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[MK_768]

I don't think so too, haha.

However, Miyamoto did confirm the Pikmin 4 was in development, and Wii U is the most obvious console for the one it was planned to release.

Now that the NX is in the horizon and almost here, I think that instead of releasing it for Wii U it will jump to the NX boat. But I don't know if that could be considered as a pseudo-port xD.

Yeah that's what I was getting at haha. Pikmin 4 is supposedly almost done according to Miyamoto and it's clear it's coming to NX. However, it's not coming in a way like Smash and Zelda are lol. That's why I said what I said. It's not quite the same thing.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Like I said earlier, a port of Pokkén Tournament would make more sense than Splatoon. Unlike Pokkén, Nintendo's in a good position to where they can get a Splatoon sequel out by 2017, which would be better for the franchise in the long-term. Porting Pokkén to the NX Platform would also help with keeping the game alive in the FGC (maybe with some extra characters, features, balance changes, etc.).

That's quite possible. No argument there, but I think there is a bit of distinction from Pokemon Co. / Nintendo Co. and just Nintendo Co. publishing. Almost like a subcategory within a category. That's how I look at it.

Back to our continuous Splatoon banter - the game is red hot in Japan. Like it's still charting in the top 10, and officially their best selling console game. I think it might actually get an enhanced launch title, and then an official sequel 2 years and change after. It really makes sense for Nintendo to capitalize on the popularity.

I disagree. I reckon the Wii U has sold to a signficant number of the core Nintendo console base, which outside of Wii has been shrinking each generation. I don't tend to think of the 50m 3DS base as the core Nintendo base.

You are wrong. You are extrapolating Wii U sales as the ultimate number of "core Nintendo fans" which actually isn't true. A lot of game fans / Nintendo fans were on the fence with the Wii U and several consoles and even more games didn't sell because of it. Take me for example, I'm a hardcore Nintendo fan and I don't own Splatoon or Super Mario Maker DX for example. There was a barrier between me and those games, and that was my disinterest in the Wii U hardware. The NX may change that hopefully.

 

[Neoxon]

Splatoon 2 won't take 10 months to finish, it will likely be a much bigger and ambitious title than the first one. With that in mind, and considering that they want to sell the NX to people who never bought a Wii U, it doesn't make sense to wait late 2017-2018 and release only Splatoon 2 on the platform when the prequel can still sell a lot and possibly help moving a few consoles. For what we know, they may want to release it on the portable too, and enable cross play with the Wii U version.

A sequel will come for sure, but a Splatoon Remaster release in launch window makes a lot of sense, especially if porting Wii U games to the NX is as easy as it was suggested. In any case, it doesn't make ANY sense to leave it behind.

I'm not saying that they'd finish it in 10 months, I'm saying that they probably started a while back. Major support for this game ended whenever they added the data for the last stages to the game, & what they're adding now are just balance changes & reskins for existing weapons with new special & sub weapons.

Also, why leave Pokkén Tournament out of your list? If anything, that game needs a re-release.

 

[MK_768]

Mario is a solid possibility, but set your expectations low for Kirby. I don't think there's ever been a Kirby launch game and we are getting the new 3DS game this summer.

Hmm, I'm not sure Mario is coming out at launch. I think it's coming a year after launch. I feel like Nintendo will show it of this e3, cause they should if it is in development, but hold it off for a year ala Galaxy.

 

[MegalonJJ]

I reckon Star Fox is a possibility as it was one area that Miyamoto referred to the CPU bottleneck...1080p @ 60fps with extra effects like AA.

But let's see.

 

[Zalman]

The point is new games require a lot of staff and cooking time. For a company that usually gets denied significant third party releases, it's the smartest way to initially put up a few great games early on.

Imagine what the last 2 SEGA consoles on the market would be without SEGA porting their arcade games over. Empty.

You're right in that the benefit of ports is that relatively small teams can put them together and fill in gaps in the release schedule. However, with so many ports, one has to wonder how many original games they have in the pipeline and how they will space them out. I think it's important to show people games they've never seen before too. However, considering many of their biggest teams have been silent for some time, maybe that won't be a problem.

 

[Rodin]

I'm not saying that they'd finish it in 10 months, I'm saying that they probably started a while back. Major support for this game ended whenever they added the data for the last stages to the game, & what they're adding now are just balance changes & reskins for existing weapons with new special & sub weapons.

Also, why leave Pokkén Tournament out of your list? If anything, that game needs a re-release.

Well it didn't exactly set Japan on fire, so, considering it's a very "thin" game (few modes, few fighters, etc), unless it sells well in the west and starts building a competitive community, they may want to just skip to Pokkén Tournament 2. Not saying they won't re-release it (it may very well happen), but unlike Splatoon, i don't see the point in doing that when they can just build a bigger, better sequel of a game that had a tepid reception.

I reckon Star Fox is a possibility as it was one area that Miyamoto referred to the CPU bottleneck...1080p @ 60fps with extra effects like AA.

But let's see.

I think that if Star Fox Zero ever comes to the NX, it will be a bonus in the limited edition of an eventual Star Fox "One" (like the first Bayonetta in the Bayonetta 2 special edition).

 

[Neoxon]

You're right in that the benefit of ports is that relatively small teams can put them together and fill in gaps in the release schedule. However, with so many ports, one has to wonder how many original games they have in the pipeline and how they will space them out. I think it's important to show people games they've never seen before too. However, considering many of their biggest teams have been silent for some time, maybe that won't be a problem.

But isn't the point of unifying their console & handheld development teams (& possibly the platforms) to minimize software droughts caused by splitting their focus between separate console & handheld platforms?

 

[doop_]

I don't think splatoon will be ported.The first game is still fresh in our minds and selling like crazy. Also I think it is safe to say the sequel is probably coming out summer 2017, for a port of the original to come out so close to the sequels release doesn't make sense.

EDIT: Maybe a port to the handheld, but we have no idea if the handheld is even a thing.

 

[Neoxon]

Well it didn't exactly set Japan on fire, so, considering it's a very "thin" game (few modes, few fighters, etc), unless it sells well in the west and starts building a competitive community, they may want to just skip to Pokkén Tournament 2. Not saying they won't re-release it (it may very well happen), but unlike Splatoon, i don't see the point in doing that when they can just build a bigger, better sequel.

Pokkén Tournament was JUST released a month ago, so I doubt that we'd get a bigger & better sequel for a good long while (especially with Namco doing Tekken 7 & TxSF). And while sure, it didn't set Japan on fire, The Pokémon Company is positioning the game as a big eSports game (similar to what Capcom's doing for Street Fighter V, though on a slightly smaller scale). If TPC is truly in it for the long haul as far as the FGC goes, a remaster of Pokkén Tournament or a "Super" Pokkén Tournament (hey, with Capcom ditching the Super re-release model for Street Fighter V, someone has to pick up the torch) could include more characters & balance update that could help in the game's long-term competitive health.

 

[Zalman]

But isn't the point of unifying their console & handheld development teams (& possibly the platforms) to minimize software droughts caused by splitting their focus between separate console & handheld platforms?

Yes, and that will likely help them long-term. But if the E3 show floor is going to be filled with Smash, Mario Maker or other familiar games again, then I don't think you're going to surprise people. I'm just expressing a concern that there might be too many ports early on in the lifecycle.

 

[Orniletter]

I'm so so sick of her and her leaks.

Hey Emily, how about you keep your dann mouth shut and don't make Nintendo-PR's job even harder than it already is, by deflating every announcement before it actually hits ?

We've gained literally nothing aside from knowing about what's going to happen a tiny bit earlier. Literally zero. In contrast knowing about Paper Mario and now some Zelda U details in advance will make the official announcement less impactful.
You are literally working against Nintendo's better interst, probably creating an atmosphere of distrust at Treehouse and just hindering their goals.

But your ego has to be stroked I guess.

Your source should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[ozfunghi]

I don't see the point in posts like these. X is a game heavily influenced by western open world titles, maybe you don't remember this, but Takahashi said he wanted Monolith to be seen as the "oriental Bethesda" when X development began. He also said that the vast majority of japanese RPGs (those without a huge name like FF, to be clear) are made with a budget that needs to be covered with Japan sales alone. Having a mid tier budget means that they had to cut some corners and some aspects of the game weren't up to what he'd hoped: he made a few examples, like not being able to pay a team highly skilled in 3d modeling for characters, or cutscenes being "subpar". Likewise, the story wasn't as important as building a huge, rich open world with tons of quests, so Monolith used this title's particular setting and background (humanity needs to colonize a whole new planet in order to adapt and survive) to build an open world game that is in a few ways more similar to western ones, with tons of subquests and storylines related to the colonization aspect. They also started building the setting for a bigger story (which will be one of the main focuses in their next title, as Takahashi already stated) with the main quest, as you can see with its finale.

What do you not get about me thinking the game is not good due to the lack of a decent storyline or adventure? I don't care what the reason is, that it turned out the way it did. It was a huge disappointment and if this is what they intend to bring more of in the future, this will be the last of their games i will have bought.

 

[MK_768]

I'm so so sick of her and her leaks.

Hey Emily, how about you keep your dann mouth shut and don't make Nintendo-PR's job even harder than it already is, by deflating every announcement before it actually hits ?

We've gained literally nothing aside from knowing about what's going to happen a tiny bit earlier. Literally zero. In contrast knowing about Paper Mario and now some Zelda U details in advance will make the official announcement less impactful.
You are literally working against Nintendo's better interst, probably creating an atmosphere of distrust at Treehouse and just hindering their goals.

But your ego has to be stroked I guess.

Your source should be ashamed of themselves.

You are way too mad about this.

 

[MCN]

I'm so so sick of her and her leaks.

Hey Emily, how about you keep your dann mouth shut and don't make Nintendo-PR's job even harder than it already is, by deflating every announcement before it actually hits ?

We've gained literally nothing aside from knowing about what's going to happen a tiny bit earlier. Literally zero. In contrast knowing about Paper Mario and now some Zelda U details in advance will make the official announcement less impactful.
You are literally working against Nintendo's better interst, probably creating an atmosphere of distrust at Treehouse and just hindering their goals.

But your ego has to be stroked I guess.

Your source should be ashamed of themselves.

Fuck off out of a leaks thread then.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

But isn't the point of unifying their console & handheld development teams (& possibly the platforms) to minimize software droughts caused by splitting their focus between separate console & handheld platforms?

Even if they theoretically completely unified their console and hand held teams, they also added mobile development, and consider that each next gen iterative is going to be bigger in staff requirements. Mario Kart was their biggest staff production, and Zelda looks to trump that by quite a bit. So there still has to be some management and intelligent use of resources to try and proliferate the software catalog early on.

 

[RAWi]

Yeah that's what I was getting at haha. Pikmin 4 is supposedly almost done according to Miyamoto and it's clear it's coming to NX. However, it's not coming in a way like Smash and Zelda are lol. That's why I said what I said. It's not quite the same thing.

I get what you are saying. So, yeah, then Pikmin 4 may as well not be considered as pseudo-port from Wii U to NX. And, also, it was never announced for Wii U.

What about Nintendo Land for NX? I hope they are developing Nintendo Land 2 or something.

Could Pokken Tournament get a port to NX?

 

[doop_]

I'm so so sick of her and her leaks.

Hey Emily, how about you keep your dann mouth shut and don't make Nintendo-PR's job even harder than it already is, by deflating every announcement before it actually hits ?

We've gained literally nothing aside from knowing about what's going to happen a tiny bit earlier. Literally zero. In contrast knowing about Paper Mario and now some Zelda U details in advance will make the official announcement less impactful.
You are literally working against Nintendo's better interst, probably creating an atmosphere of distrust at Treehouse and just hindering their goals.

But your ego has to be stroked I guess.

Your source should be ashamed of themselves.

Do you work at Nintendo ?
If you don't like leaks leave the thread, quite simple when you think about it.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I would love for Nintendo to make a Nintendo Land 2 with online. Nintendo Land I feel was under appreciated and was a much better game than Wii Sports. I had a lot of fun with it playing with family and friends. Problem is now
I'm far away from them all so I would really need online if they made a sequel.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

I'm so so sick of her and her leaks.

Hey Emily, how about you keep your dann mouth shut and don't make Nintendo-PR's job even harder than it already is, by deflating every announcement before it actually hits ?

We've gained literally nothing aside from knowing about what's going to happen a tiny bit earlier. Literally zero. In contrast knowing about Paper Mario and now some Zelda U details in advance will make the official announcement less impactful.
You are literally working against Nintendo's better interst, probably creating an atmosphere of distrust at Treehouse and just hindering their goals.

But your ego has to be stroked I guess.

Your source should be ashamed of themselves.

Yeah, Nintendo PR has done a great job of giving us any clue whatsoever about what their plans are for the rest of the year!

EDIT: I thought this was the Zelda thread, where the sentiment could be understandable, but this is literally the NX speculation/leaks thread.

 

[Jim_Cacher]

I'm so so sick of her and her leaks.

Hey Emily, how about you keep your dann mouth shut and don't make Nintendo-PR's job even harder than it already is, by deflating every announcement before it actually hits ?

We've gained literally nothing aside from knowing about what's going to happen a tiny bit earlier. Literally zero. In contrast knowing about Paper Mario and now some Zelda U details in advance will make the official announcement less impactful.
You are literally working against Nintendo's better interst, probably creating an atmosphere of distrust at Treehouse and just hindering their goals.

But your ego has to be stroked I guess.

Your source should be ashamed of themselves.

Wow, calm down a bit. I see where you are from, and I also don't like leaks, but there is no need to be such hostile. I agree that the sources should keep their mouths shut, but I also understand some people may like to read leaks as the wait is quite, frankly speaking, unbearable. Now I just hope the insiders and leakers will constraint from talking too much. Surprises are being spoiled, even they may be part of the fun for waiting.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

So, yeah, then Pikmin 4 may as well not be considered as pseudo-port from Wii U to NX. And, also, it was never announced for Wii U.

It's not a port by any real definition. Most launch games on any console started prototype and early development on another hardware.

What about Nintendo Land for NX? I hope they are developing Nintendo Land 2 or something.

Nintendo broke up the team and most the programmers were working on those GARAGE concept titles (Splatoon, Star Fox, Guard, Giant Robot, and the ones Miyamoto mentioned but were never shown). It's likely Nintendo grabs a few of those projects and releases a new mini-game concept title out of it. Or maybe they grab one in particular and release another fun but shallow budget title to pad the launch line up.

 

[jonno394]

I'm so so sick of her and her leaks.

Hey Emily, how about you keep your dann mouth shut and don't make Nintendo-PR's job even harder than it already is, by deflating every announcement before it actually hits ?

We've gained literally nothing aside from knowing about what's going to happen a tiny bit earlier. Literally zero. In contrast knowing about Paper Mario and now some Zelda U details in advance will make the official announcement less impactful.
You are literally working against Nintendo's better interst, probably creating an atmosphere of distrust at Treehouse and just hindering their goals.

But your ego has to be stroked I guess.

Your source should be ashamed of themselves.

The insatiability of fans and the demand for information, and the interest we have in leaks/rumours, goes some way to showing that Nintendos communication (or lack thereof) just isn't good enough.

 

[Anarky]

I'm so so sick of her and her leaks.

Hey Emily, how about you keep your dann mouth shut and don't make Nintendo-PR's job even harder than it already is, by deflating every announcement before it actually hits ?

We've gained literally nothing aside from knowing about what's going to happen a tiny bit earlier. Literally zero. In contrast knowing about Paper Mario and now some Zelda U details in advance will make the official announcement less impactful.
You are literally working against Nintendo's better interst, probably creating an atmosphere of distrust at Treehouse and just hindering their goals.

But your ego has to be stroked I guess.

Your source should be ashamed of themselves.

If you hate leaks so much then just leave the thread. No one's putting a gun to your head.

 

[Rodin]

Pokkén Tournament was JUST released a month ago, so I doubt that we'd get a bigger & better sequel for a good long while (especially with Namco doing Tekken 7 & TxSF). And while sure, it didn't set Japan on fire, The Pokémon Company is positioning the game as a big eSports game (similar to what Capcom's doing for Street Fighter V, though on a slightly smaller scale). If TPC is truly in it for the long haul as far as the FGC goes, a remaster of Pokkén Tournament or a "Super" Pokkén Tournament (hey, with Capcom ditching the Super re-release model for Street Fighter V, someone has to pick up the torch) could include more characters & balance update that could help in the game's long-term competitive health.

Yeah, maybe. Like i said, i'm open to the possibility. It really comes down to Nintendo (and TPC) wanting to add Pokkén to their list of eSports games now, or taking their time to try again with a better game in a few years. A bigger re-release could work too, especially if they add characters to the Wii U version and the competitive scene likes the game. Let's see how things go from here.

 

[Orniletter]

Do you work at Nintendo.
If you don't like leaks leave the thread, quite simple when you think about it.

Yeah, it's so easy to avoid those if threads are literally named after her leaks.

She claims to like Nintendo, or is even rooting for them to do well (i've read numerous of her articles that claimed as much).

But Then goes out of her way to damage their reveal plans.
Again, for literally nothing aside of knowing about shit a week earlier in the most dry, deflating and impactless fashion possible...a tweet.
Worse even, it gives people time to create an image in their minds, and if the official announcements don't measure up, we end with more pushback than we've had if the game was announced as Nintendo wanted (as we've seen with the last direct).

Edit: Oh, this was meant to land in the Zelda thread.
Apologies, this is irrelevant to the NX stuff.

 

[Pancakes R Us]

You are wrong. You are extrapolating Wii U sales as the ultimate number of "core Nintendo fans" which actually isn't true. A lot of game fans / Nintendo fans were on the fence with the Wii U and several consoles and even more games didn't sell because of it. Take me for example, I'm a hardcore Nintendo fan and I don't own Splatoon or Super Mario Maker DX for example. There was a barrier between me and those games, and that was my disinterest in the Wii U hardware. The NX may change that hopefully.

Whilst I don't think the Wii U is exactly the ultimate number of core Nintendo home console fans, I think it's pretty close give or take a million or two. Where are your 'a lot of game / Nintendo fans on the fence' numbers from? Is this an opinion? Anecdotal evidence? Who's to say that outside of a small number of these people that could come back, that a big chunk won't bother? Who's to say that these people you're referring to even represent a significant number? We could have said the same thing for SNES to N64 to GC, but each time the numbers kept falling off. People have a lot more choice now. Also, just to make it clear, I'm talking about core Nintendo fans willing to invest in a home console, not a portable. I'd like this train of thought to be completely wrong, but if we get another Smash/Kart/Mario platformer console, I really don't see much changing. I'm already of the opinion that most people won't bother buying things like COD and other games that have a big user base on the MS/Sony consoles. And that's okay from my point of view, I don't think Nintendo should spend significant amounts of money chasing those games. I think the key lies in creating new hits like Splatoon. Branch out.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Yeah, it's so easy to avoid those if threads are literally named after her leaks.

She claims to like Nintendo, or is even rooting for them to do well (i've read numerous of her articles that claimed as much).

But Then goes out of her way to damage their reveal plans.
Again, for literally nothing aside of knowing about shit a week earlier in the most dry, deflating and impactless fashion possible...a tweet.
Worse even, it gives people time to create an image in their minds, and if the official announcements don't measure up, we end with more pushback than we've had if the game was announced as Nintendo wanted (as we've seen with the last direct).

The only reason so many leaks have been happening lately is because Nintendo has been completely silent.

Many people are frustrated. They want to have an idea of what the console makers' plans for the year are so they can budget their time and money accordingly, and this holiday looks especially competitive with VR, potential upgraded hardware, and the inevitable price cuts. Sony and Microsoft have been communicating pretty clearly and have a fairly consistent lineup of games throughout the year.

With Nintendo, we know virtually nothing of their plans after June this year. And even then, we didn't know about anything past March until last month. This has been going on since E3 last year. With many people dissatisfied by their output in 2015 and 2016 and itching for news on what they have next, the lack of communication is beyond frustrating, and apparently even people on the inside are bugged by it (I think Trev's source said they did it as a way to kind of rebel against Nintendo's silence, or maybe that was speculation?).

That is why leaks are happening. Because Nintendo is not communicating with the people interested in buying their products, and these people are thirsty. It's a grey area, but that's what it comes down to.

Creating preconceived notions regarding upcoming games and hardware would happen anyway with things like Zelda. At the very least, if what Emily Rogers says is true, it gives us a clearer idea than what we had before and at least allows us to temper or adjust things.

 

[MK_768]

Yeah, it's so easy to avoid those if threads are literally named after her leaks.

She claims to like Nintendo, or is even rooting for them to do well (i've read numerous of her articles that claimed as much).

But Then goes out of her way to damage their reveal plans.
Again, for literally nothing aside of knowing about shit a week earlier in the most dry, deflating and impactless fashion possible...a tweet.
Worse even, it gives people time to create an image in their minds, and if the official announcements don't measure up, we end with more pushback than we've had if the game was announced as Nintendo wanted (as we've seen with the last direct).

Edit: Oh, this was meant to land in the Zelda thread.
Apologies, this is irrelevant to the NX stuff.

If you go to California, your tears may help out with the drought.

 

[doop_]

Yeah, it's so easy to avoid those if threads are literally named after her leaks.

She claims to like Nintendo, or is even rooting for them to do well (i've read numerous of her articles that claimed as much).

But Then goes out of her way to damage their reveal plans.
Again, for literally nothing aside of knowing about shit a week earlier in the most dry, deflating and impactless fashion possible...a tweet.
Worse even, it gives people time to create an image in their minds, and if the official announcements don't measure up, we end with more pushback than we've had if the game was announced as Nintendo wanted (as we've seen with the last direct).

Edit: Oh, this was meant to land in the Zelda thread.
Apologies, this is irrelevant to the NX stuff.

She is a Nintendo fan like any of us, she just wants to generate some hype. Her comments don't even give away much. I feel like many of us including me would do what she is doing and regarding your last point, what do other people's opinions matter to you.

 

[Hero of Legend]

Yeah, it's so easy to avoid those if threads are literally named after her leaks.

She claims to like Nintendo, or is even rooting for them to do well (i've read numerous of her articles that claimed as much).

But Then goes out of her way to damage their reveal plans.
Again, for literally nothing aside of knowing about shit a week earlier in the most dry, deflating and impactless fashion possible...a tweet.
Worse even, it gives people time to create an image in their minds, and if the official announcements don't measure up, we end with more pushback than we've had if the game was announced as Nintendo wanted (as we've seen with the last direct).

Edit: Oh, this was meant to land in the Zelda thread.
Apologies, this is irrelevant to the NX stuff.

I see what you mean and I personally would prefer the announcements be out of nowhere, but they're good for discussions nonetheless.

On rare occasions, I think leaks can actually be beneficial. For example Sun and Moon, I feel that knowing them in advance made us feel more prepared for the eventual crushing disappointment of them being 3DS games yet again, rather than early NX games (not everyone feels this, but a lot do), and also of how horrifically bland the announcement was in the end.

I think the backlash would've been even bigger if they were out of nowhere personally. You know?

 

[Oddduck]

I'm so so sick of her and her leaks.

Hey Emily, how about you keep your dann mouth shut and don't make Nintendo-PR's job even harder than it already is, by deflating every announcement before it actually hits ?

We've gained literally nothing aside from knowing about what's going to happen a tiny bit earlier. Literally zero. In contrast knowing about Paper Mario and now some Zelda U details in advance will make the official announcement less impactful.
You are literally working against Nintendo's better interst, probably creating an atmosphere of distrust at Treehouse and just hindering their goals.

But your ego has to be stroked I guess.

Your source should be ashamed of themselves.

I don't see how her Zelda U details would make the announcement for Zelda U less impactful.

We still don't know jack shit about that game. We don't have even know what the game's title is.

 

[blu]

Sounds romantic. What's her name?

Lola

Spoiler

T70 mk3b

It's a relatively short document, and not too advanced. I can post the conclusion:

I wonder though if Nintendo could go with something more exotic like Z-RAM (due to AMD involvement), but that technology isn't too mature I think.

I think they'll either go edram@28nm or *takes a deep breath* go 1GB HBM. .. At least ps4k might use some.

As Z-RAM has yet to appear in any products by this point, I very much doubt we'll ever see it. I'd take the same philosophy to 28nm eDRAM. There were a few comments by Renesas about planned 28nm eDRAM around 2010, but the fact that we haven't seen any four years in to the node, it's likely that there simply weren't enough customers to make it commercially viable. Nowadays pretty much the only companies you'll see researching eDRAM are Intel and IBM, because they don't need customers for it, it's all for their own chips.

Low demand for edram is apparently a factor, but both intel and IBM make fairly good use of the tech, so it's more a matter of product justification. I think nintendo are perfectly capable of being a viable customer for the tech. Of course, the question remains if they would go TSMC over GloFo.

 

[thefro]

Even if they theoretically completely unified their console and hand held teams, they also added mobile development, and consider that each next gen iterative is going to be bigger in staff requirements. Mario Kart was their biggest staff production, and Zelda looks to trump that by quite a bit. So there still has to be some management and intelligent use of resources to try and proliferate the software catalog early on.

They're still going to need a few other partnerships on top of that to fill out their first party release schedule, particularly if you look ahead to 2017/2018.

 

[Nightbird]

The only reason so many leaks have been happening lately is because Nintendo has been completely silent.

Many people are frustrated. They want to have an idea of what the console makers' plans for the year are so they can budget their time and money accordingly, and this holiday looks especially competitive with VR, potential upgraded hardware, and the inevitable price cuts. Sony and Microsoft have been communicating pretty clearly and have a fairly consistent lineup of games throughout the year.

With Nintendo, we know virtually nothing of their plans after June this year. And even then, we didn't know about anything past March until last month. This has been going on since E3 last year. With many people dissatisfied by their output in 2015 and 2016 and itching for news on what they have next, the lack of communication is beyond frustrating, and apparently even people on the inside are bugged by it (I think Trev's source said they did it as a way to kind of rebel against Nintendo's silence, or maybe that was speculation?).

That is why leaks are happening. Because Nintendo is not communicating with the people interested in buying their products, and these people are thirsty. It's a grey area, but that's what it comes down to.

Creating preconceived notions regarding upcoming games and hardware would happen anyway with things like Zelda. At the very least, if what Emily Rogers says is true, it gives us a clearer idea than what we had before and at least allows us to temper or adjust things.

10/10.

Its Nintendo's fault that we have to rely on leaks to know what the fuck is going on. They need to improve their communication.

 

[ultrazilla]

I reckon Star Fox is a possibility as it was one area that Miyamoto referred to the CPU bottleneck...1080p @ 60fps with extra effects like AA.

But let's see.

Dead on mate!

Odds of it being a special edition of Starfox just make sense imho.

 

[J@hranimo]

I'm so so sick of her and her leaks.

Hey Emily, how about you keep your dann mouth shut and don't make Nintendo-PR's job even harder than it already is, by deflating every announcement before it actually hits ?

We've gained literally nothing aside from knowing about what's going to happen a tiny bit earlier. Literally zero. In contrast knowing about Paper Mario and now some Zelda U details in advance will make the official announcement less impactful.
You are literally working against Nintendo's better interst, probably creating an atmosphere of distrust at Treehouse and just hindering their goals.

But your ego has to be stroked I guess.

Your source should be ashamed of themselves.

Did you have your coffee?

EDIT: Saw your edit, gotcha

...

This port discussion doesn't sound too stupid so I'll chime in. I can definitely see Mario Maker and Smash being sure ports for NX Launch. It makes sense, keeps those games healthy. We already know about Zelda, not much to say there.

Splatoon on one hand could get a port but they'd have to really change some parts of the game around to feel more complete with all the content included now. The local Battle Dojo mode could be revamped to include all the currents maps running at 60fps instead of the 30fps they have now. They could be a decent selling point especially for those that still enjoy local multiplayer. Also they could have more single player levels. They could do much more to feel more complete as a full purchase instead of how we got it May last year + added content over time. That would get me to jump right into the NX Day 1 since I play this so much along with the SplatGAF Community.

Although I do think a full fledged sequel would have more of an impression with the power of the system plus showing how the game progresses and improves. That would probably be a better way to go about the Splatoon IP on the next generation system. That could bring the 4+ million into it when the inevitable sequel releases.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

10/10.

Its Nintendo's fault that we have to rely on leaks to know what the fuck is going on. They need to improve their communication.

Yup.

Nintendo can't get mad at people ruining their announcements if they aren't making announcements.

Smash Bros. leaks for example, were annoying since the actual news was RIGHT around the corner. So there was no point in stuff leaking if we were going to know in a few days anyway.

Leaks like these are the most we've got out of Nintendo in months, and the most we will get for months since at this rate it looks like they really are just waiting until E3.

 

[DNAbro]

I'm so so sick of her and her leaks.

Hey Emily, how about you keep your dann mouth shut and don't make Nintendo-PR's job even harder than it already is, by deflating every announcement before it actually hits ?

We've gained literally nothing aside from knowing about what's going to happen a tiny bit earlier. Literally zero. In contrast knowing about Paper Mario and now some Zelda U details in advance will make the official announcement less impactful.
You are literally working against Nintendo's better interst, probably creating an atmosphere of distrust at Treehouse and just hindering their goals.

But your ego has to be stroked I guess.

Your source should be ashamed of themselves.

it ain't that serious

 

[bachikarn]

All this port stuff, if true, is rather silly on Nintendo's part. For people that missed out on Wii U? The core Nintendo base buys Nintendo systems on launch, and the majority of them will have owned and played those games on Wii U.

One would hope that there are a lot more original games, of the same level as the ports, in development.

Is that necessarily true? I still think the 'lapsed Nintendo fan' theory holds true and there are a lot of Nintendo core fans that skipped out on the Wii U. I know I did. GCN sold 20M and the Wii U 12M. I think it is reasonable to assume that there are at least a lot of casual Nintendo fans that Nintendo could get back for the NX.

Whilst I don't think the Wii U is exactly the ultimate number of core Nintendo home console fans, I think it's pretty close give or take a million or two. Where are your 'a lot of game / Nintendo fans on the fence' numbers from? Is this an opinion? Anecdotal evidence? Who's to say that outside of a small number of these people that could come back, that a big chunk won't bother? Who's to say that these people you're referring to even represent a significant number? We could have said the same thing for SNES to N64 to GC, but each time the numbers kept falling off. People have a lot more choice now. Also, just to make it clear, I'm talking about core Nintendo fans willing to invest in a home console, not a portable. I'd like this train of thought to be completely wrong, but if we get another Smash/Kart/Mario platformer console, I really don't see much changing. I'm already of the opinion that most people won't bother buying things like COD and other games that have a big user base on the MS/Sony consoles. And that's okay from my point of view, I don't think Nintendo should spend significant amounts of money chasing those games. I think the key lies in creating new hits like Splatoon. Branch out.

There is no proof either way. I just know the Wii U was generally an unappealing product and it's wrong to assume that all Nintendo fans would get it just cause. Releasing Wii U ports of good games to help make the library bigger for NX owners who skipped on the Wii U is a smart idea. I literally can't think of any drawbacks if they are outsourcing the port jobs.

 

[maxcriden]

Man, there has been some really good discussion. Bear with me please because I'm catching up on several pages from overnight....

Port Rumors/Confirms

Judging from the tweets, Smash seems like the 2nd likely title. I would guess Xenoblade X is another, it would be an obvious title for the extra power of the NX.

Super Mario Maker DX is the easiest choice. Smash, Splatoon, and even Mario Kart 8 all make sense because they have a highly active online communities. For those that say that Mario Kart 9 or Splatoon 2 are on the way, I don't think that's anytime soon with the big games Nintendo has in full production right now. This new Zelda, that new Mario or 3D action title at Tokyo, and then Pikmin 4 and whatever concept mini-game title they have cooking, that alone wipes away all their 3D artists.

Hey, guys, I spoke to Emily Rogers and she says Shikamaru Ninja's predictions are the closest so far. Zelda and Smash Bros are two of the four Wii U ports coming to NX. Shikamaru Ninja named two of the other four games.
Also, Instro's post is 👌👌👌

Spoiler

except he got one wrong

So its Smash Bros, Zelda, and either Xenoblade or Mario Maker

I wanted to reply directly to the Emily Rogers rumor/confirm posts first. I think I misunderstood. Didn't Instro name only two titles? So from his we know Smash or XCX are right. Did I miss another Instro post where he named more titles?

James, you said "SN named two of the other four games." But you meant he named two of the other two games, right? He named MM, SSB, Splatoon and MK8. If Zelda and Smash are two, then the other two are two of MM, Splatoon and MK8. Am I understanding correctly?

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DK

Yeah.

Smash was confirmed by Serkan Toto.
Zelda is confirmed by multiple people.

These next two guesses are based on the fact that they were either expensive to make and/or didn't sell enough like their predecessors.

Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze
Xenoblade Chronicles X

So those are my four.

Splatoon didn't take long to make and I can see Splatoon 2 being ready in 2017 or early 2018.

Mario Kart 9 is on track for 2017 so there's no reason to port over MK8.

Hyrule Warriors with all dlc might be a potential candidate.

Minecraft is a no brainer though but I think the Wii U games being mentioned are Wii U exclusives.

No one is going to do anything with DKCTF at most its going to a handheld

I agree the games mentioned are exclusives. I do think DKTF should get a port sometime for sure since it reached such a tiny audience, but given how it wasn't a system seller--it seems like the ports are all system sellers--I'm not expecting it to get a port imminently at least, though perhaps primarily a HH one as Mihael and others have said could be more imminent. All these ports mean BC is increasingly unlikely, I think.

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Racers at the Ready

Do you see them having another racer ready for year 1 that's not MK?

Maybe Retro Studios or one of their contract studios are making that niche Nintendo franchise racer for launch. Before the Wii U, Nintendo always loved launching their consoles with a first-party racing game.

But I'm not confident Mario Kart 8 DX is an NX candidate, but I'm also saying that I don't think Mario Kart 9 has any shot of hitting before Spring 2018. Which is why these AAA Wii U ports make sense, because they sort of fill quick gaps and don't require large art teams - which is going to be a problem with the first-party games Nintendo has in full production already.

I just wanted to mention I'd be so thrilled if the niche Nintendo racer happened as a DKR2 as rumored. Man. That would be incredible, especially with a DKR-style adventure mode. I will never stop wanting that till it happens.

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Mario Maker

Sorry, I thought they meant the WiiU game as it is right now.

Nintendo could probably make a decent alternate control scheme. Maybe even a Smartglass like setup with your phone or tablet.

It could be the center piece of their smartphone second screen experience to replace the gamepad. Anyone buying an NX would likely have a smartphone.

Actually I totally forgot about Mario maker but if the screen controller is supposed to be optional this time around, I don't see that game working well on nx (unless it comes bundled with a screen controller). That's why I choose DK. That game sold around 1M when Returns sold over 6M. Nintendo expected more and it would be a quick and simple game to port over at 1080p60 (it's already at 720p60).

Nintendo would have no problem releasing a free app on IOS/Android where you can design levels on your phone or tablet, and upload them to your account.

Here's where I sit on the SmartGlass idea. I believe if MM comes to NX, NX will have its own excellent control scheme for making levels on the console (and potentially HH), whether or not the NX console has a screen in the controller. Though an app is entirely possible, I don't think it will be the primary way to make levels. If anything I could see it being a secondary experience on the go for those with access only to a smartphone and not an NX HH. I will say about the second screen rumor, even if it's correct I don't think it was necessarily meaning SG as opposed to HH interaction or a screen in the NX console controller. I didn't get the sense it specified either way but someone please do correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, I'm skeptical that Nintendo is keen on allowing SG as a primary method of control or input for any of their console games, simply because (a) IIRC they've delineated that mobile games, will they may interact with other Nintendo games (I think this was indicated by Nintendo IIRC), will be their own experience different from the games you get on proprietary Nintendo systems and (b) I don't see Nintendo allowing for such variation in how people experience their console games in terms of controllers. They allow for many controllers in some games, but the intention is only for many different Nintendo-created controllers. If it's a touchscreen-only game through SG ... (and I'm skeptical Nintendo will make many of those since look how Kirby went over with people not being able to see the TV at the same time as the HH)... Nintendo has less control over how well that works vs. with their own controllers. If it's not a touchscreen-only controller it doesn't seem Nintendo's style to allow such variation in how their games are played and...the whole thing just seems odd to me and in opposition to Nintendo's philosophies about game play. I'm primarily thinking of active SG interaction with a game here.

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Paper Mario

Ohhhh good pickup. Would have to be a near certainty given how little we have heard.

This game is going to be a spectacular bomb on Wii U isn't it? NX would make sense if not simply to give it attention.

My only hesitation in thinking Paper Mario: Color Splash will be cross-platform is (a) it relies so heavily on the GamePad for the coloring and splashing and such. And (b) I think Nintendo may want to throw Wii U only owners a single exclusive this holiday.

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Miscellaneous

Well internally, like Nintendo's main Kyoto and Tokyo offices, we probably have three certainties.

1. The Legend of Zelda
2. "3D action title from Tokyo office"
3. Pikmin 4

Then you have to figure that they will also have another mini-game concept title at launch.

I wonder if the mini-game concept title will be a new IP or more classic Nintendo-centric again like Nintendo Land. I'm very curious to see where they'll go with it this time.

Ah, I also wanted to ask that if HH games will still have their own dedicated internal teams, isn't it entirely possible plenty of HH exclusive games are being developed as well? I.e. SML3D2, new top-down Zelda, etc. (I'm imagining AC will be cross-platform perhaps.)

New titles, definitive Wii U ports, remasters of 'other stuff' and a solid VC lineup (ideally everything we have now + more) would be very exciting launch.

My hope for VC is that as previously indicated they do fold in the VC architecture from Wii U into NX, and when they do, that they bring along every Wii U VC game day one. I don't think one more drip feed is a great idea if they can avoid it.

BTW, what do you mean by "remasters of 'other stuff" here?

Well the 3D action title from Tokyo office could be 3D Mario, or the team could pull a rabbit out of a hat with a new character title.

If the 3D action title from EPD Tokyo is not a 3D Mario, surely someone else is working on one. Imagine if it turned out Retro was doing the flagship 3D Mario game. That'd be something.

Hoping for Zelda, Mario and Metroid during launch window....but we will get Nintendoland 2, Mario Maker nx and Miitomo home edition.

Spoken like someone who never played much of the extraordinarily content-packed love letter to Nintendo that is Nintendo Land. I would absolutely love a sequel, though I don't know if it will reach wide success so I'm not sure if it should be a launch title.

I dont think is a good idea to release many ports, atleast not on release date

What does it matter if they have new games too? Xbox one and PS4 has a bunch of old ports 1st and 3rd party

Ports help build the library, at least these wont be crappy ports, they will most likely improve on the original release

Do you want a WiiU situation where it was nothing to play for like 6 months after the launch games

My two cents is that ports don't do any harm so long as there is plenty of original content as well. When I start to raise an eyebrow is when the majority of content is ports. However, if ports are going to be playable on the NX HH as well, that at least adds an entirely different dimension to them (and to show I'm playing fair, haha, I would absolutely say the same about Sly 1-3 being cross-play on Vita, for example).

 

[ShadowFox08]

I don't understand how people think we're getting a splatoon sequel this early. I can see a 2018-2019 at the very earliest.

 

[Rodin]

Didn't Instro name only two titles? So from his we know Smash or XCX are right. Did I miss another Instro post where he named more titles?

This one maybe

Yeah the more I think about, assuming what she is saying is true, the 4 should be this:

Zelda- All but official
Smash- Heavily rumored
Xenoblade X- Big open world game that would benefit greatly from additional power. Could use additional sales and could do well as a launch window title.
Mario Maker- Full new game isn't really needed for a while, they can build off the existing game and add additional content through updates and DLC. Might actually be really good as a packin, especially if there is no traditional Mario available for launch or near launch.

But then she said that while she only knows of 4, there are more coming. So maybe these are all correct.

 

[Xiao Hu]

Talking about racers, I would love Nintendo to dip a toe inside the rally genre. Nothing too complicated or sim like, just good old adrenaline inducing fast action with lots of vehicles around the world. To put the cherry on the top of it perhaps include a down to earth story mode about rivalry or a racing team seeking the glory of long but past days.

 

[ShadowFox08]

Look at Mario Kart's release schedule, there is a new one like clockwork about every 3 years.
DD 2003 -> DS 2005 -> Wii 2008 -> 7 2011 -> 8 2014

I think it will be their big holiday 2017 game.

Its been 6 years per generation in respect to being on handheld or console only. I can see a portable version to release in 2017, but not on the console.

 

[ultrazilla]

NeoGAF ninjas, what are the chances Nintendo themselves adopt/use Unreal Engine 4 for some of their i.p.s like Splatoon, Mario, Zelda? Man, those would look brilliant!

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Look at Mario Kart's release schedule, there is a new one like clockwork about every 3 years.
DD 2003 -> DS 2005 -> Wii 2008 -> 7 2011 -> 8 2014

I think it will be their big holiday 2017 game.

Mario Kart 8+ was in development until September 2015.

NeoGAF ninjas, what are the chances Nintendo themselves adopt/use Unreal Engine 4 for some of their i.p.s like Splatoon, Mario, Zelda? Man, those would look brilliant!

Zero.

 

[wonderful103]

NeoGAF ninjas, what are the chances Nintendo themselves adopt/use Unreal Engine 4 for some of their i.p.s like Splatoon, Mario, Zelda? Man, those would look brilliant!

None, but it's not the engine that makes a game look good or bad anyway

 

[beril]

I don't understand how people think we're getting a splatoon sequel this early. I can see a 2018-2019 at the very earliest.

The first game had a pretty short dev cycle. Sure the sequel should ideally launch with way more content, but they can also reuse a lot of stuff now. Either way it shouldn't take 3-4 years.

I'd be shocked if Splatoon 2 isn't at least teased during the NX reveal and then released within the first year. They should have greenlit the sequel as soon as the game was released, and when the game was still topping the charts months later they should pretty much have dropped everything else and put every available resource into making sure they can get it out as early in the NX life as possible.

 

[ultrazilla]

Mario Kart 8+ was in development until September 2015.



Zero.

Thanks Ninja!

Nintendo's engines are pretty ace anyways