No, the beginning was cops killing black people and getting off without any punishment.
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Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)
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No, the beginning was cops killing black people and getting off without any punishment.
That's why we have a discussion. I don't know this guy. Everything he has said is sketchy as fuck so far. I want him to justify it.
EatinOlives
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A picture of their initial Person of Interest. Everyone, including every major media organization, instantly assumed he was the killer. It was just some black dude open-carrying a firearm (as is legal in Texas) who gave his weapon to an officer as soon as the shooting started.
He was proved to be completely innocent pretty soon after the tweet went out but Dallas PD didn't delete it until a few minutes ago for some bizarre reason.
Full? You mean it's mostly violent racist negros who want to kill police? Can you prove this or nah?
Honestly I think it's a major cognitive failing to try to explain the motivations of mass shooters.
Whether it's BLM, religion, misogyny, whatever, the vast majority of people are capable of having strong feelings and connections to social or political ideas without murdering anybody.
The proximate cause of mass shooters is a horrific failing of empathy, impulse control, etc. Once you lose that you'll get a shooter. The cause they associate with is more or less arbitrary. If you doubt this, remember the "I don't like Mondays" woman.
Whether it's BLM, religion, misogyny, whatever, the vast majority of people are capable of having strong feelings and connections to social or political ideas without murdering anybody.
The proximate cause of mass shooters is a horrific failing of empathy, impulse control, etc. Once you lose that you'll get a shooter. The cause they associate with is more or less arbitrary. If you doubt this, remember the "I don't like Mondays" woman.
Racists tend to not be able to justify their 'Cism
And you know this because you've interacted with tons of BLM members or because Glenn Beck et al told you so?
Great post, exactly how I feel.
Valjean Lafitte
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True. Some posters referred me to the Freddie Gray case, which I did not know involved black cops.
Fair enough, but do you think you would you be more apprehensive around a white cop than a black cop?
Sadly, I laughed because that shooter was obviously too skilled to fall for such a parlor trick.
*knocks on the door*
*"you hungry, man? Got a deluxe pizza for you."*
*"Not really"*
*"awww come on...just a little bite?"*
He knew how this was going to play out and his mind was made up.
GeordieMark
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I agree on that point, and it's totally understandable that black people would be more than a little pissed at cops. You can't use that as any justification For killing people though. Two wrongs don't make a right and this just makes a bad situation worse. Again, I do get it and I'd be fucking raging if I was a black American, but I can't stand next to anyone who tries to justify 5 killings. I don't think you are doing that, but I think you are looking for a justification where none exists
Alligatorjandro
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These types of protests have happened the past 2 years but nothing has changed.
Oh lord
dayam
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Glad they did, and not surprising. And really those protests have shown remarkable restraint considering all the shit that's been happening that led to them. Similarly, I hope the police across the country can stop and think about the actions that led to this, rather than extend their violent "us vs. them" knee jerk reaction.
I'm with you. I was hoping he'd embarrass himself to the point he'd learn the lesson not to spout that nonsense with just BS anecdotes.
Racists also tend to not be able to learn lessons
frogger
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Shrug, I voted for Obama twice, hired black people based on their qualification. Have plenty black friends. All I am saying is I understand the reason some police officers do racial profiling given the statistics I cited from wikipedia, not saying that it is the correct things to do.
Never implied the police had it coming. I just said I'm shocked this hasn't happened sooner. I don't think it shocking to assume that someone at some point was going to retaliate or that this is the end of it really.
This entire issue has been festering for a long time and people have been using it as a political football, and nothing has been done on the issues of gun control or police brutality. These cops didn't have it coming. Never want to imply that. Innocent cops lost their lives last night. But lets not act like there hasn't been a sort of buildup to this point.
I'd be apprehensive around both. It's not really easy to quanitify it since it is largely going to involve how they act. I've had white and black cops talk to me like a person and I've seen others that clearly have a power trip going on. As a black guy, I can't assume a black cop is going to treat me better than a white cop. Honestly, this whole argument is just a pointless distraction to the real issue.
I did a search and hadn't seen this posted yet. Source: ABC News Twitter
Going by this, it sounds as though this individual has been planning something for a while. I doubt someone could easily, and without suspicion, accumulate bomb making materials, ballistic vests, rifles, ammunition, and write out a combat tactics journal in a matter of two days if this were influenced by recent police shootings. I have no doubt those shootings were the tipping point for pushing him into action, but it would appear this individual has had something in the works for a while now.
Going by this, it sounds as though this individual has been planning something for a while. I doubt someone could easily, and without suspicion, accumulate bomb making materials, ballistic vests, rifles, ammunition, and write out a combat tactics journal in a matter of two days if this were influenced by recent police shootings. I have no doubt those shootings were the tipping point for pushing him into action, but it would appear this individual has had something in the works for a while now.
Jmanunknown
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Its a true statistic though because the poster in question just parrots whatever statistics they read they got the wording wrong. Its not black people commit 52 percent of homicides its that black people are arrested for 52% of homicides. Its kinda ridiculous that people just look at statistics and do not look deeper. Your a lot more likely to be a victim of crime by some one of your own race that is the fact people generally tend to ignore because of perceived biases. Like take these Statistics for example
NoctisVsStar
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You think having black friends makes you Teflon Don proof?
There is a significant difference between "they had it coming" (they deserved it) and "these events are the tragic consequence of the utterly forseeable reaction to decades of real and perceived oppression" (they are the unlucky victims of events beyond their control).
Lv99 Slacker
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Dylan Roof had a black friend, too.
so what nigga? That don't mean shit
The fact that we see police departments like in Dallas and Toronto becoming more supportive of their communities contradicts this idea that progress has not been made. Progress is typically slow and one bigoted person may have just ruined it for everyone.
The Chosen One
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Yeah he was found to be completely innocent over 17 hours ago and there's been video out there of him handing his gun to cops over 12 hours ago. I know the DPD has a lot on their plate right now, but it's irresponsible to leave his picture up there on an official source for that long. You're basically putting that person in danger.
Much like many racists I've have the displeasure of being related to, you like some black persons, individually as persons, but you are hateful towards / have odious views of black people, the undefined group of humans.
That's still awful.
Forseeable in a city whose PD has greatly improved and are making steps towards reformation and improved relationship with its people, at a peaceful protest they took part in helping to plan. An outlash at the most unlikely time and place.
excelsiorlef
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Ironically you are playing a role in making racial tensions worth with this post.
"Saying I don't condone this, but" and then posting a video of a threatening quote sounds like borderline condolence.
They've done great for their community and I applaud them, but they aren't the rest of America unfortunately. Politicians who can enact change dont even see this as an issue. You're right man. It fucking sucks. I don't know where this moment is going to take us.
frogger
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Did a bit more research, if the following is true, I guess no excuse for racial profiling.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/
"From 1980 to 2013, there were 2,269 officers killed in felonious incidents, and 2,896 offenders. The racial breakdown of offenders over the 33-year period was on par with the 10-year period: 52 percent were white, and 41 percent were black."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/
"From 1980 to 2013, there were 2,269 officers killed in felonious incidents, and 2,896 offenders. The racial breakdown of offenders over the 33-year period was on par with the 10-year period: 52 percent were white, and 41 percent were black."
I am not an expert on the history and activities of BLM but as far as I am concerned what happened in Dallas was the alternative to such a movement not the consequence of it.
BTW, the shootings were impersonal not indiscriminate. He targeted police men and women because he was acting against the police as a collective. A suicide bomber doesn't have any personal grievance with the people he blows up and a soldier doesn't have a quarrel with the enemy combatant he shoots. They come under attack because of the group they're aligned with. Likewise, if someone goes to war against the law enforcement institution then they are going to target police officers because they are its agents.
I think this is the point the banned guy (chancellor?) was trying to make but was a bit clumsy. Because the whole institution lost credibility due to repeated unpunished slayings by policemen, it came under attack and the consequence of that was dead policemen and women. All over the world, individuals belonging to various groups that feel cornered or oppressed by external powers have used violence. In the Turkey bombing thread people were wondering, at first, whether Kurdish separatists were involved. However, it's actually rather rare for an African American to directly target a symbol of state power even when it is being employed disproportionately against his group. That's part of what feels shocking about this and why tabloids are running alarmist "Civil War" headlines while preachers want us to remember MLK's dream.
For me it's a reminder that "peace" cannot be taken for granted while injustices persist. Many people in this thread have expressed the opinion that they felt that something like this could happen one day. It's definitely not surprising and confusing on the level of Sandy Hook.
BTW, the shootings were impersonal not indiscriminate. He targeted police men and women because he was acting against the police as a collective. A suicide bomber doesn't have any personal grievance with the people he blows up and a soldier doesn't have a quarrel with the enemy combatant he shoots. They come under attack because of the group they're aligned with. Likewise, if someone goes to war against the law enforcement institution then they are going to target police officers because they are its agents.
I think this is the point the banned guy (chancellor?) was trying to make but was a bit clumsy. Because the whole institution lost credibility due to repeated unpunished slayings by policemen, it came under attack and the consequence of that was dead policemen and women. All over the world, individuals belonging to various groups that feel cornered or oppressed by external powers have used violence. In the Turkey bombing thread people were wondering, at first, whether Kurdish separatists were involved. However, it's actually rather rare for an African American to directly target a symbol of state power even when it is being employed disproportionately against his group. That's part of what feels shocking about this and why tabloids are running alarmist "Civil War" headlines while preachers want us to remember MLK's dream.
For me it's a reminder that "peace" cannot be taken for granted while injustices persist. Many people in this thread have expressed the opinion that they felt that something like this could happen one day. It's definitely not surprising and confusing on the level of Sandy Hook.
I miss Devolution
SirClinksAlot
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Whoa whoa whoa. He says he also voted for Obama! So he can't be racist! /s
sindbadthesailor
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Yeah, I don't know where you got karma from. This is more actions tend to have consequences.
The current system is utterly broken and the powers that be have shown, repeatedly, that they have no interest in making things better. All they suggest is peaceful protests, which conviently, can be easily ignored and swept under the rug. Big surprise that those that are happy with the status quo don't want anything dramatic to happen.
Things will have to get worse before they can better.
Majukun
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I'm not american,so I'll ask..are there any theories as of WHY exactly would a part of the police forces in the USA are so trigger happy when dealing with afro-americans?
or it's one of those instances where they are trigger hhappy in general,but the media give more emphasis to the story that has that "touch" of race war?
or it's one of those instances where they are trigger hhappy in general,but the media give more emphasis to the story that has that "touch" of race war?
old manatee
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'cop' isn't a race, it's a job. Black people being scared of cops isn't racial profiling.
frogger is advocating that the police racially profile black people because of their specific anecdotal experiences. That is racism.
Sunster
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They are racist and poorly trained. If they weren't racist before they were trained to be racist.
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