MilkyJoe
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No, their message in the video for the S is clear.
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Devs can use Scorpio's 6 teraflops however they wish(wont force 4k), says Spencer
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No, their message in the video for the S is clear.
It's good for my morning laughs.
PeskyToaster
Member
I don't know anything about this console and I don't think MS does either.
Straight Edge
Member
So the Scorpio will and won't do whatever the owner wishes?
It's almost as if they are pushing PR out there like crazy, but there's no cohesive plan decided upon behind the scenes. Much like the original launch. They will quickly squander good will this way.
Pandora012
Member
I'm confused now.
Phil's the head of Xbox. Clarity of message is kinda important.
GinoFelino
Member
So which one is it?
It's astounding. How is this happening again?
AGAIN, all Sony has to do is lean back and enjoy the show.
They get to see where MS gets their communication wrong, learn from it and announce their incremental upgrade simply and clearly, reaping the rewards once again.
MS should have just announced the Xbox One S and leave it at that.
GeordieMark
Member
Really not a great start with the messaging around Scorpio. Sounds like MS don't know themselves at this stage.
Shifty Capone1
Member
I feel like this is to the benefit of everyone. The more control to the devs the better I think. I mean look at a lot of the PC First games. Devs want to give the people who play their games the best experiences period.
kingwingin
Member
Resolution confusion 1.5 years out is waaaay worse than mandatory kinect, 24 hour drm and power discrepency 4 months before launch.
/s
JetBlackPanda
Member
You heard it here guys, let's pack it up. No reason to talk about conflicting messages coming out of gamings biggest show. I'm sorry but talking about it is what we do on GAF. Believe it or not but push back from gamers is what saved the Xbox ones disaster of a DRM solution.
We all realize they have time to fix it
Felix Lighter
Member
I've read through a bunch of articles based on the leaked documents for Neo and not one says a game's framerate cannot be increased with the addition power, in fact, I'm seeing that the Neo's framereate must meet or exceed the base model. It only mentions that Neo specific servers or Neo specific modes are prohibited. Devs may choose to limit the framerate for online play but I'm seeing nothing to mandate that based on the reporting about the documents that have been leaked.
so...I am not the only one being confused AS HELL by this new Xbox hardwares, right?
You're overreacting here.
Interfectum
Member
Yup, head of Xbox gives contradictory messaging about Scorpio, we discuss it and somehow it's our fault.
And leave the field clear for Sony to announce the Neo and have months of open 'next-next gen' PR again?
chromatic9
Member
*Should've just worn a Scorpio T-shirt*
I think we all know what the console is gonna be, the devs will do with the power as they please. But, it's embarrassing (and entertaining) to see these guys fumble like this. It should be really easy. I can't believe these guys get paid so much money and can't execute some simple messaging.
It also just doesn't give me much confidence in the whole division. Granted, I wasn't going to buy the Scorpio, anyway, but if I was considering it, this lack of competence would certainly make me stop and think twice about it.
It also just doesn't give me much confidence in the whole division. Granted, I wasn't going to buy the Scorpio, anyway, but if I was considering it, this lack of competence would certainly make me stop and think twice about it.
astroturfing
Member
im not sure who this guy is (head of MS PR?) but he needs to be replaced. he seems confused.
Zombie James
Banned
If by "people" you mean Phil Spencer, sure. Don't blame forum users for what's coming out of his mouth.
Not really. Contridictions like this do nothing but bring people back to the disastrous XB1 announcement. Scorpio is an opportunity to change the perception and the first thing they do is go right back to poor messaging.
Man all this blabbering vs Sony:
All games will be PS4 + Neo until otherwise
Your games will look totes better
They're going to have a hell of a time shifting markets even with the power though - for the vast majority of people, a Neo purchase makes more sense at the moment, even if it's underpowered relatively. MS will have problems moving them to another ecosystem for sure, nobody wants to lose access to games they've had for not that long - and I reckon PS+ will probably be fired into overdrive around then to keep people tied down.
All games will be PS4 + Neo until otherwise
Your games will look totes better
They're going to have a hell of a time shifting markets even with the power though - for the vast majority of people, a Neo purchase makes more sense at the moment, even if it's underpowered relatively. MS will have problems moving them to another ecosystem for sure, nobody wants to lose access to games they've had for not that long - and I reckon PS+ will probably be fired into overdrive around then to keep people tied down.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Sony has already given their answer:
http://www.videogamer.com/news/ps4_...on_with_an_enhanced_graphical_experience.html
I seriously hope MS is doing this as well. They said they would and then basically they said they wouldn't....
http://www.videogamer.com/news/ps4_...on_with_an_enhanced_graphical_experience.html
I seriously hope MS is doing this as well. They said they would and then basically they said they wouldn't....
Cymbal Head
Banned
What was the incentive to start talking about this now?
- You already had an Xbone revision to announce
- You clearly don't have a coherent vision of what Scorpio is meant to be
- There is no content, hard specs, or even an official name to announce
- Sony isn't talking about Neo yet
- The less said about Nintendo right now the better
Why bother bringing this to E3 to offer nothing but confusion and uncertainty?
- You already had an Xbone revision to announce
- You clearly don't have a coherent vision of what Scorpio is meant to be
- There is no content, hard specs, or even an official name to announce
- Sony isn't talking about Neo yet
- The less said about Nintendo right now the better
Why bother bringing this to E3 to offer nothing but confusion and uncertainty?
I'm guessing his thought process earlier was in regards to visuals, or at an extreme that a new console isn't worth getting if you don't have at least a display to take full advantage of it, ignoring that as long as the UI isn't awfully designed it's still worth it for the games.
Unless we'll see more cross gen titles next time. Or that it's inherently a feature built in.
Unless we'll see more cross gen titles next time. Or that it's inherently a feature built in.
Complicated
Banned
Yea you have to reach a bit to make this into something. That other thread title doesn't help though.
derExperte
Member
thomasmahler
Member
I think he meant 'in the short term'. Microsoft for the start is just not going to make games that only run on Scorpio, so getting a Scorpio if you don't even own a 4k TV is probably not going to make much difference at the start.
We don't have a kit or any information yet, but I'd find it incredibly weird if Microsoft suddenly introduces technical requirements like 'You have to use this fixed resolution to ship on Scorpio'. That's always up to the developers. I guess he just wanted to calm people down and make them understand that their Xbox One's aren't worthless once the Scorpio is there, it's just a more powerful machine for the hardcore-crowd and in due time (1-2 years after Scorpio probably), we'll definitely see titles that look a lot better on it compared to the original Xbox One.
I doubt most devs right now who get a Scorpio devkit would ever want to make a game for a platform that doesn't have an installed userbase (which has been a big issue in the recent generational switch). The idea here is probably that we should start seeing 'Xbox' as a platform and you can pick whatever you want, either the lower-cost 1080p machine or the higher cost 4k machine that sports better visuals - but the games for now will run on everything, including your Windows machine, all within that Xbox Platform.
Sidewinder
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Phil, please stop a minute, calm down and then clear up that little mess.
Phil, please stop a minute, calm down and then clear up that little mess.
I don't think that's whats going on here. Seem to be a little willful ignorance going on, but I digress. Clearly they built a 4K machine, but their not going to mandate design decisions on developers. They tried that in the past with 720p on XB360 and it didn't go over well.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Who isn't. Here's what I think is how it will work:
Microsoft will create no Scorpio exclusives. Their games will just scale resolution to whatever system they are running on.
Other devs will have to create Xbox One versions going forward. They can use the additional power on Scorpio to either scale resolution (which is the cheap solution) to 4k or decide they want to use that power for extra bells and whistles at 1080p (more effects, higher fps).
When the console after Scorpio arrives they will switch off mandatory Xbox One support and do Scorpio plus Scorpio 2. When they say there will be no Scorpio exclusives it could also mean they are forcing every dev to release on Scorpio and Windows 10 store.
You're telling me this is worse than the Xbox One reveal already?
LMAO, oh man, that's a good one.
It's obvious what he's saying:
This console can play some 4K games with ease, probably no 60FPS games (CoD, Halo, etc).
Other developers will use it to increase the fidelity if they don't find 4K that important.
We have an entire thread of people who said they'd almost prefer enhanced graphics with 1080p resolution over 4K, and now all of a sudden that's 'too confusing' and 'makes no sense'.
Phils smart. He knows not every game will run at a decent FR w/ 4K resolution. Therefore, he wants it to be known when the first game that's NOT 4K is announced, people don't freak out and doom say that the console can't run 4K games. It just won't be able to run all of them.
I really fail to see how
A) This is confusing, at all
B) This is ANYWHERE NEAR AS BAD AS THE XBOX ONE REVEAL. Like, what?
Interfectum
Member
Tell that to the head of Xbox so he can get on point.
They tried to trip up Sony, and Sony just ran around them with confidence that they would fuck up the messaging head start.
Pretty sure youre confused...according to the leaks, Neo games can't have exclusive content, or features, or game modes, or other such things...as for visuals/performance devs are encouraged to improve visuals, but framerste must be the same or better than the OGPS4 version...
It's not as bad as the Xbone reveal...not even close. But you can't see how it's confusing when they guy who is supposed to be running the show gives interviews and literally gives completely contradictory information?
RowdyReverb
Member
At least they've learned from the mistake of mandating 720p on early Xbox 360 games
I think it's easy.
Scorpio can run games at 4K for those who have a 4K tv, but it's obviously up to the developers to chose how to use the console power, they can make games at 1080p with better textures/lighting and frame rate, or push the 4K resolution but lower the overall quality.
Was that so hard to say, Phil?
lol harsh. Yet kinda catchy. The Scropio.
This analysis is so two hours ago.
It's not about that, it's about their shit PR.
They just need to stfu about it. In 18 months a lot can happen and change. Why fuck with your consumers like this when you don't have something palpable?
Zombie James
Banned
That was never a mandate. There were games at launch from Microsoft themselves that weren't 720p.
So which one is it?
shhh, come over here, let me whisper it in your ear.
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they don't know yet
thekiddfran
Member
Go to bed Phil, E3 is over.