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Sony confirms PS2 emulation coming to PS4
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Pinko Marx
Banned
That's already on ps3 if you have one.
I don't expect disc based emulation, but I already have a rather impressive digital PS2 classics library I purchased, mainly of games that I've never played/owns on the PS2 (i.e., the Shin Megami Tensei games).
Baby steps, but for starters, I'd hope the first wave is the currently available PS2 Classics, and ideally disc based support next (in a perfect dream world la la land).
I couldn't care less about trophies. I'd like these functions of the emulator though:
1080p up scaling
Some kind of anti-aliasing solution
Save states
I'm a simple guy. The important thing is being able to play the games in the first steps. The demands for dream features will come after we're past that hurdle. I'm not about to start issuing "do this or else, Sony!" ultimatums when the feature isn't even available yet.
Baby steps, but for starters, I'd hope the first wave is the currently available PS2 Classics, and ideally disc based support next (in a perfect dream world la la land).
I couldn't care less about trophies. I'd like these functions of the emulator though:
1080p up scaling
Some kind of anti-aliasing solution
Save states
I'm a simple guy. The important thing is being able to play the games in the first steps. The demands for dream features will come after we're past that hurdle. I'm not about to start issuing "do this or else, Sony!" ultimatums when the feature isn't even available yet.
There's no relicensing needed to be done for disc based BC. They only needed to relicense when they were releasing games digitally on PSN.
Transistor
Banned
Upscaling and AA I agree with. Save states would just ruin a lot of these old games.
binarymelon
Member
Just really worried on what the cost will be and if there will be any form of cross-buy or disc support (not likely).
I'm know that. But I could play the digital version of Chrono Cross and Xenogears on my PS3. However my disc version did not work on my UK PS3. All my UK discs worked fine. When the original discs were printed, they were done so with region lock enabled. They'd need to be reprinted with the lock lifted to work. That's never gonna heppen though, and the best you're going to get is region lock bejng disabled when the licensing for the PSN version ic created.
I love using save states on the 3DS/WiiU VC though, they really alleviate some of the frustration of older games.
Well, you don't have to use the feature. As long as it doesn't somehow break the functionality of the game itself (i.e., using save states causes crashes), I don't see why you wouldn't want to have that feature as an option. It's in most, if not all emulators, and it's easy to just not use the feature if you don't want to.
Also, I'd like the ability I take screenshots of the games finally.
Yeah even some of the classics that did make it to PS3 play horribly. Virtua Fighter 4:Evo is practically unplayable. A better system should hopefully avoid these issues and allow a stronger library.
but the bouncer is good.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
you should check out the digital foundry coverage of the ps2 emulation on ps4.
Spoiler: it's pretty good!
Netherscourge
Banned
For people claiming the PS4 doesn't have the correct lasers to read PS1 or PS2 discs...
Why couldn't Sony release a new Firmware update for the PS2 (or even the original BC-PS3) that allows you to connect to PSN through your PS2/PS3 (assuming you have a PS2 with the ethernet adaptor) and then have Sony run a Playstation 1/2 disc ID check right on the PS2 or PS3 itself? In that way, Sony could atleast TAG your PSN account with the "emulation rights" to the PS2 discs you actually own, so you could download them to your PS4 from PSN?
I still have a PS2 with the hardrive/ethernet adaptor input. Surely Sony could run disc ID checks that way. And the PS2 SLIM models had built-in Ethernet if I recall correctly.
Then, Sony can do what Microsoft is doing - just polling the customers to see which games are most popular for emulation on a PS4 and then they can let people who pass the disc ID check download the emulated version of the games directly to their PS4s?
I mean heck - Sony could sell off any remaining PS2 and PS2 SLIM stock, not to mention boost PS2 disc sales and re-sales, for people who are really interested in PS2 emulation of a PS4.
-This is assuming the PS4 actually can't read a PS2 disc due to hardware limitations that couldn't be patched with a firmware update. I don't know if anyone from Sony actually confirmed that or not.-
Why couldn't Sony release a new Firmware update for the PS2 (or even the original BC-PS3) that allows you to connect to PSN through your PS2/PS3 (assuming you have a PS2 with the ethernet adaptor) and then have Sony run a Playstation 1/2 disc ID check right on the PS2 or PS3 itself? In that way, Sony could atleast TAG your PSN account with the "emulation rights" to the PS2 discs you actually own, so you could download them to your PS4 from PSN?
I still have a PS2 with the hardrive/ethernet adaptor input. Surely Sony could run disc ID checks that way. And the PS2 SLIM models had built-in Ethernet if I recall correctly.
Then, Sony can do what Microsoft is doing - just polling the customers to see which games are most popular for emulation on a PS4 and then they can let people who pass the disc ID check download the emulated version of the games directly to their PS4s?
I mean heck - Sony could sell off any remaining PS2 and PS2 SLIM stock, not to mention boost PS2 disc sales and re-sales, for people who are really interested in PS2 emulation of a PS4.
-This is assuming the PS4 actually can't read a PS2 disc due to hardware limitations that couldn't be patched with a firmware update. I don't know if anyone from Sony actually confirmed that or not.-
plutoknight
Member
"Well, we should probably go ahead and confirm that, but let's do it on friday and very nonchalantly so we can reintroduce it at PSX with a big bang!"
DVDs should be fine. CD-based PS2 games may be an issue (I know regular and dual-layered DVDs work fine on PS4)
Tizoc
Member
Only if you use it; So don't use it.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
I really hope this is disc based and not just the Classics. I also hope PS1 emulation comes with it.
PS4 doesn't even need to have the correct laser to read CDs, all it needs is a laser that can be focused to a smaller point than the pits in the disc. The only place where it has to be just the right frequency is with recordable discs since they use a colored dye. I guess it's possible it can't read through the black plastic without an infrared laser, but if Sony made a drive that can read every pressed disc except their own PS1 discs...
Also, check the paper manual that actually came with your system, you might find it mentions CD capability in the specs. At work so I can't post it, but another gaffer found it like a year ago.
Also, check the paper manual that actually came with your system, you might find it mentions CD capability in the specs. At work so I can't post it, but another gaffer found it like a year ago.
Badlucktroll
Member
What are the odds of Fallout Brotherhood of steel coming? Never played that one. Is it good?
Vault Boy intro movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2h-3JdDLhE
Vault Boy intro movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2h-3JdDLhE
Ehh its ok not much meat to the game.
Echoing the sentiment.
Disc-based would be a godsend.
I know it's probably a slim chance, but it certainly would please people with an extensive PS1 and PS2 library, like myself, more than happy.
Fingers crossed.
The Grand Papillon thanks you for your support. Enjoy the trophy for beating the Man Festival.
Well, there goes PS1 disc support. Drive probably cant use CD wavelenght.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
I'm going to need a bigger hard drive.
I wonder if they could do it so that it can at least detect what the game is and you could download it. Probably would be too much trouble, but there are a lot of great PS1 titles on PSN that could make use of that.
entremet
Member
I hope we get the rest.
I can't get excited until it actually happens and they actually put a good library in there. PS1/2 Classics and Nintendo's VC are the most disappointing thing ever
With Super Star Wars released on PS4 and Vita this month, that means more SNES games have been released on PS4 and Vita than on Wii U's VC these past several months.
Let that sink in.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I'd love disk based emulation on the PS4 just as much as the next guy but...
Regardless of whether or not disk based emulation is even possible, you guys know they'll still be selling "PS2 Classics" on PSN and giving developers a chance once again to resell users the games that they created during the PS2's run. Since there is obvious profit motivation behind PS2 emulation, the odds that a company like Sony is going to be "nice" and let you skip out on paying (again) is nearly 0%. They know that things like resolution upscaling and trophy support are worthy upgrades that will cause people to repurchase a game.
Regardless of whether or not disk based emulation is even possible, you guys know they'll still be selling "PS2 Classics" on PSN and giving developers a chance once again to resell users the games that they created during the PS2's run. Since there is obvious profit motivation behind PS2 emulation, the odds that a company like Sony is going to be "nice" and let you skip out on paying (again) is nearly 0%. They know that things like resolution upscaling and trophy support are worthy upgrades that will cause people to repurchase a game.
Moor-Angol
Banned
this means I should have to pay again for a game I already paid 10 years ago ?
no thanks, I keep playing PS2 games with my PS2 hooked up to a Framemeister Mini
no thanks, I keep playing PS2 games with my PS2 hooked up to a Framemeister Mini
Too true. It's a missed opportunity. Sony/Ninty should go to the pubs, and convince( or help them) to bring their games to psn/VC. All the battle network games. :0I can't get excited until it actually happens and they actually put a good library in there. PS1/2 Classics and Nintendo's VC are the most disappointing thing ever
To echo what others have posted, the PS2 emulator currently running on PS4s that allow the PS2 Star Wars titles to play does a lot more than that.
The games look significantly better, run smoother, and have trophies.
What's interesting is that that some games apparently show very similar issues between PCSX2 and sony's PS2 emulator on the PS3.
Emperor Bohe
Member
In addition to discs and ps1 games working, I hope that it also still supports the memory card adapter. There are some games that I just don't wanna unlock everything for again.
Given the enhancements and trophies and such, I can see the games being $14.99 with maybe even some "elite" games going to $19.99, kind of like what happened with the PS1 Classics.
I'd be happy with $14.99, especially if it's games that are difficult to find in the wild (some of the JRPG's).
But on the topic of how it's been confirmed, I'm excited for PSX now, more than before. This kind of announcement is awesome, and if they announce it there with a pretty decent list of games, say 20 or so to start with weekly additions, this could be an awesome thing to have.
I'd be happy with $14.99, especially if it's games that are difficult to find in the wild (some of the JRPG's).
But on the topic of how it's been confirmed, I'm excited for PSX now, more than before. This kind of announcement is awesome, and if they announce it there with a pretty decent list of games, say 20 or so to start with weekly additions, this could be an awesome thing to have.
autoduelist
Member
There's a line I doubt they'd cross there. Owning and playing from a disc is one thing, allowing people to just insert a disc to download it to their account is another. Disk based BC is possible but a long shot; what you're asking for is never going to happen.
This seems like a fairly slanderous accusation to just 'drop' w/o backing up. Not to mention, with the access and background Sony has on both PS2 and PS4 inner workings, I doubt they'd need to scrimp from another emu.
Emperor Bohe
Member
What if you need to have the disc inserted while playing the downloaded digital copy? Like how BC is on Xbox One?
speedlolita
Member
In addition to discs and ps1 games working, I hope that it also still supports the memory card adapter. There are some games that I just don't wanna unlock everything for again.
Those things are like gold dust now if you didn't already know.
In addition to discs and ps1 games working, I hope that it also still supports the memory card adapter. There are some games that I just don't wanna unlock everything for again.
Since trophies will be involved, you can bet your butt they won't be letting you use one of those.
autoduelist
Member
That's certainly more likely than not needing the disc, but I"m struggling to see a situation in which the PS4 is capable of reading the disc to do this check but can't -use- the disc itself. That is, if it can't read the disc [due to technological or CD licensing issues], then it can't read the disc... and if they can read the disc, why not just read the disc?
I suppose, longshot-wise, if they were going to put a trophy wrapper around every game they may have you download the updated version... but honestly, that seems so convoluted and unnecessary that I still struggle to see a universe in which that makes sense from their perspective.
Straight disc based support seems to make more sense based on their history of BC.