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Does too much fanservice in games bother you?

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JumpCancel

Banned
As long as they don't depict young girls, then I don't mind. Guys who make the games want to put it in, let em'.

They should equal it out with more masculine fan service from time to time however.
 
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The Baron Count

Member
Vlaphor said:
For the best male fanservice, look to Japan.

https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/fm-31.png?w=580&h=435

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http://static.zerochan.net/Benten.Yatagarasu.(Zone-00).full.650158.jpg

We need more of this in video games (and society in general, but that'll come later)
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I think stuff like that is obviously good for equality purposes, but it's still as creatively bankrupt as anything else which is my biggest issue with it I think.
 
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Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Cloyster said:
maybe unique for video games, but that doesn't make the character designs more interesting in general.
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It does actually, especially when you go back and look at the design process to see how they arrived at the final design and don't see varying amounts of fanservice. There's also that thing where a ton of tech is being used to make them seem believable.

Puruzi said:
They can be as appropriate as they want, but that doesn't make the design anything interesting to look at. Cool that you like them I guess, but everyone who posts that western designs are better keeps posting this same old shit with the same old reasons and it's just like, whatever. I think there are lots of cool female designs in indie games, but everyone keeps showing off these boring ass AAA designs.
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Indies usually don't have corporate pressure to appeal to a male demographic so their designs process is usually more lax. Hellblade isn't triple A btw. The designs aren't just interesting because they're appropriately dressed. Faith for instance is one of the most iconic designs from last gen.
 
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E_Darkness

Member
outunderthestars said:
It's sad to me because there are a ton of great Indies on the platform but they get mostly ignored for the pervy niche Japanese junk.

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This kind of shit is pointless....
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You say pointless junk, but I can't think of any mystery dungeon roguelike games on the Vita. If the game is bad and is all fanservice (which it probably is sadly).

It sucks that some of the genres I love actually need this shit for it to even sell.
 
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cyba89

Member
Past said:
Why do Japanese games get so much shit for having "revealing clothes", but no one shit on Western games for having full blown nudity?
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Anything specific you think about?

Because western games get called out for unnecessary fanservice too (in this thread even)
 
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Cloyster

Banned
Crossing Eden said:
It does actually, especially when you go back and look at the design process to see how they arrived at the final design and don't see varying amounts of fanservice. There's also that thing where a ton of tech is being used to make them seem believable.
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I don't think "without fanservice" and "believable" automatically makes a character design interesting, personally. I think the protagonist of Horizon is a very interesting design. Faith is...ok.
 
B

Breads

Banned
toythatkills said:
You should read more into this game because that portrait is the least of its problems.

(Your breasts grow as you get more powerful, and to identify "???" items you have to jiggle them between your breasts.)
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This isn't a problem for me. Because Like I say in the next sentence...

The thing is though that this isn't made for me... these are made to service a very specific user base and that in of itself doesn't bother me...
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Puruzi

Banned
Crossing Eden said:
It does actually, especially when you go back and look at the design process to see how they arrived at the final design and don't see varying amounts of fanservice. There's also that thing where a ton of tech is being used to make them seem believable.


Indies usually don't have corporate pressure to appeal to a male demographic so their designs process is usually more lax. Hellblade isn't triple A btw. The designs aren't just interesting because they're appropriately dressed. Faith for instance is one of the most iconic designs from last gen.
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Faith is appropriately dressed for what she does and her setting, but her appropriate attire looks cool to me. The other's don't. And I wasn't aware that Hellblade wasn't AAA, the way the character looked made me think it was tho, whoops
 
P

Producer

Member
E_Darkness said:
You say pointless junk, but I can't think of any mystery dungeon roguelike games on the Vita. If the game is bad and is all fanservice (which it probably is sadly).

It sucks that some of the genres I love actually need this shit for it to even sell.
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Its a D3 game and they dont have a good track record (bullet girls, natsuiro high school) so yeah, most likely its just fanservice and bad gameplay.
 
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outunderthestars

Banned
E_Darkness said:
You say pointless junk, but I can't think of any mystery dungeon roguelike games on the Vita. If the game is bad and is all fanservice (which it probably is sadly).

It sucks that some of the genres I love actually need this shit for it to even sell.
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I would love for there to be more dungeon crawlers on Vita. I just refuse to buy a game with that level of stupid pervy bullshit crammed into it.
 
C

Cloyster

Banned
Puruzi said:
What do you mean by this? Apparently masculine fanservice=power fantasy from what i've seen lately :/
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uuuuugh I really wish I had my thread making privledges ;-; I've got a whole thing ready on this.

Basically, the things that are considered sexually attractive in a man by women and the things that a man wants in a male character are slightly distinct, but sometimes overlap, and it would take more female developers to properly show that distinction.
 
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Puruzi

Banned
Cloyster said:
uuuuugh I really wish I had my thread making privledges ;-; I've got a whole thing ready on this.

Basically, the things that are considered sexually attractive in a man by women and the things that a man wants in a male character are slightly distinct, but sometimes overlap, and it would take more female developers to properly show that distinction.
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You could PM the thread to someone and have them credit you as the creator if you want it out sooner
 
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Ezalc

Member
Depends. If it's a series where it's been present since the beginning or for a majority of it then no.

If it's a series where it isn't a standard and has been put in just because of recent times then yes. This is the reason why I'm skipping the next two fire emblem games for example.

Also, any underaged girl fanservice pisses me off. FE: Awakening also had this bullshit.
 
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fhqwhgads

Member
If it's constantly in my face and obnoxious as hell then yes
If it's more subtle and mostly stuff like unlockable costumes or "Blink and you'll miss it" shots then it'll not bother me.
 
R

rpmurphy

Member
Vlaphor said:
KOF is a good example. I'm a bi male (technically I'd say pan, but then I have to define it and it's a pain, so I just say bi), but not really into muscular men, so I can really dig several of the men from KOF. Ash is damn hot, and is sexualized in the ways I like (flirty behavior, you can see his nice ass in one of KOF XIII's cutscenes), but even guys like Benimaru, Iori, or Kyo all speak to what I like.

I understand that a fit man being shirtless doesn't automatically make him equal to a sexualized portrayal of a woman, and that it take more than just looks to match the kind of fanservice usually seen in gaming, but I feel that devs could try a bit harder to give us some kind of male fanservice.
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I getcha. Male fanservice is harder to define, but most of the time it does seem like it comes as an afterthought for developers. For example, when there are customizable outfits, there are more items and more variety available for the female characters. Fanservice-oriented games are overwhelmingly on one side of the spectrum and tend to get a decent budget for them, but the other end is hardly much to speak of, at least in the West.
 
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NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom

Banned
Vlaphor said:
For the best male fanservice, look to Japan.

https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/fm-31.png?w=580&h=435

http://orig00.deviantart.net/bf05/f...eader__utapri__by_theantiqueclock-d7pypkz.jpg

http://static.zerochan.net/Benten.Yatagarasu.(Zone-00).full.650158.jpg

We need more of this in video games (and society in general, but that'll come later)
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So will they give me back the R. Mika ass slap if I have to take a lingering glance at Vega's crotch?
Who am I kidding, give me that lingering glance, too.

I think a lot of the issue with this is intensity of relative fan service. I don't mind even overt fan service in games, but people talking about R. Mika's ass slap like it's the bandaid undies in Senran Kagura need a reality check.
 
autoduelist

autoduelist

Member
Admiral Woofington said:
Fan service bothers me more than many other things. It's unnecessary, holding the industry back, and unless it's equal on both fronts and used for comedic effects it's just essentially pleasing perverts.
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No, it really isn't. There's tons of fanservice in every entertainment industry. Romantic novels, for example, are a huge genre. The only people judging an entire medium for a subset having fanservice [games, comics, etc] are those people that aren't ready to give the medium a fair shake regardless.

It's not like people ignore literature because there are entire shelves full of sweaty ripped beefcakes covers just across the room.

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Pai Pai Master

Banned
Depends on the game really. I dont like it when it doesn't fit the tone of the game and takes precedence over more important things (MGSV). But I like erotica, hentai etc. So don't mind if the game's gone fits or its something like Senran Kagura designed around showing off the t&a.

If game designers want to be pervs I'm all for it, just don't sacrifice other aspects of your game or narrative in order to sneak in an out if place ass or boob shot every 5 minutes.
 
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AlfonzoPalutena

Member
I have mixed feelings in fan service. Bayonetta, with her loud and sexy persona, doesn't bother me. On the other hand, Fire Emblem Fates has a lot of fanservice, rubbing your characters with the stylus, ect. It depends on the game I guess.
 
N

Nightbird

Member
cyba89 said:
Yes.
I don't like the fanservice moments in the Danganganronpa games.

I don't have anything against sexual content when it's fitting with the tone of the game (Bayonetta) or when it's done in good taste (Wolfenstein New Order).

But the pervy lewd stuff is just off-putting and immature for me.
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I change my Answer, put me in this mans camp


The Scenes with Mikan in Danganronpa 2 where absolutely embarassing.
 
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NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom

Banned
autoduelist said:
No, it really isn't. There's tons of fanservice in every entertainment industry. Romantic novels, for example, are a huge genre. The only people judging an entire medium for a subset having fanservice [games, comics, etc] are those people that aren't ready to give the medium a fair shake regardless.

It's not like people ignore literature because there are entire shelves full of sweaty ripped beefcakes covers just across the room.
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The idea that we need this video games to become this amazing uniform industry that never releases things that appeal to baser instincts for it to be taken seriously is just such a load of crap.
 
Haunted

Haunted

Member
MAX PAYMENT said:
What is the definition of fan service?
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tvtropes:
Characters in skimpy clothing, or skin-tight clothing, or none at all, under the assumption that it will attract or "reward" viewers. The character is usually female
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wiki:
material in a series which is intentionally added to please the audience. Fan service usually refers to "gratuitous titillation", but can also refer to intertextual references to other series.
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Raggie

Member
Fanservice always bugs me, but usually no more than to make me roll my eyes. A few games have gone so far with the fanservice that it bothers me enough not to buy the game at all. It's not just the amount but the kind of fanservice, especially with underage characters.

I'm guessing a lot of people do start caring once they become parents.
 
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cosmicblizzard

Banned
I should also say fanservice will never stop me from playing a game I was enjoying/interested in otherwise. It doesn't matter how bad it is. I would play Criminal Girls if I was at all interested in non-Persona dungeon crawlers.
 
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Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Cloyster said:
I don't think "without fanservice" and "believable" automatically makes a character design interesting, personally. I think the protagonist of Horizon is a very interesting design. Faith is...ok.
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Well it's a good thing those two factors aren't the only reason why I or most people find them interesting, that's just part of it.

Puruzi said:
Faith is appropriately dressed for what she does and her setting, but her appropriate attire looks cool to me. The other's don't. And I wasn't aware that Hellblade wasn't AAA, the way the character looked made me think it was tho, whoops
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The point of Hellblade is to make a game on par with triple A games with a much much lower budget and cheaper solutions to expensive tech.
 
C

Cloyster

Banned
Crossing Eden said:
Well it's a good thing those two factors aren't the only reason why I or most people find them interesting, that's just part of it.
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But you didn't give any reason why they are interesting besides that. You used those two factors as a rebuttal to me saying they are uninteresting.
 
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kewlmyc

Member
Only if the entire game revolves around it like Senran Kagura. Games like Danganronpa 2 and the Vanillaware games, where the gameplay/story is the main draw, I don't mind the occasional fanservice.
 
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Admiral Woofington

Member
autoduelist said:
No, it really isn't. There's tons of fanservice in every entertainment industry. Romantic novels, for example, are a huge genre. The only people judging an entire medium for a subset having fanservice [games, comics, etc] are those people that aren't ready to give the medium a fair shake regardless.

It's not like people ignore literature because there are entire shelves full of sweaty ripped beefcakes covers just across the room.

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?

Literature tends to have a cover and really vivid descriptions but there's a VERY particular audience for it that outright wants either romantic tales or to read something arousing. You don't read most novels and it spends hours after hours describing the curvy body or the size of the breasts of a female character in a sci fi novel.

I fail to see your point as to why I can't hate fanservice how it's used in games for the majority of games we've seen over a very particular niche audience in a completely different non-visual medium.

Comic books are visual and arguably attract a similar subgroup of geeks and people are getting equally tired of female superheroes in really skimpy outfits. And there aren't entire shelves of beefcakes everywhere you go. Many don't even go to book stores anymore. While in a video game forum and specifically for japanese video games you always have to wonder when they're gonna give a woman or a little girl a battle bikini.

Western games aren't entirely safe from it to though. The argument isn't against Japanese games specifically, but against fanservice.
 
SmokedMeat

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
Are we talking fan service like Starfox in Bayonetta, or something else? Because I like fan service.

If you mean over the top sexiness, I don't really care so long as it's not underage girls like some games.
 
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NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom

Banned
Admiral Woofington said:
I fail to see your point as to why I can't hate fanservice how it's used in games for the majority of games we've seen over a very particular niche audience in a completely different non-visual medium.
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He literally highlighted the part where you said it's holding the industry back. I don't think he's telling you to go look at everyone's panties in Xenoblade until you enjoy it.
 
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AtomskEater

Member
Depends on if I'm in the mood for that stuff. I know what Akiba's Trip and Senran Kagura are all about, so it never bothers me in games like that. Sudden or out-of-context/out-of-place fan service gets annoying. I love rpgs but each year it feels like more and more spankbait is getting inserted into them. I understand it's because that's what sells merch, but it's still annoying.

It also doesn't help that often this stuff is does in a juvenile, awkward way. "MC-kun the girls are bathing in the hot springs lets go peep on them~"

I'm also not the intended audience for such scenes, so they do nothing for me. v(`-`)v

I dunno. Guess it boils down to there's a place for it and there are ways to do it so that it's actually sexy and not just a "wtf was that" moment.
 
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cosmicblizzard

Banned
Crossing Eden said:
The more the Japanese gaming industry continues to push it the less interested I get in their games. Quiet, that witch from SO5, Cindy from FFXV, SF5. It's so childish and lazy now. Lazy in this context because designing a woman with the male gaze in mind is one of the most creatively bankrupt things you can do with a character design. Compared to having some thought put into it.


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Since we're talking preferences here, every single of those look boring to me except for the one with the scar, and that's only the design because I'm not digging the art style at all. Just looks ugly to me.

Michonne is cool though, but her design is still boring.
 
Astral Dog

Astral Dog

Member
Blah blah kawaii girls blah not enough male fanservice blah toó many boobs blah pandering blag uncreative blah embarrasing hobby my mommy hates it.

It can be annoying and unnecessary, and it can be a fun diversión/hilarious from timé to timé, depends on the gane and situation.

We could argue the industry relies toó much on fanservice, but it happens and its unlikely to stop, like other industries, we can only point to the most offensive or stupid use of this tool (Quiet Anyone?)
 
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Puruzi

Banned
kewlmyc said:
Only if the entire game revolves around it like Senran Kagura. Games like Danganronpa 2 and the Vanillaware games, where the gameplay/story is the main draw, I don't mind the occasional fanservice.
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If you don't like fanservice, and a game revolves around it why would it bother you? It means that game is explicitly not for you. It makes more sense be upset at your other example, if a game you like has fanservice in it when you don't like fanservice.
 
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KidB

Member
Not really, but I haven't played a game that had too much of it. The only time when I was bothered by it was when I was playing Sonic Adventure 2 and Rouge the Bat was introduced.
 
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