? The game has come out on Dreamcast and Xbox, but the dreamcast releases were (obviously) before Sega was third party, and the xbox release was right after that, when Sega was releasing basically ALL of their Dreamcast style games on Xbox exclusively. Do you think anyone expected it would still just be an Xbox game because of that? I don't. Ergo, it is now in a place of platform agnosticism for the past nearly 15 years. Holy shit, stuff's hard to figure out. We've had no reason to believe it was tied to any platform until literally half a week ago.
I'm sorry but I'll be blunt. If you are not backing this, and especially are doing it because it's not on your [insert platform choice] you aren't really contributing anything to this campaign.
You can't then go around complaining about it at all. This is the only way this was happening, you either put up or shut up. Nobody, and especially Sony owes you or this game anything.
Also I don't like going into 'True Scotsman' sorts of arguments, but if you claim to be a fan, have access to a platform that can play this game then refuse to back this because console wars then well, I do question your motivation.
Of course in the end of the day it's your choice. Some games are not on some platforms for X-Y reasons. Deal with it. *shrug*
So it went from an exclusive for one platform to another. And that's somehow being platform agnostic. SEGA didn't really start being a platform agnostic publisher until the previous generation of consoles.
I'm sorry but I'll be blunt. If you are not backing this, and especially are doing it because it's not on your [insert platform choice] you aren't really contributing anything to this campaign.
You can't then go around complaining about it at all. This is the only way this was happening, you either put up or shut up. Nobody, and especially Sony owes you or this game anything.
Also I don't like going into 'True Scotsman' sorts of arguments, but if you claim to be a fan, have access to a platform that can play this game then refuse to back this because console wars then well, I do question your motivation.
Of course in the end of the day it's your choice. Some games are not on some platforms for X-Y reasons. Deal with it. *shrug*
No, I never said I was 'contributing' to the campaign, but you guys can't take the stance in every thread about the game that you need to either spend money on it or aren't allowed to speak about it. Fuck that nonsense. I'm not spending money on it and those are the reasons why. I get that it's not coming to platform X-Y, I am dealing with it, by not giving them any money. Lots of other people are doing the same, why does it upset you so much?
I'm not spending money for the right to complain, just like spending money doesn't give you the right to be holier than thou in all regards to Shenmue. If Yu Suzuki wanted my money he could've done things differently, he didn't and I'm fine with that, albeit disappointed.
No, by not spending money on this campaign you basically just forfeit your right to claim to be a fan of the series in my eyes. To me it tells me you care less about the fate of the game than the platform it's on. Again, if you aren't contributing that's fine. No-one is forcing you. You have every right to complain about it to. But you are contradicting yourself. So are you still getting the game at launch for PC yes? If so why not back at the $29 digital PC tier? Unless you aren't actually intending to buy it.No, I never said I was 'contributing' to the campaign, but you guys can't take the stance in every thread about the game that you need to either spend money on it or aren't allowed to speak about it. Fuck that nonsense. I'm not spending money on it and those are the reasons why. I get that it's not coming to platform X-Y, I am dealing with it, by not giving them any money. Lots of other people are doing the same, why does it upset you so much?
I'm not spending money for the right to complain, just like spending money doesn't give you the right to be holier than thou in all regards to Shenmue. If Yu Suzuki wanted my money he could've done things differently, he didn't and I'm fine with that, albeit disappointed.
Acting as though everyone that isn't supporting the game is doing some huge disservice to the gaming world, or that Sony is benevolent.
We have NO idea if Sony is the only studio that would have made this deal, for all we know it got pitched and accepted almost instantly, what we do know is they don't give enough of a shit to do anything beyond START a kickstarter that forces the fans to pay for most of the game -
I want Shenmue 3 to be as good as it can be.
I also want to play it on a console I own.
Since I cannot have both of those things, I'm not going to pledge money. If you want Xbox users like me to pledge money it would PROBABLY have made more sense for the game to be coming to the console (and that's a rhetorical statement, I understand that Sony is spending money on this in the here and now). It's not port begging or anything else, it's clearly not going anywhere but PS4 and PC for the forseable future, but you can't expect people to be happy about a game coming out for one platform and not the other when the platform holder is doing only the bare minimum amount of work in regards to funding. It's very easy to imagine a dozen other scenarios where the kickstarter was 'backed' by another publisher and came out to all systems.
This is the entire reason the 'backers are providing the majority of the funding' quote is so divisive, it makes it perfectly clear that Sony is not exactly a huge part of this deal monetarily.
Again, and this is the question I'll keep asking, why should Sony or Sega or, hell, anyone, foot the bill for a game that has LOST money on the two platforms it was previously on? The reason it didn't get made isn't because no one cared, it's because it didn't make money. You don't keep repeating the same thing and expect a different result, it had 2 (3, really) chances and it never worked. Providing limited support for a franchise they don't own, for a game that will lose money regardless of the KS, is more than anyone else has done for the franchise in the past 15 years.
Yeah, I can't comment on the rest but these posters are even putting ME off. Can we stop. Please.Also, I know a lot of people aren't going to listen to me, but just some advice here: get rid of that png poster from the OP [edit- "those png posters" since I'm seeing more than one now]. Keep discussing the game and it will naturally draw in more people interested in it. Those pngs looks like the damn Time Cube website, all it's doing is putting people off, you look like another bunch of internet crazies with a weird agenda.
No, by not spending money on this campaign you basically just forfeit your right to claim to be a fan of the series in my eyes. To me it tells me you care less about the fate of the game than the platform it's on
Another thing- do we know what's going on with the whole "open world" thing?? Does he mean it's going to become open world on the scale of the GTA games or it'll be the type of open world we saw in the previous Shenmue titles? Either way, the open world is what drew me to Shenmue in the first place, so if that experience is contingent on getting enough funding, then this game doesn't seem like something I'm going to enjoy.
Wow, I didn't see this thread until now. Yeah, I was under the impression that Sony was going to bankroll a lot of development funds. Now that I know it's mostly going to be KS funds, count me out. Make no mistake, the development here is going to be a massive undertaking and that's not worth the risk to me, it'll just lead to frustration later.
Also, I know a lot of people aren't going to listen to me, but just some advice here: get rid of that png poster from the OP [edit- "those png posters" since I'm seeing more than one now]. Keep discussing the game and it will naturally draw in more people interested in it. Those pngs looks like the damn Time Cube website, all it's doing is putting people off, you look like another bunch of internet crazies with a weird agenda.
Another thing- do we know what's going on with the whole "open world" thing?? Does he mean it's going to become open world on the scale of the GTA games or it'll be the type of open world we saw in the previous Shenmue titles? Either way, the open world is what drew me to Shenmue in the first place, so if that experience is contingent on getting enough funding, then this game doesn't seem like something I'm going to enjoy.
I personally dont support the kickstarter route this is taking solely for everything thats transpired over the past week but if its the only way the game can be made so be it.
I do not get what transpired over the past week beyond Fear Uncertainty and Despair... Honest question: what is putting you off this KS?
Does anyone know why Xbox One isn't targeted at all? Sony is footing the bill for the PS4 port but is there any reason why the XB1 version isn't at the very least a stretch goal? It seems like a straightforward way of drawing in more pledges. Hell, throw in WiiU in there too!
they are providing less than the $2 million kickstarter goal
What? That can't be true.
isn't suzuki publishing? why raise the costs of a niche project higher for companies not interested in seeing this project happen?
Fear uncertainty and despair would be my guess!I do not get what transpired over the past week beyond Fear Uncertainty and Despair... Honest question: what is putting you off this KS?
I can understand your concerns. I would still suggest that you keep your pledge until right before the end if they don't address your concerns. From what I understand external backing will probably step in so you should be quite safe from the game running out of money and they will probably find a way to otherwise finance it as happened with other big KS.Wow, I didn't see this thread until now. Yeah, I was under the impression that Sony was going to bankroll a lot of development funds. Now that I know it's mostly going to be KS funds, count me out. Make no mistake, the development here is going to be a massive undertaking and that's not worth the risk to me, it'll just lead to frustration later.
Tbh I think people just expect it, gamers want to be catered too. You look on the other side of the fence and you see Nintendo funding things like W101, Bayo 2, and Devils Third and then you look at Sony and they cant even pony up 10mil to fund Shenmue 3 which is infinitely more popular than the other 3 games(well maybe not Bayo but im not sure). People see these companies as huge money pools and just question "its only 10 million why not?" "If Nintendo and Microsoft can pay for their exclusives why cant Sony?" etc. etc.
Its interesting to see though, cause with the games like W101, Bayo 2, and Devils Third or well pretty much any WiiU game the story was/is always "its going to bomb, it'll never make money being a Nintendo exclusive" yet Nintendo funded them anyway and here Shenmue is "it lost money why would they want to fund it." Not saying that its wrong though as the logic is sound, no one wants to waste money. But again people will just see these companies as giants with money to spend.
I personally dont support the kickstarter route this is taking solely for everything thats transpired over the past week but if its the only way the game can be made so be it.
I'm not talking about raising costs. Set the XB1 and even WiiU version as a stretch goal...
Sony should just back this fully and make sure this is the final chapter. I don't think it would be fair to release a minimal sequel and then not have the support for further instalments. Just finish off the story yu!
/sorry, I couldn't help myself. But be real, XBONE/WiiU is obviously impossible, why would Sony throw money at a game could end up on their competitor's console??