Primethius
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I thought it was pretty terrible writing, acted out even worse and am one of the people that think it's like a "fanfic." Gotta agree to disagree I suppose.
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I thought it was pretty terrible writing, acted out even worse and am one of the people that think it's like a "fanfic." Gotta agree to disagree I suppose.
I can understand the other points, but seriously? The mocap/VA was top notch. I don't understand where you are coming from for this specific point.
Primethius
Banned
I'm referring to the Chief/Cortana scene in particular that occurs at the end of Halo 4 and specifically Cortana. I actually remember it reminding me of some awful anime back when I played it.
Actually can't watch it without rolling my eyes back into my skull. Good mocap alone isn't enough to save that scene.
sleverfunk
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Thanks Bungie
https://youtu.be/EwfnAM3dBrM?t=22m18s
https://youtu.be/EwfnAM3dBrM?t=22m18s
Oh, I was referring to their general conversations throughout the game. I agree that the ending is cringy, but it didn't ruin the rest of the game for me.
PetulantChild
Banned
No, but I cringe when it's handled with less subtlety than the previous games. In Halo 4 Cortana just seems like some kind of rule34 fanfiction because she says thing like "I've waited so long to do that" while touching chief and borderline moaning.
Moaning? I think you're hearing things.
We've known for a while that she's cared about the chief a lot more than just being friends (Human Weakness) and there's even a passage in that story about her not being able to touch the person she cares the most about. That scene is just her being able to do something she's wanted to do for a long time.
PetulantChild
Banned
I've seen that many times; that's not moaning. lol
PetulantChild
Banned
Hence the borderline specification. It's audio that i'm sure fan fiction makers have re-purposed in some ways. Either way it's very very cheesy.
What type of fanfiction bullshit is this!?!??! A monkey could write a better script using his penis!
is she
And i defended the ending at first (because it sounded cool on paper) but that dialogue was pretty bad. Post-credits thing was cool at least.
Primethius
Banned
Did we get any sort of definitive confirmation on Blue team only getting 3 missions? I know the mission descriptions all but pointed to it but I was hoping maybe some missions snuck in... or something.
After Halo 4, I thought love story crap was over, but nope, we're right back to it.
When they first released those Locke vs Chief live action trailers I thought that the story was gonna be dark.
Only seeing the infinity drifting and badly damaged sent a chill down my spine (in a good way) Kinda disappointing to see how everything ended. The Legendary ending was good though.
Only seeing the infinity drifting and badly damaged sent a chill down my spine (in a good way) Kinda disappointing to see how everything ended. The Legendary ending was good though.
greenleafcm
Neo Member
And people were dog piling on me the other day for being overly critical "without having enough context".
Hate to say I told you so, but...
Hate to say I told you so, but...
Throughout Halo 4 I really did enjoy 343 expanding on the relationship between them; even aspects of Cortana's rampancy were well handled. But then half way through the game they really start pushing the love story bullshit. Why does it always have to be love?!?!??! Why can't they just share a strong bond together? Why is Guilty Spark alive? Everything is so inconsistent and out of left field, my god they explain everything to death! They destroy the mystery of the Forerunners, destroying half the lore by creating the Precursors to fill the hole left by the Forerunners. And then downplay the flood threat by saying "oh, they're just a biological weapon". And don't even get me started on all the magical, convoluted bull about the Didiact and everybody dealing in absolutes and lacking no common sense. I mean "Hey, there are flood spores on this Forerunner colony! Should we warn them?" "No lets blow the fuck out of their colony starting and interstellar war!" Besides the Didact has no motivation! And the Covenent, really are being beat to death. And why does everything have to be a fucking love story! Fuck! I;m going back to dota brb my team is yelling at me.
ALSO in halo 5 they play up this whole rivalry between lock and Chief, that turns out the be nothing! And all of a sudden there is this forerunner AI thread!?!?/ And how did humanity expand so quickly after the Covenant/Flood war!??!?!?
PetulantChild
Banned
He's not, or at least not in Halo 5, that monitor is a different AI.
You seem to enjoy hating this game, and pointing that fact out to everybody in every single post. Who are you even talking to at this point? You certainly didn't tell me anything, as I'm fine with the plot, as are a lot of people.
We get it. You don't like it. You don't have to keep telling us this. You don't have to keep trying to convince us that it's a fact that the story is bad.
To add, Guilty Spark is alive, and his story progressed in Halo: Primordium and Hunters in the Dark (the Rubicon is at least touched on, I believe).
It was definitely confirmed by people who played it, which is a shame.
Still, they weren't kidding when they said this game was about Blue team. They were handled perfectly. There just wasn't enough game time.
Where do you guys see 343 taking the series after 6 (end of the reclaimer saga)? You think we will still follow the chief? I remember reading somewhere that Bungie wanted to make a game based on a sangheili strike team, but that idea changed and became odst. Maybe 343 can revisit that idea?
Are you aware if they're featured in many of the non-Blue Team missions throughout the game? I just want to see them kicking some ass in the cinematics, don't really care if I play as them
6 isn't the end of the saga any more I believe, that's why they changed the terminology from trilogy to saga in the first place
I think Chief's story will end at 6 but who knows. I'd like to see something completely new with a set of new characters.
Yeah, still I prefer Kelly over Tanaka, for instance.Are you aware if they're featured in many of the non-Blue Team missions throughout the game? I just want to see them kicking some ass in the cinematics, don't really care if I play as them
6 isn't the end of the saga any more I believe, that's why they changed the terminolgy from trilogy to saga in the first place
That's the impression I got from the ending as well. A lot has to happen before this ends. The ending is insane if only for the possibilities opened in the future.
It would more accurate to say Chakas returned, rather than 343 GS.
Still, you're right about Johnson.
I'm curious to see if they'll close this new story arc before returning to the Flood/Precursors, or if they'll be interjected into this arc and make one giant messy war.
I have seen any of the cinematics (got spoiled on the story, but won't spoil those as well), but I have heard that Cortana speaks with Gravemind-esque tones. Lots of possibilities that the story could take.
Kor of Memory
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Cortana's new face makes me very very sad.
She looks like a famous actress but I can't think of which one.
She looks like a famous actress but I can't think of which one.
Cortana definitely has Halsey, the Didact and Gravemind tones. Super creepy, and the best we've seen out of Cortana since Halo 2. I don't think the emotional side of Cortana has ever worked well, though.
She literally quotes the Didact at one point.
I'd say FuD>5>4>2>3>CE in terms of design. She was oversexualized in Halo 4.
greenleafcm
Neo Member
I dunno. I mean if any of the Chief's Spartans were acting crazy and doing bad things I honestly feel like he would do the same for any of them. As...okay I don't really have a word for what that scene was, but I think it was less about pushing "romance" and more about the guilt Chief felt about Cortana's death and how he wants to make up for his "failure", as well as to drive home the fact that whatever trust existed between the Chief and this AI is pretty much toast. This Cortana is simply not the one that was our friend, that one really did die over Earth. Chief gave her one last chance and she effectively stabbed him in the back. Hopefully now we see the Chief really come to terms with that fact and finally let it go, and prep to fight this new enemy. If they make him //continue// to be hung up over this however, I really won't have the capacity to support the series anymore. I'm tired of seeing unhealthy relationships glorified in the media.
...don't get me wrong, the dialogue was still really bad, but hopefully this actually finally cancels out the weird/uncomfortable notions of any kind of romance existing between these characters. And as other people mentioned at least it did get across the creepiness of Cortana's obsession with the Chief (on top of all her problematic connections to Halsey). How they choose to handle Chief's reaction from here on out is what makes or breaks it in terns of truly being glorified fanfiction, I think.
That sounds fantastic!
Halo 4 was probably my favorite Halo due to the Chief/Cortana interact but I can definitely understand why some people felt ending was cringe-worthy (I enjoyed, personally). What I thought 343 handled really well in 4 was Cortana's dialogue throughout each mission and how it kept building up the closer she got to rampancy (and the end of the game).
Kor of Memory
Member
I'm not sure I agree with your order.
It's just that I feel like she gets full blown reconstrucive surgery every game now.
Like, CE was obviously primitive, but I felt like in Halo 2, you could see that being a natural progression from CE. Same thing with 3 from 2. You could see how her original face turned into what was there now.
Then 4 came along and built her up from scratch. Fine, they get a pass, they 343 wants to put their touch on it. Chief got the same treatment.
But now 5 has her looking totally different from 4, and I don't understand why. Why did they redesign her yet again? I know it seems dumb, but it's hard to reattach a character to their past when they don't look how you remember them looking. I can't look at this Cortana and think back to when I scoured High Charity looking for her in desperation. I feel like that must have been a different character.
Also, as dumb as it is, I refuse to believe Cortana will stay evil or be the big bad for long. Simply because of Microsoft's Cortana (aka Siri). I feel like they wouldn't like their voice service being related to a villian.
NexusGamer
Member
I think the marketing for the game pulled a "dead island".
The whole rivalry angle between the two characters absolutely never happens. The commercials etc were all non-related to what's actually in the game. There was no truth to hunt.
pretty disappointing overall
The whole rivalry angle between the two characters absolutely never happens. The commercials etc were all non-related to what's actually in the game. There was no truth to hunt.
pretty disappointing overall
On another note, the Warden Eternal boss fight is easily better than the previous boss fights in the franchise. Halo has always been bad at them, the Warden fight is at least decent, and the character is menacing.
This is a 343i game. Lots of great and terrible stuff intertwinned. The Warden is on the better half.
I always thought that the novels were all pointing to a war involving ONI. Halo 5 is certainly surprising in that regard.
This is a 343i game. Lots of great and terrible stuff intertwinned. The Warden is on the better half.
We should expect this from Halo now, lol. Halo 2, ODST, Reach and now 5 have had somewhat deceptive marketing campaigns.
I always thought that the novels were all pointing to a war involving ONI. Halo 5 is certainly surprising in that regard.
Kor of Memory
Member
I swear, the closest thing Halo ever had to a good boss fight was the Scarab battles in Halo 3. And it was such a goddamn tease when the Scarabs showed up in Reach and you couldn't touch them.
PetulantChild
Banned
I saw someone streaming the first fight with the warden and I couldn't agree more. The Thruster specifically seems to actually give the fight some mechanical depth, which is more than can be said for the Tartarus and Spark fights. Don't really like the design of the character though, he looks too busy and sorta toy like.
WrenchNinja
Member
and then master chief reaches out to his waifu and then his waifu is sad and says goodbye john
NexusGamer
Member
yeah... but its too bad that fight happens like three times and it's the same every time.
PetulantChild
Banned
Let's be gratetful it's not fucking Tartarus.
greenleafcm
Neo Member
I agree. The changes in character design in the original trilogy felt natural. The last two don't at all. In fact I liked her much better when she looked more like a hologram, like living lines of code right down to her hair, instead of just...a blue person. :\ Her new design draws clearer parallels to Dr. Halsey though, which I think is important.
Eh, I highly doubt an app that is totally optional for Windows systems dictates the fate of the actual fictional character it's named after.
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