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WTF this “It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,” means??

could be the Neo just an external graphics card for the ps4 or something? otherwise I don't know why would the neo sit alongside the ps4... if it's suposed to render it useless...

They will sell both and both will play the same games and the PS4 Neo will just be a more powerful model for those willing to spend more.

(They don't mean it will literally sit next to a PS4.)

 

[dead monkey uk]

We have a product for people like you its called 'Twitter'

Keep up the good fight

 

[Jln1221]

I like how you spent all that time and willfully left out all of my posts with legitimate arguments. way to go!

 

[Dangansona]

WTF this “It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,” means??

could be the Neo just an external graphics card for the ps4 or something? otherwise I don't know why would the neo sit alongside the ps4... if it's suposed to render it useless...

This is why we need a thirty minute press conference about this thing because no matter what the rumors leaks and brief statements say, they will be misinterpreted.

Compliment as in not outright replace. They will be two skus for the "PS4 experience" like we've known all along.

 

[Otnopolit]

A part of me doesn't mind, because we pretty much know every detail about the hardware itself besides price and release date.

Also, if the PS4K isn't ready, I doubt we'll see Scorpio either since it's not as far along in development, right?

 

[Pandy]

More so talking about this line:

"I've has very little value out of my PS4 so far, and while that should change in the later part of the year with some of the scheduled releases, I'm far more likely to make PS4 my last Sony machine than throw more money at them."

Which has nothing to do with anything. Sony has said neo is aimed at the hardcore users, they know not everyone is going to be onboard..soo what's the issue?

I was responding to a comment about core gamers being keen for Neo. I was questioning why, even if you've had a positive experience, you would have mentally commited to buying one when you already have a PS4.

I'm further along that process mentally with NX, and perhaps even Scorpio, because whatever it is you can maybe assume that there will be unique games there that won't exist on your old system. Apparently we've been assured this isn't the case for the Neo, 'core gamers' have no idea what the benefits will actually manifest as, but are somehow supposed to be all onboard.

If you're a 'core movie watcher', then yeah, I can see the appeal at this early stage.

 

[Calm Mind]

If an expected price drop is coming, it will be announced at Gamescom. If what House says is true about the Neo being "high end", I expect it to go for at least $499 USD. Pretty much in line with Sony's pricing of the PSVR.

PS4 (after expected price drop) - $299
PSVR -$399 (minus accessories)
PS4K/Neo - minimum $499

 

[DieH@rd]

There will probably be a price cut when Neo releases.

I expect new price cut during same time like last year. Sometimes during September, on the same day as some notable bundled game release.

If an expected price drop is coming, it will be announced at Gamescom. If what House says is true about the Neo being "high end", I expect it to go for at least $499 USD. Pretty much in line with Sony's pricing of the PSVR.

PS4 (after expected price drop) - $299
PSVR -$399 (minus accessories)
PS4K/Neo - minimum $399

fixed [with Neo being achieved by only adding new APU and nothing else being changed [ram can be clocked]].

 

[Audioboxer]

I like how you spent all that time and willfully left out all of my posts with legitimate arguments. way to go!

It wasn't about what legitimate arguments you've made, but all the other fluff calling out GAF and being a little rude to some members. If you don't want to feel people shit on you, don't shit on others first (GAF hivemind/use your brain/stop posting/etc).

 

[Azalean]

I knew it wasn't going to be at E3, they weren't going to cannibalize current PS4 sales. I'm am surprised that they confirmed it's existence already though.

 

[icespide]

Sarcasm or falafel?

sarcasm

 

[LUXURY]

Compliment the original?! I cackled at that one.

 

[dead monkey uk]

If an expected price drop is coming, it will be announced at Gamescom. If what House says is true about the Neo being "high end", I expect it to go for at least $499 USD. Pretty much in line with Sony's pricing of the PSVR.

PS4 (after expected price drop) - $299
PSVR -$399 (minus accessories)
PS4K/Neo - minimum $499

I think the Neo will be cheaper than that, I think they will aim for $399. Polaris tech seems to have come in cheaper than expected.

 

[RootCause]

If an expected price drop is coming, it will be announced at Gamescom. If what House says is true about the Neo being "high end", I expect it to go for at least $499 USD. Pretty much in line with Sony's pricing of the PSVR.

PS4 (after expected price drop) - $299
PSVR -$399 (minus accessories)
PS4K/Neo - minimum $499

$500 seems like a lot, granted, we don't know all the changes, but yikes. :0

 

[Clear]

I doubt it'll be more than $399. They'll want to slot it in at the PS4's launch price-point.

 

[Jln1221]

It wasn't about what legitimate arguments you've made, but all the other fluff calling out GAF and being a little rude to some members. If you don't want to feel people shit on you, don't shit on others first (GAF hivemind/use your brain/stop posting/etc).

Didn't do it first at all. Only in response. No idea why you have a vendetta against a Junior Member.

 

[bananafactory]

Pretty much what expected all along. It's a premium model for the hardcore and not intended to replace the current one. Smart move.

 

[2+2=5]

So No PS4K, no NX and probably no XBNext, lots of things were already shown these days... I wonder how good this E3 will be at this point...

 

[HerroRygar]

Womp. I just want to know if I can play the best version of FFXV on 9/30, or if I have to wait. 😞

 

[AngelOFDeath]

I am glad they won't show it at E3, but just want some news about it, itching to know whats under the hood

 

[DeepEnigma]

WTF this “It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,” means??

could be the Neo just an external graphics card for the ps4 or something? otherwise I don't know why would the neo sit alongside the ps4... if it's suposed to render it useless...

Sit alongside the current model on the store shelves. Complement means to add to, make more complete/perfect.

Not literal in your household.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Aww i mean i knew it was real but still now my psvr buy is most likely on hold.

Or you could just enjoy it on the regular PS4 till the PS4K comes out?

 

[jdmonmou]

PSVR games will fail cert if they aren't a consistent 60 fps

I think there will be significant differences for VR games between the PS4 and NEO versions despite the mandate. FPS is one thing, but I'd bet there will be a huge difference in the resolution. I'm just making the point that it wasn't good timing for Sony to unveil PS VR prior to the NEO.

 

[TwoDurans]

" All games will continue to support the standard PS4 and House anticipates that "all or a very large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4.""

What does that mean? There are games it potentially won't be able to play? Dafuq?

 

[Audioboxer]

Womp. I just want to know if I can play the best version of FFXV on 9/30, or if I have to wait. 😞

If we've not heard anything by then it's totally 2017. In which case play FF15 immediately! Good luck trying to hold off to 2017 to play it lol.

 

[Averon]

Didn't Sony say they are aiming to sell 20 million PS4's this fiscal year? I imagine a good chunk of that 20 million is from holiday sales of the PS4K.

 

[Kibbles]

Just like every other e3 with no new hardware announcements right?

Last years e3 was so lame...

I only care for Battlfield 1 (which I'll get on PC cause Im not dealing with 720p BS) anD MW Remaster this year. None of the titles that insiders have been posting excite me. I'm a Halo guy but I don't like Halo Wars so unless they have something else on that front that's a disappointment to me. I'm sick of Gears and Forza, and I literally just sold my PS4 to GameStop because none of my friends play on it.

Yeah my tastes are pretty limited to shoot bang FPS now but I don't really have or want to invest the time into playing RPG games or the like.

 

[MogCakes]

Pretty much how I am interpreting it so far. Locking people into your ecosystem, and not hard resetting which causes risk, and less profit/growth. I suspect this will be the norm moving forward, since you need to add more power interim at the current cost/profit model. Gone are the days of cutting edge super beasts at launch.

Makes sense to have introduced the Neo from that perspective. It's no longer a risk so much as a necessity to bring in the new business model and work around chipset changes.

 

[JamesAR15]

" All games will continue to support the standard PS4 and House anticipates that "all or a very large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4.""

What does that mean? There are games it potentially won't be able to play? Dafuq?

I take that to mean all or a very large majority will have "Neo mode".

 

[dead monkey uk]

" All games will continue to support the standard PS4 and House anticipates that "all or a very large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4.""

What does that mean? There are games it potentially won't be able to play? Dafuq?

No, he means some games may not take advantage of the Neo's extra power, but will still play the game the same as the PS4. I would think a lot of games (especially indies) will be the same on both.

 

[KinofChaos]

I was responding to a comment about core gamers being keen for Neo. I was questioning why, even if you've had a positive experience, you would have mentally commited to buying one when you already have a PS4.

I'm further along that process mentally with NX, and perhaps even Scorpio, because whatever it is you can maybe assume that there will be unique games there that won't exist on your old system. Apparently we've been assured this isn't the case for the Neo, 'core gamers' have no idea what the benefits will actually manifest as, but are somehow supposed to be all onboard.

If you're a 'core movie watcher', then yeah, I can see the appeal at this early stage.

Umm what? Scorpio is supposed to be the same and rumour is N is also going the same route, citation needed.


Also, being on PS4 does not in any way hamper neo, games can still leverage that extra horsepower as it is identical architecure.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I think there will be significant differences for VR games between the PS4 and NEO versions despite the mandate. FPS is one thing, but I'd bet there will be a huge difference in the resolution. I'm just making the point that it wasn't good timing for Sony to unveil PS VR prior to the NEO.

Nah, there have already been great looking games on the PS4, running native res, and the desired framerates in VR.

With VR, it comes down to art design and how well they trick your brain in believing you are there. It is am immersion factor, where even the most simplest of Vector Like graphics, have a totally different feel than your standard screen.

The 4K will allow for more effects, but you do not need Star Citizen levels in VR to feel amazed. Now one day it will be even better with that kind of graphical fidelity, of course, but it is not the same as looking at games on a rectangular box in front of you.

Makes sense to have introduced the Neo from that perspective. It's no longer a risk so much as a necessity to bring in the new business model and work around chipset changes.

Well, let us wait until Gamescon or whenever they plan on detailing it. But I would be shocked if it were any other way. All the data adds up.

No, he means some games may not take advantage of the Neo's extra power, but will still play the game the same as the PS4. I would think a lot of games (especially indies) will be the same on both.

I think the less taxing Indie games that have 4K on the PC, will be 4K on the Neo.

 

[pixellated_man]

This is going to kill the hype. No point getting excited for all these games when we still have to wait on the new system to play them on.

I swear statements like this is why Sony needs a dedicated event or at least half a conference to explain the ps4 neo. Time they simply would not have got at e3.

 

[ShiftaDeband]

"..we anticipate all or a very large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4."

Wait, what? There's a chance that not all games will work on the newer model? What!?

I see the speculation in this thread, but still, this statement is misleading and needs to be clarified.

We have a product for people like you its called 'Twitter'

I can't believe how much that quote still burns after the past couple years. Ugh.

 

[Dangansona]

" All games will continue to support the standard PS4 and House anticipates that "all or a very large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4.""

What does that mean? There are games it potentially won't be able to play? Dafuq?

That confused me at first too but now that I think about it I'm not sure there is a requirement that NEO mode is better than base mode. For instance what would towerfall ascension add in the NEO mode version?

 

[Harmen]

Makes sense, I think they want to focus on VR first.

If they do it at the same time, people may get confused/worried that the normal PS4 isn't going to cut it. They should make clear current marketing is all PS4-based, and that the huge PS4 userbase can look forward to these experiences in the quality presented.

Just look at the recent Horizon thread, unveiling the Neo too early would be a bad move in my opinion.

Wait, what? There's a chance that not all games will work on the newer model? What!?

My bet is that not all games will have a neo-mode. And maybe it is just a notion to cover any potential compatibility issues for older titles (which may require a patch or something).

I think the intention is for sure to have 100% compatibility though.

 

[Wagram]

Knew it wasn't coming at E3. Would kill sales of PS4 if they announced everything now.

 

[potatohead]

Nah, there have already been great looking games on the PS4, running native res, and the desired framerates.

With VR, it comes down to art design and how well they trick your brain in believing you are there. It is am immersion factor, where even the most simplest of graphics, have a totally different feel than your standard screen.

Could be a difference for VR in terms of one version running 90 fps, one version at 120.

Or even one at 60 x reprojected, to 90 or 120 fps on NEO (plus other extra graphics improvements). It's a possibility.

The standards will be based on the PS4 OG performance though for sure. They absolutely cannot go below 60 x reprojection on any version of a game, and PS4 will be the minimum standard for performance for VR.

 

[RoboPlato]

Wait, what? There's a chance that not all games will work on the newer model? What!?

Not all games will be upgraded for the newer hardware. You'll still be able to play them the same as on PS4.

 

[Dangansona]

Makes sense, I think they want to focus on VR first.

If they do it at the same time, people may get confused/worried that the normal PS4 isn't going to cut it. They should make clear current marketing is all PS4-based, and that the huge PS4 userbase can look forward to these experiences in the quality presented.

Just look at the recent Horizon thread, unveiling the Neo too early would be a bad move in my opinion.

Too late sadly.

 

[TheFuzz]

Too much to play, don't want it or need it now. I'm happy with this, show me more games.

 

[jmdajr]

Knew it wasn't coming at E3. Would kill sales of PS4 if they announced everything now.

How long before the general public knows?

 

[GamerJM]

This E3 is going to be weird af. The big three are all going to have new hardware looming over their heads that none of them are talking about.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Best way to announce a console.

Not surprised that it's not at E3, though. Since it won't have any exclusive games and is thus not an entirely new console, it's a bad idea to reveal it more than a couple of months before launch.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Wait, what? There's a chance that not all games will work on the newer model? What!?

I see the speculation in this thread, but still, this statement is misleading and needs to be clarified.

No, he means support extra graphical features the 4K can afford.

All games have to run on the Neo. Meaning, the same fidelity the OG has, can be on Neo, or they can take advantage of the extra horsepower, but the game cannot run worse as a side effect than the OG PS4 version.

Could be a difference for VR in terms of one version running 90 fps, one version at 120.

Or even one at 60 x reprojected, to 90 or 120 fps on NEO (plus other extra graphics improvements). It's a possibility.

The standards will be based on the PS4 OG performance though for sure. They absolutely cannot go below 60 x reprojection on any version of a game, and PS4 will be the minimum standard for performance for VR.

This is true.

All I am saying, is PSVR was built with the PS4 in mind. Games are not going to suffer, or 'run poorly' because a 4K exists (people need to throw that silly narrative in the recycle bin). Yes they can get better fidelity out of it, but once more and more try VR, they will realize, 'holy shit, even Flower/Virtua Fighter OG graphics would be immersive as fuck' if done right with controls and art design.

This E3 is going to be weird af. The big three are all going to have new hardware looming over their heads that none of them are talking about.

It is almost as if, E3 is not about the games.

 

[icespide]

Best way to announce a console.

Not surprised that it's not at E3, though. Since it won't have any exclusive games and is thus not an entirely new console, it's a bad idea to reveal it more than a couple of months before launch.

what is the best way exactly?

 

[DieH@rd]

So No PS4K, no NX and probably no XBNext, lots of things were already shown these days... I wonder how good this E3 will be at this point...

E3 without HW reveals and with tons of games showcased before pressconfs started:

/all will be fine

 

[Trago]

If this is to release next year, why would they reveal it now and kill sales of current PS4's?

I suspect a reveal in the fall will happen.

 

[Daft Punk]

I actually came in with concerns regarding Sony's announcement and continued to get shit on for being critical of Sony so then I stopped trying to argue.

Confirmation bias becomes you.

 

[dead monkey uk]

Wait, what? There's a chance that not all games will work on the newer model? What!?

I see the speculation in this thread, but still, this statement is misleading and needs to be clarified.

No it does not need clarified, the offical documents have been seen, all games now and in the future must work on both PS4 and Neo, there will be no exclusive games.

Neo-only or PS4-only games are not permitted (remember that Neo can still run unenhanced titles - developers are simply prohibited from locking out audiences of either console). http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...ion-4k-neo-and-the-original-ps4-will-co-exist