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SPOILER ALERT: Halo 5 (Spoiler) Spoiler Thread of Spoilers Spoiler

Lol Chief has always been bland mcgenericdude in the games...

Chiefs personality isn't what makes halo games fun... It's the gameplay...that's why fans keep forgiving all the bullshit...

He's a bland dude in the same way John McClane is a bland dude. He made funny one-liners and didn't afraid of anything. Locke just seems to do literally nothing of note other than that he's trying to capture a character people actually care about, he's another case of "original character do not steal", just like Palmer in my mind.
 

NoBL3Z

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Vire

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One time like 11 years ago the Arbiter was this weird alien dude no one wanted to play as and now he's the best halo character.
This would be a valid point if we didn't see Halo Nightfall and already know that Locke is lame mclame face.
 
Okay, again: outside of loadout equipment, differences between characters are cosmetic in the first place - and from a lore perspective, it's entirely possible to shape the story around a character without them being playable front and center the entire time. Not to mention the levels seem pretty consistent with regards to quality regardless of who's playable, so it's not even like it's an Arbiter situation where Locke levels are plain unfun.

Chief's also pushing 50, has gone on over 200 missions, over 100 of which are campaigns, and he's not getting any younger. Due to demand I honestly totally expect a spinoff featuring past Blue Team missions at a later date, but as far as pushing the present-day story forward I think it's only fair that Chief eventually gets some time off. His legacy is going to shape the environment much more than he is at this point.
Sure. Everything your saying is true but this seems to come down to personal feelings of the person playing this game. I don't think anyone is expecting Locke's missions to suck but some people find him uninteresting compared to blue team and chief. You may not and that's fine but not everyone is happy with this. Does the Halo franchise need change in its main character, maybe but from what I've seen the halo fanbase doesn't think its Locke.
 
Sure. Everything your saying is true but this seems to come down to personal feelings of the person playing this game. I don't think anyone is expecting Locke's missions to suck but some people find him uninteresting compared to blue team and chief. You may not and that's fine but not everyone is happy with this. Does the Halo franchise need change in its main character, maybe but from what I've seen the halo fanbase doesn't think its Locke.

lol, so basically your argument is "you may be factually correct, but halo fans aren't emotionally equipped to deal with change as a threat"
 
So this turned from the spoiler thread to Hyperbole: The Thread?

Good work, GAF. You at least get points for consistency.

OT: If that blue cryptum isn't Iso-Didact or the Librarian I'll be surprised.
 

Fracas

#fuckonami
As long as Locke's a cool character, I don't really mind how many missions are his. I'd imagine gameplay is identical to Chief's, too.
 
Why are you guys still using spoiler tags in this thread? Seriously. It's a pain to have to click on a bunch of white bars.

So, finally we have Cortana truly rampant it seems? Sweet.
 

Vire

Member
So this turned from the spoiler thread to Hyperbole: The Thread?

Good work, GAF. You at least get points for consistency.
I think it's pretty great actually, we are only getting half the facts and then we get to speculate and jump to all sorts of insanely stupid conclusions.

Basically why forums were invented.
 
"locke is such a hardass boring character"
*is an analog to master "I had like six lines in the original trilogy" chief*

This is why I laugh every time someone says Locke is a boring character. Well if he's so boring then I can't exactly see why anyone even bothers to given Chief the time of day. All his character consists of is cheesy one liners while acting like a stoic hardass.
 

stephen08

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Is there somewhere I can watch a video of the campaign missions? Preferably one continuous series with no added commentary.
 
Speaking of differences between Blue team and Osiris, I would have expected Blue team to be less chatty than Osiris and to communicate either through hand signals or HUD beeps, like in the books.
 
This is why I laugh every time someone says Locke is a boring character. Well if he's so boring then I can't exactly see why anyone even bothers to given Chief the time of day. All his character consists of is cheesy one liners while acting like a stoic hardass.

Or... maybe, if Chief is so boring, why the hell do we need another boring ass character to take up 12 out of the 15 missions?
 

Mooreberg

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Is there some very obvious plot point that should be known ahead of time beyond the fact that the villain from Halo 4 died later on in a comic book instead of at the end of the game? I only stumbled across that fact a few weeks ago. It is starting to seem like not keeping up with books/comics/miniseries leaves you out of the loop.
 

NoBL3Z

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So this turned from the spoiler thread to Hyperbole: The Thread?

Good work, GAF. You at least get points for consistency.

OT: If that blue cryptum isn't Iso-Didact or the Librarian I'll be surprised.

Some speculated a physical Cortana or Chant Green (Librarian's Lifeworker)
 
As long as Locke's a cool character, I don't really mind how many missions are his. I'd imagine gameplay is identical to Chief's, too.

Ditto. As long as the story is good, too, I don't mind who has what amount of "screen time". Halo is full of a variety of characters and stories, a lot of which are great.
 
A spoiler thread where there are no spoilers, spoiler tags, and people hinting spoilers but wont spoil?

what the fuck am i reading gaf?
 

NoBL3Z

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Is there some very obvious plot point that should be known ahead of time beyond the fact that the villain from Halo 4 died later on in a comic book instead of at the end of the game? I only stumbled across that fact a few weeks ago. It is starting to seem like not keeping up with books/comics/miniseries leaves you out of the loop.

I don't even think he actually "died" per say. Some think he's still alive somehow.
 

Flipyap

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"locke is such a hardass boring character"
*is an analog to master "I had like six lines in the original trilogy" chief*
Bungie's Master Chief wasn't "hardass" at all. He was actually kind of an adorable simpleton.

This is why I laugh every time someone says Locke is a boring character. Well if he's so boring then I can't exactly see why anyone even bothers to given Chief the time of day.
Because while he may be boring, he at least has goals the players sympathize with. The main issue with Locke is that 343 is basically asking the player to roleplay a character on a mission they'd rather sabotage than carry out.
Plus, Locke already made an fairly awful first impression in Nightfall.

The only thing Locke has going for him right now is that he's ridiculously good looking.
 
Weird how people harp on Locke's "lack of character" when we've been following MC around for how many years for him to finally have some depth and emotion added to his persona in Halo 4.

I don't even think he actually "died" per say. Some think he's still alive somehow.

There's no definitive proof of him dying. He could have very well been composed in some fashion. The comic book left it so it could be either his final act or he could be reused later.
 
Or... maybe, if Chief is so boring, why the hell do we need another boring ass character to take up 12 out of the 15 missions?

Locke isn't boring, though. Nightfall Locke might be, but Spartan Locke is just professional and restrained. Based on the cutscenes of the first few missions he understands just how important his role as the leader of Osiris is, and there's a clear sense of acuity and rationality in all of his responses - note how much he pauses when he gives answers. He's also got the weight of ONI knowledge on his shoulders, and while he's not entirely unhinged, mind you, you can clearly tell he's become a different man after working for ONI for so long.

His fighting style is also basically the coolest out of any of the Spartans we've seen in the games. It's hard to see, but the first time he stabs Jul is when he thrusts under his sword, and then he's got the two following. Probably worth clarifying: Locke managed to down the supreme leader of the Covenant remnant so quickly because he stabbed Jul in both of his hearts before getting him in the jugular. There probably should have been a lot more blood in that scene, but it explains why Jul dropped dead almost immediately.
 

NoBL3Z

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Weird how people harp on Locke's "lack of character" when we've been following MC around for how many years for him to finally have some depth and emotion added to his persona in Halo 4.



There's no definitive proof of him dying. He could have very well been composed in some fashion. The comic book left it so it could be either his final act or he could be reused later.

I know, that's what I was telling the other user. And even if he was composed, isn't it possible for him to teleport to another location similar to Halo 4.
 
Looks like the hype has started to collapse under its own weight.

Havent played it obviously but I'll reserve my opinion on it until I actually complete it.
 
Bungie's Master Chief wasn't "hardass" at all. He was actually kind of an adorable simpleton.


Because while he may be boring, he at least has goals the players sympathize with. The main issue with Locke is that 343 is basically asking the player to roleplay a character on a mission they'd rather sabotage than carry out.
Plus, Locke already made an fairly awful first impression in Nightfall.

The only thing Locke has going for him right now is that he's ridiculously good looking.

He does? That's news to me because I certainly don't sympathize with anything about him other than the fact that he was abducted at age 6, which was his past. Certainly not a goal, much less one that's worth sympathizing with.
 
Locke isn't boring, though. Nightfall Locke might be, but Spartan Locke is just professional and restrained. Based on the cutscenes of the first few missions he understands just how important his role as the leader of Osiris is, and there's a clear sense of acuity and rationality in all of his responses - note how much he pauses when he gives answers. He's also got the weight of ONI knowledge on his shoulders, and while he's not entirely unhinged, mind you, you can clearly tell he's become a different man after working for ONI for so long.

His fighting style is also basically the coolest out of any of the Spartans we've seen in the games. It's hard to see, but the first time he stabs Jul is when he thrusts under his sword, and then he's got the two following. Probably worth clarifying: Locke managed to down the supreme leader of the Covenant remnant so quickly because he stabbed Jul in both of his hearts before getting him in the jugular. There probably should have been a lot more blood in that scene, but it explains why Jul dropped dead almost immediately.

Lol. Sorry. I saw the cutscenes too and didn't see any of that. Agree to disagree I suppose.
 
Locke isn't boring, though. Nightfall Locke might be, but Spartan Locke is just professional and restrained. Based on the cutscenes of the first few missions he understands just how important his role as the leader of Osiris is, and there's a clear sense of acuity and rationality in all of his responses - note how much he pauses when he gives answers. He's also got the weight of ONI knowledge on his shoulders, and while he's not entirely unhinged, mind you, you can clearly tell he's become a different man after working for ONI for so long.

His fighting style is also basically the coolest out of any of the Spartans we've seen in the games. It's hard to see, but the first time he stabs Jul is when he thrusts under his sword, and then he's got the two following. Probably worth clarifying: Locke managed to down the supreme leader of the Covenant remnant so quickly because he stabbed Jul in both of his hearts before getting him in the jugular. There probably should have been a lot more blood in that scene, but it explains why Jul dropped dead almost immediately.

#BasedWahrer
 
Lol. Sorry. I saw the cutscenes too and didn't see any of that. Agree to disagree I suppose.

I think a good way to look at it is that Chief and Locke are on two sides of ONI's influence: Chief is a product of shadowy interference while Locke is responsible for carrying out acquisitions and intelligence opetations for them. Chief spent years bonding with Blue Team, whereas Locke has an evident desire to bond with his fireteam but also has to avoid blurting out some of humanity's darkest secrets at every turn.
 
I think a good way to look at it is that Chief and Locke are on two sides of ONI's influence: Chief is a product of shadowy interference while Locke is responsible for carrying out acquisitions and intelligence opetations for them. Chief spent years bonding with Blue Team, whereas Locke has an evident desire to bond with his fireteam but also has to avoid blurting out some of humanity's darkest secrets at every turn.

I haven't read any of the ONI stuff or 5 backstory. What I saw in the cutscenes was a pretty boring character, trying way too hard to be stoic and cool. The game's facial animations aren't nearly impressive enough to convey the subtle emotions that you are substituting in with your extended knowledge.
 

Flipyap

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He does? That's news to me because I certainly don't sympathize with anything about him other than the fact that he was abducted at age 6, which was his past. Certainly not a goal, much less one that's worth sympathizing with.
You never wanted to carry out any of his missions? Defeat the Covenant? Destroy the Flood? Save the galaxy? Save Cortana? Kill aliens? Be a pretty cool guy?
That's pretty darn weird.
 

Vire

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Locke isn't boring, though. Nightfall Locke might be, but Spartan Locke is just professional and restrained. Based on the cutscenes of the first few missions he understands just how important his role as the leader of Osiris is, and there's a clear sense of acuity and rationality in all of his responses - note how much he pauses when he gives answers. He's also got the weight of ONI knowledge on his shoulders, and while he's not entirely unhinged, mind you, you can clearly tell he's become a different man after working for ONI for so long.

His fighting style is also basically the coolest out of any of the Spartans we've seen in the games. It's hard to see, but the first time he stabs Jul is when he thrusts under his sword, and then he's got the two following. Probably worth clarifying: Locke managed to down the supreme leader of the Covenant remnant so quickly because he stabbed Jul in both of his hearts before getting him in the jugular. There probably should have been a lot more blood in that scene, but it explains why Jul dropped dead almost immediately.
Da fuq? Where is that seen AT ALL in any of the missions shown thus far? I'm seriously laughing at this, reminds me of that 2 hour YouTube dissection of the Modern Warfare story where the guy tries to find things that completely aren't there.

Locke has one tone and voice... he's always shouting at other people in an imposing and commanding voice, but everyone knows he's johnsons baby lotion soft on the inside.
 
You never wanted to carry out any of his missions? Defeat the Covenant? Destroy the Flood? Save the galaxy? Save Cortana? Kill aliens? Be a pretty cool guy?
That's pretty darn weird.

If that's your argument then I could sympathize with any playable character in the Halo franchise including Locke because every single one of them have had a goal like that.
 
Da fuq? Where is that seen AT ALL in any of the missions shown thus far? I'm seriously laughing at this, reminds me of that 2 hour YouTube dissection of the Modern Warfare story where the guy tries to find things that completely aren't there.

Locke has one tone and voice... he's always shouting at other people in an imposing and commanding voice, but everyone knows he's johnsons baby lotion soft on the inside.

You must be watching different videos than the rest of us.

Apparently blue team only has 3 missions, whatever the hell that means.

It doesn't mean anything right now.
 
Da fuq? Where is that seen AT ALL in any of the missions shown thus far? I'm seriously laughing at this, reminds me of that 2 hour YouTube dissection of the Modern Warfare story where the guy tries to find things that completely aren't there.

Locke has one tone and voice... he's always shouting at other people in an imposing and commanding voice, but everyone knows he's johnsons baby lotion soft on the inside.

Shouting? Yea, I guess that's why he's always talking in a level headed and reserved tone. Fan-fiction is only amusing to a certain extent.
 
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