The institution of law enforcement in America started off as slave patrols. But law enforcement never got the memo that slavery ended and blacks are now considered people and not livestock.
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Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)
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Jmanunknown
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If one person with malicious intent can undo progress that was made overs years in just a few hours of madness then that progress was never really real. Your not supposed to give into that hate and bigotry that other people have. Look at the people in South Carolina that were murdered in that church their families forgave the young man who brutally murdered their family members. Now those are the type of people everyone should strive to be. Its hard to not to give in to hate and anger when you lose someone you care about but those people tried their hardest to break the cycle of hatred by forgiving the young man who had caused them so much pain.
Rome wasn't built in a day. It's taken centuries for civil right to get where they are now. JFK started supporting civil right after he saw televised abuse of activists.
That's what we need today. Put people on blast on social media, make sure they know what's happening and people will come out to support BLM.
what happened to her
It's a perfect storm of trigger happy training and entitlement within the organization, blindly following "stats", deeply rooted prejudice and race issues.
Like mentioned above the race part of this is a massive massive issue, and I really don't want this statement to be taken as me downplaying that part of it, but another MASSIVE, part of the equation is simply who the force caters to, recruits, hires, etc. They want trigger happy "tough guys". They advocate throwing your weight around and striking fear into people. This is not how it should work, they should be here to create a sense of safety and keep order. Instead they are seen as the enemy, because they more often than not, are motivated by their power.
Valjean Lafitte
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Except I was talking specifically about white cops.
Not that it matters now anyway. When I wrote that, I wasn't aware that a number of these high profile cases also involved black police. Now I know.
C'mon now, no need to be dishonest like this
Whatever happened to Devo?
This comes immediately to mind since I love Ta-Nehisi Coates:
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/13020801/black-victim-black-cop-black-county
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011902346.html
That's just not true.
Baroquemantic
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Has anything been said about the other three suspects?
UncleMeat
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Its a true statistic though because the poster in question just parrots whatever statistics they read they got the wording wrong. Its not black people commit 52 percent of homicides its that black people are arrested for 52% of homicides. Its kinda ridiculous that people just look at statistics and do not look deeper. Your a lot more likely to be a victim of crime by some one of your own race that is the fact people generally tend to ignore because of perceived biases. Like take these Statistics for example
Take a look at the total number of victims by race from 2013: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
By using the data you cited it's easy to see that black people do commit a disproportionate amount of homicides.
I'm not saying that to justify anyone's racial bias or fear and it's obviously not due to biological reasons; only wanted to point out that it's not some made up statistic.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Nothing that I've seen. That's why I'm still so perplexed. Apparently Micah was the lone shooter?? I don't get that. I thought there was a triangulation of shots being fired.
Bam Bam Baklava
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How many times have we heard reports of multiple shooters being wrong at this point? It's almost par for the course.
Valjean Lafitte
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Jesus, that's heartbreaking.
BlackClouds
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It's down now.
I agree, but theres plenty of ignorant and gullible people who will take the wrong message away from this
What defines real progress I suppose is then the counterpoint.
excelsiorlef
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Wait are you serious?
Alebrije
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Agree , friends are friends no matter race ,religion or sex preferences
Good. Just saw this on Twitter:
Probably caused enough additional backlash to get it to change.
This one from the City of Dallas PR person is still up though: https://twitter.com/dallaspiosana/status/751262265630814208
daemissary
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Everyone keeps saying that it's down now but the link still works for me. I reported it.
Unlike the simplified answers you're receiving ('racist police are racist'), the answer is actually a cluster of causes related to multiple institutional crises regarding policing that coalesce into this mess we have now.
Institutionally, police have been trained for ages to disproportionately target minority communities. Every so often, there are triggers which make the situation worse, such as the start of the Drug War or broken window policing. In the case of the drug war, recently former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman admitted that the war was started in order to target two primary political enemies of the Nixon administration - the anti-war left and black people. Because they vote Democrat.
Reinforcing this issue is the problem of extreme poverty among black communities, in which long-term community job stagnation - sometimes from causes like white flight - have left black communities in a permanent state of Depression (like, seriously, during the end of 2015, black unemployment was at 9.5% vs. 4.5% for whites.). For context, the country was considered in the worst economic downfall since the great depression when the country was at 10% unemployment. Poverty has been known to increase crime, and so the racist laws and people who created the environment for that poverty go unchanged and racist people's stereotypes go reinforced.
There is the problem of for-profit prisons, which literally celebrate with their investors when they have a high recidivism rate. Thus, people go to prison, become felons, become worse criminals... sometimes lose the ability to vote. Take away their voices.
Then you have the issue of profiling. Many police chiefs issue policies to intentionally target minority communities, and they do so in ways that are very unfriendly to said communities. They don't engage with concerns, and so the community becomes embittered.
Part of this is because of the code of silence among the boys in blue. You are supposed to never tell on your fellow police officer for any mistake they make. This causes huge distrust in the community, which reasonably cause people within it to be skeptical, even hostile. Because police officers are never punished for their racist decisions.
There are about a zillion reasons I can list causing this problem to balloon, but in short this country has a hugely complex problem with race and have, throughout a century of bigoted laws and institutional policy changes, created a system diametrically focused on targeted and destroying minority lives.
excelsiorlef
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Hip Hop
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What's wrong with that?
Oversea people like to fling shit around when they got shit of their own too.
Thrashinuva
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So if you're a white male you're more likely to be murdered?
old manatee
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Good. Just saw this on Twitter:
Probably caused enough additional backlash to get it to change.
This one from the City of Dallas PR person is still up though: https://twitter.com/dallaspiosana/status/751262265630814208
Wtf were they playing at keeping it up for so long? I was assuming that in all of the chaos their Twitter account was being neglected, but that seems to indicate that they were purposefully keeping him on blast.
I'm gonna assume your black "friends" are "some of the good ones," right?
I had a really long post typed up about what a racist you are, but I decided against it. Racial profiling is never okay. There is never a single justifiable reason to racially profile someone. None. Nada. Zilch. Zipparoony. Racially profiling someone is racist. By agreeing that you can understand why people are racially profiling other people is racist. Congratulations. Educate yourself and stop being ignorant. Go out and meet people and experience the fucking world.
There was a time when I held some pretty disgusting beliefs about people from the middle east. Then I moved to Los Angeles, met some great people from all walks of life, and pulled my head out of my ass. I realized that I was being a racist cunt, and I decided to be better than that. I realized that so much of what I believed about these people were from what I absorbed through the media, and my family's own prejudice and racist attitudes toward them.
I'm not going to call you names (besides "racist," because that's appropriate here), but I'm not going to not call you out on your ignorant beliefs and how you justify them with wiki stats. Just because there are bad eggs in every ethnicity out there doesn't mean that every person in that ethnicity is okay to racially profile and discriminate. That's a deplorable line of thinking, and it's unacceptable.
If you've ever been racially profiled when you knew that you had been doing nothing wrong, I imagine you'd be singing a different tune. I speak from experience. I speak from a position of having been called "nigger" more than a few times in my life. Having been pulled over and "lectured" by police officers because they rode past my car, looked in, and didn't like what they saw (a young black man driving in a car with a pretty mixed girl, I imagine).
You can stop being racist. It's not something you're born with, it's something you learn.
excelsiorlef
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Sorry it was in the context of who was posting it.
He was justifying racism, racial profiling and racial fear and then turning around and expressing wonder and judgment on Brexit which happened for the exact same reasons he was just arguing.
Is this a joke I'm to dense to get? You made the thread about it.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1242444
This is by no means true across the board. Every BLM chapter is independent.
The Dallas BLM chapter put on the march with the full cooperation and support of the Dallas PD. BLM and the police were working together to condemn the police violence in other parts of North America.
That's a stark comparison to the Toronto BLM chapter that wants nothing to do with the Toronto PD and was demanding that the police be barred from the Toronto Pride Parade.
Both are groups that use the BLM name, but both have vastly different attitudes towards their local police.
Glad we have your approval to stop racial profiling.
Thanks, I'll report this one too. I think the chance of them removing it is a lot higher if enough people report it to twitter.Good. Just saw this on Twitter:
Probably caused enough additional backlash to get it to change.
This one from the City of Dallas PR person is still up though: https://twitter.com/dallaspiosana/status/751262265630814208
Krappadizzle
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Too many people ignore stats and cry racism and it's just so tiring. The highest murder rate for black males was nearly 9 times higher than the highest rate for white males. After peaking for victims in their early 20s, the murder rate for both white and black males declined with age. For victims age 60 or older, the homicide rate for black males was more than 4 higher than the rate for white males.
U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics Source if anyone else would like to dig in and learn some interesting things.
GeordieMark
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Yeah, that's really unnecessary. I was giving them the benefit of doubt as I know it's been a really hard time for Dallas cops, but to acknowledge it and refuse to delete it is really hard to explain away. It should be deleted. The guy did nothing wrong and they will be well aware of the impact a tweet like that to have on someone. It really does put him in genuine danger, and that is reall, really unfair and downright wrong.
therealist
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Sure you can suppress your racism and act rationally while you are calm, but when you are in a heated situation you revert to instincts. You don't think, you just act. There are people who are not racist whatsoever, but when they get robbed by a male in the heat of the moment, their anger goes out and they start spewing racist crap. I've seen it from my own sister. She's never said a bad thing about a black person in my life but when her car got broken into she made some questionable statements.
As a society we have been told to suppress our racism, and for the last decade it has made it seem like racism is gone. It's still there, just extremely hidden.
Trojita
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excelsiorlef dislikes the Toronto PD.
Stop being part of the problem, please.
I agree w/ what you said but no politicians have their hands entirely clean of this issue. Not participating is as bad as fanning the flames in my book. I'm sick of these politicians that are supposedly all about minorities and are supposedly the good guys & they almost to a person refuse to openly and outright condemn our current law enforcement mentality and propose/demand change. This goes all the way up to the President, because shaking your head and saying we the people, the citizens, have to do this and that is not getting it done....that's for another thread, but my second point, that Tupac video and what you're saying about this being unexpected in the grand scheme of things: I totally agree. I'm surprised more people haven't said you know what, MLK was an honorable man but he was wrong, they murdered him, sent a message loud and clear, changed shit on the surface while leaving the structure of oppression intact. Is it dangerous thinking, yes, do I hope it happens no, but as in that video, it's all but inevitable unless things change, and things aren't changing because it isn't the black victims who need to change. So finger pointing and shaming and all that is just kind of throwing salt on the wound, I think. The peaceful solution has to come from the ones pointing.
GeordieMark
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BLM is reasonably similar to a movement like Anonymous, Occupy, and Gamergate in that anyone can take action and claim it's in the name of the cause. There is no leadership or direction. It's a bunch of different groups and lone wolves with a common goal, but very different ideas of how to achieve it.
BLM won't really achieve much until they find a leader and someone to unite behind. It's a campaign that needs to focus and identify a strategy, and to do that it really needs a leader.
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Spring-Loaded
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And what traits should this leader display so that BLM can finally achieve something, as opposed to all the nothing the movement has achieved so far?
Yeah just saw this. So confusing.
Aarglefarg
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Those types of interrogation techniques that are common in the US are not the most effective techniques. Frankly they are unethical to continue using. http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2015/s4435114.htm (regarding the second interrogation technique in the transcript, not torture, ctrl+F to start at Mark Nolan's comment)
that is an interesting point... from earlier this year around the MLK Day Bridge Protest
Krappadizzle
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I'd say organizing all the BLM chapters with a common spokesperson and a clear goal would be a start. What has the movement achieved so far? Not asking facetiously. A closer look at policing?
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BLM will accomplish as much as Occupy Wall Street did, which is to make an issue mainstream and make a certain language enter the mainstream media where it was previously absent. The 99% or 1% was a term that was never used until recently, now it's heard daily among politicians, people, economists, journalists, nobel laureates, etc.
ryutaro's mama
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The most terrifying part about this whole situation (besides the obvious) is that it exposed how woefully unprepared our police forces are against anyone with a hint of training. One man shouldn't have been able to cause as much mayhem as he did.
Could you imagine if it was a unit of say 8 or so similarly trained individuals, who weren't selective with their targets?
I shudder to think.
Could you imagine if it was a unit of say 8 or so similarly trained individuals, who weren't selective with their targets?
I shudder to think.
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