I think so. There are sometimes show rules we have to follow. Doing tech rehearsal right now. At a cinematic 24fps.
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DF: Can Halo 5 deliver on its 60fps promise?
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I think so. There are sometimes show rules we have to follow. Doing tech rehearsal right now. At a cinematic 24fps.
LegalEagleMike
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The Order black bars confirmed for Halo 5.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
1080p or 900p? Locked 24 fps? Cinematic - you mean you're going to add black bars?
And what will it take. 800 x800 res? lol
Captain Tuttle
Member
Nah, it's parody, like Sony Defense Force back in the day.
They tend to pull in fanboys of both sides though.
Don't forget to overuse Chromatic Aberration, it makes it more cinematic.
Jessie.Bristol
Member
Oh God, you're killing me. But please though, if the panel isn't live streamed then try and get it out ASAP afterward
. Really interested in what gets shown or announced.Poodlestrike
Banned
Hey, the talk about the requirements for 60fps raises an interesting question (at least, interesting to me). How does dynamic resolution scaling alter that particular conversation? Typically, you need to hit more than 60 (not sure) to accommodate for larger-than-usual framebuffer loads, but the is there the potential for dynamic res to keep effectively framebuffer size effectively constant, thus increasingly the likelihood (and increasing the ease) of a rock-solid 60?
Or do I actually not know what any of those words mean and am creating an increasingly complex breed of word salad?
Or do I actually not know what any of those words mean and am creating an increasingly complex breed of word salad?
I wish that people would leave out the PC talk when we're discussing about consoles in terms of graphical differences, etc.
"Who cares, PC is more stronger than PS4 & Xbox One are!", etc.
We all know that PC is more powerful than consoles are; It's nothing new.
Outrun
Member
Can you add some graininess so we can enjoy a more filmic experience?
Can we hope to see the Master Chief in action between now and the release date?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Can you add some graininess so we can enjoy a more filmic experience?
Can we hope to see the Master Chief in action between now and the release date?
Don't worry, sub 1080p bouncing all over the place will look plenty "grainy" or is it "muddy", "vasoline"?
Can't keep up with the terms anymore.
Just like a ps4 is more powerful than a xbo. It is the same principle. Why stop one without stopping the other?
We should stop comparing the PS4 with Xbox One at this point. It's just foolhardy and leads nowhere but towards fanboyism and flame wars. The PS4 is the stronger console with the superior hardware. Xbox One will always struggle, at best achieving parity or maybe do a few things better if it's lead platform and utilizes the miniscule bump in cpu.
But comparing what shooters can do on PS4 and then what Halo 5 can do on Xbox One gets nowhere.
It will never stop though. Just like the "But why not just choose PC. It's better" will never stop either. Just gotta ignore it.
OT: The beta was good so I can only assume it would get better. As long as the campaign is solid I won't complain (still bummed about split screen though).
Oh God, you're killing me. But please though, if the panel isn't live streamed then try and get it out ASAP afterward
Honestly no major items 'cept maybe for deep canon fans. Plenty more year to go.
Noticed Kiki is now mentioned as Studio Head Halo Entertainment as opposed to executive producer or whatnot. Internal promotion? Is she the go to person to pester about movie/show/vidoc/entertainment related stuff ie. Spielberg live action series now?
Captain Zyrain
Member
Now you're speaking my language.. "deep canon" sounds naughty in all the right ways.
What was that?! Sorry #SDCC drinks already kicking in.
When is it not?
Jessie.Bristol
Member
I am always interested in more story for Halo, I am not just a MP guy
. About 3 and a half months until launch. Very excited!visiblemode
Member
Yeah, my classic device to describe this is two people are talking at a party about the merits of the Honda Accord vs the Toyota Camry and someone interupts them with a finger held up in the air saying "you guys are idiots! If you cared at all about car features you'd buy a Ferrari!"
Steve Youngblood
Member
I think this can be apt. But it depends on the conversation. Mind you, I understand that the PC platform isn't for everyone and that some just want the lower barriers to entry in price and convenience that consoles facilitate. And that's fine. And when someone prefers to stick with consoles, I don't think it's unfair to care about trying to get the most bang for one's buck in terms of technical specs. You know, pretend that I don't have strong feelings about Sony's or MS's first party offerings and I just want the best machine for playing Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed every year. For that customer, there's nothing wrong with having an interest in seeing these two versions face off.
But I do think it's hard to tell some times whether or not people are legitimately interested in objective comparisons between versions out of a reasonable desire for the best graphics they can get their hands on and are more interested in their machine "winning" some stupid pissing match. And if someone is coming across as spiking the football because their favorite hardware is clearly in Beastmode because of a marginally better resolution and/or framerate, I don't think it's unfair for someone else to come in and say "you know, if you really care as much about hardware as you seem to be letting on here given what a big deal you're making about minor differences between the console versions, it's worth noting -- depending on how much money you're willing to spend -- PC hardware isn't going to stop improving over the consoles."
Sure, this can be done obnoxiously. Even if there isn't one platform holder driving PC loyalty like the console players, I won't deny that PC fanboys do exist. But I do think that kind of superiority can be contextually appropriate if the conversation is inherently about tech superiority.
justsomeguy
Member
Edit: Ignore, not that relevant or accurate
His point was to add context, not to say that PC is better. Read in between the lines.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
Because most console gamers arent interested in pc gaming. So they want to compare console to console. Pc's arent consoles so they arent interested.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Then perhaps you should have a word with your fellows and suggest that lolling and shitting on Sony games /The Order in a Halo thread is not really helping.
Who are my fellows? What the fuck are you talking about? I said that tech comparisons between the consoles are useless because one is the superior hardware and easily wins 99% of the time.
Again, who are my fellows? Halo fans? Did you just come into the thread and contribute to the very fanboy and console wars shit I called out? If you have an issue with the 'lolling and shitting' on Sony games or The Order, take it up with the people doing it. I'm not a moderator.
killatopak
Member
This is as likely as Uncharted 4 going 60fps too. Which isn't likely.
Just go 1080p 30fps on campaign and 60fps on multi.
Just go 1080p 30fps on campaign and 60fps on multi.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
Well first of all it's Biker you are responding to.
I have confidence Halo 5 will look very good, of course 60 fps will reduce some things it could have added, maybe higher resolution, better effects and lighting. But thankfully I can stand worse graphics too, I take any game for what it is and enjoy it if gameplay and/or story works. Awesome graphics are just plus for me.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Goodness! I thought you were moderating the thread for us! Oh well.
VincentMatts
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NX Gamer's analysis of the beta from last year shows the game already running at 60fps and it could only improve from there. A year of optimization and they won't be able to get it to at least 900p?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ2odi_SFBs
Honestly, i feel bad about that comment. I know 343 is doing their best. It cant be easy to deliver on something when expectations are consistently so high.
NX Gamer's analysis of the beta from last year shows the game already running at 60fps and it could only improve from there. A year of optimization and they won't be able to get it to at least 900p?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ2odi_SFBs
Damn, I need to play this again.
The Baron Count
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SEGAvangelist
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LordOfChaos
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I think the "memory is better than reality" effect is in full swing here, in some people at least, if not specifically you. Halo 4 looked good, but the difference in per-material lighting and such is pretty apparent to me in 5. Not saying it's night and day, but it's noticeable. Especially in motion rather than pictures. Then you also need twice the GPU grunt to go from 30 to 60fps, and at a mostly higher resolution, that 7x GPU advantage (using only the roughest ballparks) gets chipped away at quickly.
Part of me does however wonder what kind of visuals we'd see if 30fps/720p were stuck to...It would probably be a marketing headache, but they'd open up a lot more of the GPUs power for making things look good. And I do wish they managed better antialiasing, if one thing changes by the final release, that would be nice.
By the way, when is the next Sprint episode?
The Baron Count
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I want to know this too, The Sprint has been great.
Final Verdict
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They will probably do one last one before launch.
TheSpecialOne
Banned
Hahaha, wow some new gaf beef.
That's pure ham.
DeepEnigma
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CreateNowSleepLater
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They made serious concessions to bring this to light. Many of which some disagree with. If it's not 1080p/60fps then it will disappoint many.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
This is what I find weird. The footage I've seen thus far doesn't look very far removed from Halo 4 and Sabre Interactive managed to port that at 1080/little unstable 60.
I find it a little bemusing that 343 themselves will most likely not be able to get a similar result from similar assets. Again, I can only judge on what I've seen thus far. Does it look better than Halo 4? Yes. Does it look sooooooo much better that 1080/60 seems so unattainable? Not really.
Well Halo 4 was essentially an end of gen title whereas Halo 5 is the first of the gen. People felt the same about Halo 3 saying it doesn't look too much better than Halo 2 and yet when the game launched, sure it wasn't the prettiest or best game overall, but it absolutely took a dump on Halo 2 in a lot of areas.
I feel Halo 5 will be the same. Remember, with Halo 4 you had a 720p/20-25 fps campaign. Here, the goal is 60fps first, so visual fidelity isn't the be all end all goal first. They could've gone the Destiny route, aimed for 1080p and 30fps or lower and they would've wowed people more, but it's more about making the game play feel better.
Halo 4 had some glaring issues that I've seen are easily rectified with Halo 5. Can't wait till we see more campaign footage, especially when see more daytime scenes, see the improved lighting, textures, character models.
Have you played the beta? It looks like a big step up.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
But that's my point. If an external studio can get 1080/60 on Halo 4, then id be surprised if 343 cant at least get to 900/60 with a "similar" looking game.
Yeah I played the beta. I wouldn't say a BIG step up. I think you underrate how good Halo 4 actually looks. Halo 4 MCC could comfortably pass for a next gen launch title.
So glad I'm not a game developer in this day and age. Must be so gutting seeing something you are putting your heart and soul into get ripped apart well before you have even launched.
Threads about res/fps based on an E3 demo get more attention than threads about actual new and exciting gameplay features such as warzone.
Threads about res/fps based on an E3 demo get more attention than threads about actual new and exciting gameplay features such as warzone.