Well maybe I'm reaching here but it struck me when I looked at it that it seemed to bear a resemblance to that type of pose I posted. It's certainly not as brazen as anything we see for female characters though, I agree. And, though it's true that the same type of things are not attractive to both men and women, when it comes to depictions of the human body many techniques could likely apply across both genders to achieve a desired effect.
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Is HOT RYU the most significant event in videogame history?
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Well maybe I'm reaching here but it struck me when I looked at it that it seemed to bear a resemblance to that type of pose I posted. It's certainly not as brazen as anything we see for female characters though, I agree. And, though it's true that the same type of things are not attractive to both men and women, when it comes to depictions of the human body many techniques could likely apply across both genders to achieve a desired effect.
Hoya Destroyer
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Wow. Hot Ryu has taken Gaf by storm. Us straight guys will need a topless Mika alt to even things out 
AyaisMUsikWhore
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You sound concerned. Maybe laugh a little and you would probably understand. Everything isn't so serious.
Wow. Hot Ryu has taken Gaf by storm. Us straight guys will need a topless Mika alt to even things out
gonna take a lot more hunks before straight dudes have to think about 'evening things out'
Monocle
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Aww yeah... There are some really hot cosplayers out there. I for one approve of this.
Wow. Hot Ryu has taken Gaf by storm. Us straight guys will need a topless Mika alt to even things out
Straight guy here.
Hot Ryu > Mika's outfit.
Wow. Hot Ryu has taken Gaf by storm. Us straight guys will need a topless Mika alt to even things out
You're such a pig.
Who says you straight guys get to exclusively claim her? There are some girls who would enjoy that as well.
sixteen-bit
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Wow. Hot Ryu has taken Gaf by storm. Us straight guys will need a topless Mika alt to even things out
If DOA5LR is anything to go by, modders of the PC release will have ur back like 12 hours after launch
Spikematic
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Haha, this thread is awesome. That look is totally awesome on him though. I can see why so many people are turned on by it.
If we're going by DOA5; at least there's likely to be mods of a similar nature for the male characters 18 hours after launch. The dedication to equality is admirable, but they do lose something without the appropriate physics...
this has to be a prank and i'm falling into a trap.
There is no equal fanservice. most media is made for the male gaze and viewership, with women being an afterthought much of the time. Anything where a dude is muscular and ripped, is often just a tool to excercise our male power fantasies, as they still have agency at the end of the day, and them being half naked doesn't perpetuate the same stereotypes/negative societal perceptions that a nude/ bent over/stripped female does. Objectification is highlighted as a ridiculous concept period, and trying to make an equal part to cater to women seems to be missing the point of why a lot of them have to point out how entitled it is.
Bearded Ryu is Chuck Norris, is Rambo, is whatever driving medium in which we get our fix for psychological machismo badassery. Funny enough, he is looking more westernized and less Japanese with each passing title.
I think you were joking and i fell for it. Hard.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Wow. Hot Ryu has taken Gaf by storm. Us straight guys will need a topless Mika alt to even things out
Topless? She already leaves a lot out for the imagination lol. If Rika goes topless then I need much more than some breaded daddy tbh
Nah, he's just hot. Hot Ryu isn't any more of a power fantasy than regular Ryu, that makes no sense. He just looks hotter.
And all the fanservice you can get by pausing things at the right angle without mods.
Imagine some of those with mods...
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The Lone Dragon
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"Male gaze"? Now, there's a term we haven't seen discussed at least 300 times in this 25 page topic.
Thanks for coming in here and introducing us to a new buzz word. I'm sure everyone's opinion will now change.
IMPOSSIBLE. Wimmin hate berbs.
I had no idea DOA already had these characters. Then there really is absolutely no reason not to have them in the beach thingie. I assumed they didn't have any male charactes, and would have to create new ones in order to have males in that game, but they already do, so why the hell not?
If my memory is correct there are 14 male characters in DOA5. The big deal with them wanting to keep DOAX with the female characters is just for the regular pandering. They could add options in the game to filter things out instead of not including the male characters. Which in that way everyone wins and gets what they want by filtering the content they dont want.
No, he's just attractive. For anyone who wasn't around for the 80s or ealry 90s, I really doubt that guys like Rambo are a power fantasy. They show up in comic books and... that's pretty much it. Ryu's just attractive (it's the beard), as seen by the majority of people in this thread.
Barrylocke
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Yup, Dead or Alive has always had a nice cast of men, but they quickly capatalized on showcasing their leading ladies and that's what they're known for now. It's pretty telling that some people don't know that you could even play as a guy in DoA.
my using a term to further a point detracts from the point..how?
it is somewhat odd how whenever something like this is stated, we go into fallacy of black and white, or to these extremes.
both men and women like to look at other men and women, of course, but objectifying in and of itself is something that dehumanizes and validates unfortunate stereotypes and perceptions of others, whether you think you're ultimately affected or not. There have been a wealth of well researched books on the matter. I'm not calling you a bad person for being in a society where the male gaze is a thing, so feeling personally attacked is detracting from what i'm saying here. When people, regardless of sex are objectified, nobody wins. Laugh and yell "SJW" all you want, i won't stop you at all, but we lose nothing.
back to Hot Ryu. He has agency. There are no negative societal paradigms that stop one from viewing him as an individual with agency and autonomy. Thus, as much as we'd like to think that this would ever be an equivalent to female objectification, it isn't and will never be. Does he look cool? Hell yeah. I'm gunna lose online whilst playing as him multiple times. Will people find him attractive wether that's the intent or no? Of course, as is their right. Will he ever be called any negative term associated with objectified women, though, or be deemed less of a person because he is shirtless? Nah. We feel entitled to have bouncing breasts,bikini scenes in movies, and fanservice when it just harms our views on those we make objects. This all sounds boring, i'm sure, but it's important to critically think about.
Part of my point,though. The beard may cater to a certain perception of what a powerful man may look like, but he is still ultimately a muscular, fireball weilding badass who makes boys and men feel powerful. He is still part of that fantasy whether you give him a beard, more powers, machine gun arms, or whatever interchangeable thing of power.
If they insist on using that paid polling system, a filter could also help with the inevitably abhorrent results.
It is a fairly key oversight. Like you said, it's not because the male cast isn't there -
(the last costume never appeared in Virtua Fighter, it counts)
- they're just really not doing a good job of marketing that, or regularly producing content for them. DOA could be much less niche than it is now if they took a few steps further towards evening things out.
EDIT: Shamefully beaten.
It doesn't detract from your point at all, it just serves as a way for him to dismiss your opinion.
You make excellent points, but instead of actual discourse you're going to see a lot of
from that crowd.
What? The whole point of Rambo is a male power fantasy.
The last one looks the best to me by far. I suppose my reaction to men in their underwear (kinda) with no bulge is equivalent to that article that said that no boob jiggle was just as awkward to women as ridiculous moon tits jiggle.
Not that I'm saying they should go all out with bulges and dick jiggles, that could possibly be too awkward for most players (just like it would if Cammy's costume showed as much detail as it should down there when you consider how tight it is), but instead maybe focus on stuff like body hair? Hot Ryu could use some chest hair and some hair below his belly button.
I think there could be some bulge and some small jiggle but it needs to be really subtle instead of being like this.
Also the bulge could have no movement but the point would be for a bit more accuracy with the male body features instead of looking ken dolls.
Also yes body hair on some characters would be nice.
Body hair and the merest suggestion of a bulge would help enormously, not just for creating characters that are meant to be attractive, but just general verisimilitude. The universally-smooth, blank-crotched mannequin is far more common than it should. Even MGS2 tried to avoid that.
I do want at least one series to become known for its bulge jiggle physics, though.
I think there could be some bulge and some small jiggle but it needs to be really subtle instead of being like this.
Also the bulge could have no movement but the point would be for a bit more accuracy with the male body features instead of looking ken dolls.
Also yes body hair on some characters would be nice.
I guess when you get over the fact that there should be something there, the costume still helps showing more of their bodies, so it still makes sense, but yeah, there should be something. At least in those costumes.
Oh yeah, I'd play a game full of insane bulge physics, but I feel like it would be much more funny than sexy, so it depends on what they're going for.
I mean that, for people in their early 20s and down, that's not a male power fantasy. Growing up in the 2000s, big muscled men like Rambo weren't all that common in media outside of comic books and wrestling. When they did show up they were rarely ever that important, cool, interesting... Factor in how much the sudden popularity of things like anime in the mid 2000s (with it's total absence of strongmen) and it's impact, and there wasn't really room for that type of character. When I think of characters like Rambo, I think "born in the 80s; died in the 90s." If it wasn't for the history behind those characters, kids I knew growing up would sooner call them gay than cool. Even the grade school kids I tutor aren't really into it.
This is all anecdotal though, so...
I like Chun's outfit by itself, but I feel like it suffers a bit from the more accurate physics this game has. It looked better in SF IV because it didn't completely fold into her thighs. The fabric behaves as it should in SF V, but it ends up working against the costume's design.
Cammy is great though.
The Lone Dragon
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No, I'm saying that you're several days late to the party.
I remarking on the fact that what you've said has been said and discussed a million times already in this very thread.
Nope. Read what I said above.
You aren't introducing anything new to this thread that hasn't already been argued over and over again. Part of the reason this thread is so huge is because people don't read it.
QisTopTier
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IDK I always found it tasteless when guys do the same thing. Basically shouting out I WANT TO FUCK SUCH AND SUCH is tasteless regardless. For example whenever someone post that watermelon eating gif in a topic relating to a female.
Why can't a sentence end at he's hot at most describing what you find hot about him, why does it have to go all the way to DAMN I'D LET HIM SLAM ME UP AGAINST A WALL.
It's like the dudes in the fucking R.Mika thread saying YO THESE GIFS IM GONNA GO BEAT MY MEAT. Like seriously wtf? Does the world really need to fucking know that?
Or maybe I'm the weird one here, shrug.
The twist: By not being weird like the rest of us, you become the weird one.
Kind of a shame and funny how a point like "objectification is problematic and we should not strive for it" is "adding nothing new" in a thread to which it is relevant. This argument seems like it is standing on wilted stilts. It contributes to the discussion and provides a more introspective look, but somehow it's annoying to look at, yet the multiple posts about jiggle and dangle physics are ok to let fly by you. It still only detracts from the points I and the people before me are making, which only showcases why these points need to be made over and over again, i guess, because there will always be people to try and detract from them in some way. "women hate berbs" is exemplary of that.
I'd highly, highly beg to differ. It is one of these multiple representations of male power fantasies which still permeate our culture today. Many popular comic book and media characters are well based on the Rambo macho archetype, even if that doesn't seem to be the case for you. The young demographic may like their power fantasies svelte and more sleek, but in no way would a machine-gun toting, ripped,'manly", ready-to kill Rambo be unwelcome in today's media. There are a million and one examples of this type excluding wrestling,comic books, films where they've traded in him for younger models, etc. I respect that you realize your perception was anecdotal. That is a notable asterisk.
Many thanks to this guy for stating something very important. It is difficult to "sexualize and objectify' what us men use as a societal norm to live out as a power fantasy, where we are still the subjects and not the objects of desire/trophies. It is not the same, nor should we even want to strive to objectify both men and women. People thinking that responding to bikini armour with banana hammocks somehow fixes the many problems that come with objectification are missing a large point. It is baffling why people think that is a good solution.
The Lone Dragon
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But, it literally IS adding nothing new. I'm not just saying that to dismiss the fundamental argument. The argument has ALREADY been made many times.
The tone of your post was what caught my attention, to be honest. "This has to be a prank and i'm falling into a trap." Of course that's going to elicit a response.
Like I said, a million and one "male gaze" arguments have been already made, and I don't respond to 99% of them.
I think what she really needs is a beardWow. Hot Ryu has taken Gaf by storm. Us straight guys will need a topless Mika alt to even things out
Wow. Hot Ryu has taken Gaf by storm. Us straight guys will need a topless Mika alt to even things out
Heh.
Honestly though, heres what would actually even it out.
Hot ryu impossibly vacuum formed skin tight thong spandex, crisply outlining the shaft, and each individual, cartoonishly swollen testicle, the sides of which bulge a little outside the outfit, all of which is animated independantly, flopping and jiggling and bouncing, and helicoptering with each move and impact.
Lets get that petition started.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Dicks are not = to tits.
Rentahamster
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The internet, by nature, encourages hyperbolic expressions of many feelings regarding various topics like food (ZOMG BACON), music (FOO FIGHTERS SUX), movies (GOTG IS THE BEST MOVIE IN THE MULTIVERSE), and sexual attraction (IMMA CREAMPIE YOUR ELBOW JOINT, GRILL!).
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It's mine.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Of course, how foolish of me, they can draw pictures in the snow.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'll be in my bunk.
Hours Left
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Hours Left
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Street Fighter III actually had its fair amount of overt male sexualization. Alex, Gill, Dudley, Urien and even Remy strike some pretty beefcakesque poses.
there it goes
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