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Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)

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Too many people ignore stats and cry racism and it's just so tiring. The highest murder rate for black males was nearly 9 times higher than the highest rate for white males. After peaking for victims in their early 20s, the murder rate for both white and black males declined with age. For victims age 60 or older, the homicide rate for black males was more than 4 higher than the rate for white males.

U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics Source if anyone else would like to dig in and learn some interesting things.

The stats are unfortunate. However, a key word a lot of people are missing here is intersectionality. The other is context.

The stats also have to be considered in light of the history of the country, racial issues, prejudice, access, economic inequality, etc. When all of that is also taken into consideration, it is quite easy to see why crime and negative outcomes are disproportionately affecting minorities.

The stats as raw numbers may not be racist, but the underlying issues leading to those numbers certainly can be.
 
BLM is reasonably similar to a movement like Anonymous, Occupy, and Gamergate in that anyone can take action and claim it's in the name of the cause. There is no leadership or direction. It's a bunch of different groups and lone wolves with a common goal, but very different ideas of how to achieve it.

BLM won't really achieve much until they find a leader and someone to unite behind. It's a campaign that needs to focus and identify a strategy, and to do that it really needs a leader.

MLK wasn't the sole god and representative of all black thought during the civil rights movement. There are already many people who are visible and interact with media and legislatiors to spread the message of BLM.A message which is dead simple yet gets ignored, twisted and vilified still. All this talk of a leader means nothing when people don't want to hear the message in the first place.
 
And what traits should this leader display so that BLM can finally achieve something, as opposed to all the nothing the movement has achieved so far?

I didn't claim to have the answer to that one, and I wouldn't say they have achieved nothing either. They have. But I still think a political movement needs a leader and common purpose to be truly effective, and BLM has one but not the other.
 
The most terrifying part about this whole situation (besides the obvious) is that it exposed how woefully unprepared our police forces are against anyone with a hint of training. One man shouldn't have been able to cause as much mayhem as he did.

Could you imagine if it was a unit of say 8 or so similarly trained individuals, who weren't selective with their targets?

I shudder to think.

I think about this too. If a team of trained guys really wanted. Fuck man. Mayhem. It's scary stuff.
 
The stats are unfortunate. However, a key word a lot of people are missing here is intersectionality. The other is context.

The stats also have to be considered in light of the history of the country, racial issues, prejudice, access, economic inequality, etc. When all of that is also taken into consideration, it is quite easy to see why crime and negative outcomes are disproportionately affecting minorities.

The stats as raw numbers may not be racist, but the underlying issues leading to those numbers certainly can be.

What would you consider the underlying issues to be?
 

Volimar

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not THE Bill Murray

This thread is big and I'm sure this has been posted already, but just in case it hasn't:

This is what needs to be spread around.
 
This is by no means true across the board. Every BLM chapter is independent.

The Dallas BLM chapter put on the march with the full cooperation and support of the Dallas PD. BLM and the police were working together to condemn the police violence in other parts of North America.

That's a stark comparison to the Toronto BLM chapter that wants nothing to do with the Toronto PD and was demanding that the police be barred from the Toronto Pride Parade.

Both are groups that use the BLM name, but both have vastly different attitudes towards their local police.

A float. Jesus. Not barred entirely just no Institutional Symbol via a float.

excelsiorlef dislikes the Toronto PD.

That's not true.

I just don't believe they are paragons of virtue.

Nor do I believe that they aren't racially bias
 
Can somebody post the statistics of homicide rates by eye color? Because that matters as much when it comes to murder as skin color.

"There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
 

royalan

Member
I'd say organizing all the BLM chapters with a common spokesperson and a clear goal would be a start. What has the movement achieved so far? Not asking facetiously. A closer look at policing?

Police reform is a major topic of this election BECAUSE of the work of Black Lives Matter over the last 2 years.

If you don't believe they've anything, it's because you haven't been paying attention. Just own that.
 

AlphaDump

Gold Member
socioeconomics, I'd like to see statistics that compared within the same socioeconomic demographic. Poor people tend to get pushed in to crime more easily, minorities tend to be over represented in that demo?

data can tell us many things, but we shouldn't forget the historical impact on the stigma of being black, and the current instances they still encounter on a daily basis that are inherent to our everyday lives.
 
I didn't claim to have the answer to that one, and I wouldn't say they have achieved nothing either. They have. But I still think a political movement needs a leader and common purpose to be truly effective, and BLM has one but not the other.

How do you think things like protests get organized I'm the first place? There are already many people across the country taking that responsibility on. Civil rights, LGBTQ rights, women's rights were not all movements tied to a single name. Why would BLM be any different? And why should it be any different with such a clear message?
 

Raven117

Member
The Dallas BLM chapter put on the march with the full cooperation and support of the Dallas PD. BLM and the police were working together to condemn the police violence in other parts of North America.
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Which makes an already disheartening situation even worse.

All things considered, Dallas PD does a decent job with all of this. BLM and the PD working together in a protest is really how it should be done. A protest to show solidarity towards a common cause. There were even pics of cops posing with protestors showing support.

Then....this guy....this freakin guy....
 

Figboy79

Aftershock LA
Sure you can suppress your racism and act rationally while you are calm, but when you are in a heated situation you revert to instincts. You don't think, you just act. There are people who are not racist whatsoever, but when they get robbed by a male in the heat of the moment, their anger goes out and they start spewing racist crap. I've seen it from my own sister. She's never said a bad thing about a black person in my life but when her car got broken into she made some questionable statements.

As a society we have been told to suppress our racism, and for the last decade it has made it seem like racism is gone. It's still there, just extremely hidden.

And that racist "instinct" isn't instinct at all. It's not something that we're naturally pre-disposed for, it's something that you've learned through cultural osmosis. A lifetime of having negative perceptions of minorities reinforced through film, television, books, cartoons, toys, music, and the news has a profound effect on how we view one another. You can turn on the tv at nearly any point in your day and see some kind of negative portrayal or story of a minority, from blacks to mexicans, to muslims and persians and arabs, etc, etc. Seeing that day in and day out, no matter how open minded and fair you are is going to get to you. You have to actively be battling against the blatant demonizing of minorities in order to not have that sort of bombardment affect you.

I spent a lifetime thinking black people were awful, and I was "one of the good ones." It took me a long time to undo that mentality and realizing the root causes of that line of thinking.

Being a racist asshat isn't instinctual. When I lose my temper and get angry at someone, the first thing to pop into my mind isn't "fucking nigger, chink, spic, gook, cracker, and so on and so forth." Generally "fucking asshole," is my default insult.

I learned about the negatives of being a little black boy when I was 6 years old. Up until that point, I never once looked at the little white or Puerto Rican kids in my Kindergarten and First Grade glasses as anything other than my friends and classmates. I didn't really put much thought into some of them being white, some of them being black, etc, etc. In my family, I saw a whole range of skin tones, from light to dark (me being "high yellow" according to old aunts and uncles), so the white kids in my class never had me bat an eye. Then one day in class, I was told that I couldn't be Superman or Batman when we were playing on the playground because they were white, and I was black. From that day on, I saw that the majority of my heroes were white, and my own people were often buffoons, criminals, or incompetents.

That shaped the way I not only viewed my fellow black people, but myself as well. I grew up hating being black, and envying my white friends who had moms and dads, nice houses, all of the Transformers, GI Joes, LEGOS, and Thundercat toys. They always seemed happy and content. I saw that the vast majority of my black friends were just like me: raised by a single mother struggling to make ends meet, and still not being able to make ends meet. A woman who would starve herself to make sure that me and my sisters didn't go to bed hungry. While I loved and respected my mom for her strength, I couldn't help but despise being black.

It's why shows like The Cosby Show meant so much to my people. Why The Fresh Prince of Bell Air struck such a chord with blacks country round. Those shows were the few instances where we felt proud to be black. Where we found our self respect and strength, realizing that despite all that we have been through since we first set foot in this country, we persevere and carry on. That no matter how much we are demonized and victimized, and dehumanized, we can be more than "thugs" "coons," and "jiggaboos." That we're human, and capable of amazing things.

It's why things like this retaliation against cops is more damaging to black America than you really know. One misstep, and we're set back another dozen years in the eyes of the masses. Those poor cops didn't deserve to be killed, and the bitterness and anger is just going to bleed over onto innocent black men and women who want nothing more than peace and empathy. A lot of racists and diet racists are using this to turn off their empathy for the innocent blacks, and it's frustrating. Judge the individual, but that never seems to apply to us.

Racism has certainly been underground, but that's exactly why institutional racism is as strong and effective as it is. Minorities have been allowed to continue to be oppressed through so much legislation and under-handed tactics that there's no need to call someone a "nigger" to try and put him in his place. Denying his job application because he has a "black name" is much more damaging. Denying his loan. Denying his school admissions form. Incarcerating him for a minor infraction so that blemish is on his record for the rest of his life, tainting his future prospects for advancement. Racism has gone Sun Tzu on minorities. It's tactical and efficient. Police brutality is just one visceral example of how minorities are oppressed in this country.

This has been going on for decades, but thanks to the invention of the smart phone (with cameras), the rest of the world that was content to put their fingers in their ears and "la la la" their heads into the sand are forced to see the truth of the world minorities live in, and they don't like it. It shatters and disrupts their worldview, so even the most open minded of individuals finds themselves contorting with mental gymnastics to justify why the victim brought his end upon himself, because to accept the truth would be to accept a whole lot of not so pretty things about themselves, and the systemic racist institutions that have allowed them to pretty much live their lives unmolested by such bigotry and racism. I just wish that people could engage in meaningful discourse without getting so defensive when these ugly truths are exposed.
 

Paganmoon

Member
data can tell us many things, but we shouldn't forget the historical impact on the stigma of being black, and the current instances they still encounter on a daily basis that are inherent to our everyday lives.

Yeah, I'm basing my view solely from a European/Swedish perspective, so it definitely does not take account everything, as that stigma isn't as prevalent here, thought the socioeconomic impact on crime and minorities is.
 

sphagnum

Banned
BLM adopting a leader comes with its own risks. Once an organization has a face, it gets tied to that individual. Fox and co. can just character assassinate the person and call it a day.
 
Yeah, but just saying racism, prejudice, economic inequality doesn't really mean much unless you can point to specific racists or economic inequality that can be used as examples to push for change.

There is plenty of data and history out there.

Jim Crow, for instance destroyed the prospects of minority business ownership and standing in society for generations. It wasn't dismantled until the mid 1960s. A major political movement in the 1960s to 2000s focused on appealing to racist citizens. Which naturally leads to policies in those areas that don't exactly favor everyone equally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016...nequality-blacks-and-whites-are-worlds-apart/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...justice_system_eight_charts_illustrating.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/jan/03/racial-bias-us-death-penalty

http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurash...times-the-wealth-of-a-black-one/#2f92f9d86c5b

That's a start after about 5 minutes of searching. I can get into selling of children minorities into the justice system too, if you'd like.
 

AlphaDump

Gold Member
Yeah, I'm basing my view solely from a European/Swedish perspective, so it definitely does not take account everything, as that stigma isn't as prevalent here, thought the socioeconomic impact on crime and minorities is.

didnt mean to shit on your post, it is absolutely valid. I even asked for the same thing a few posts above yours (by income, district and race). I just didn't want to neglect our history.
 
what are the stats by income, district and race? is there anything to that granularity?

In 2008–12, poor whites (56.4 per 1,000) and poor blacks(51.3 per 1,000) in urban households had higher rates of violence than persons in all other types of households (figure 6). High-income blacks in urban areas (30.1 per 1,000) had similar rates of violence as poor blacks in suburban (35.8 per 1,000) and rural (30.1 per 1,000) households.

Violence against persons in poor and low-income households was more likely to be reported to police than violence against persons in mid- and high- income households In 2008–12, about half of violent victimizations against persons in poor households (51%) and in low-income households (50%) were reported to police. In comparison, 43% of victimizations against persons in mid-income households and 45% of victimizations against persons in high-income households were reported (table 4). The percentage of serious violence reported to police did not vary significantly by poverty level.

At all poverty levels, a greater percentage of serious violence than simple assault was reported to police. However, the percentage of serious violence reported to police among persons in mid- (53%) and high- (52%) income households was not significantly different from the percentage of simple assault reported by persons in poor households (46%).

Among blacks, the percentage of violent victimizations reported to police did not vary by poverty level.

The pattern of lower reporting of violence among mid- and high-income households held true for whites but not for blacks or Hispanics (figure 7). Among blacks, there was no significant variation across poverty levels in the percentage of violent victimizations reported to police. Among Hispanics, a lower percentage of violence against persons in mid-income households (36%) than those in either poor (50%) or low-income (50%) households was reported to police.

Except for mid-income households, there was no statistically significant difference in the percentage of violence against whites, blacks, and Hispanics reported to police at all
poverty levels. Among mid-income households, a higher percentage of violence against blacks (53%) than against Hispanics (36%) was reported to police.

There is plenty of data and history out there.

Jim Crow, for instance destroyed the prospects of minority business ownership and standing in society for generations. It wasn't dismantled until the mid 1960s. A major political movement in the 1960s to 2000s focused on appealing to racist citizens. Which naturally leads to policies in those areas that don't exactly favor everyone equally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016...nequality-blacks-and-whites-are-worlds-apart/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...justice_system_eight_charts_illustrating.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/jan/03/racial-bias-us-death-penalty

http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurash...times-the-wealth-of-a-black-one/#2f92f9d86c5b

That's a start after about 5 minutes of searching. I can get into selling of children minorities into the justice system too, if you'd like.

I agree with you. I'm saying the BLM needs to rally behind specifics and focus on changing things they take issue with. There are too many people who don't even know what they'd like to see change, just change.
 

LosDaddie

Banned
The most terrifying part about this whole situation (besides the obvious) is that it exposed how woefully unprepared our police forces are against anyone with a hint of training. One man shouldn't have been able to cause as much mayhem as he did.

Could you imagine if it was a unit of say 8 or so similarly trained individuals, who weren't selective with their targets?

I shudder to think.

Nah. Not at all, actually.

There's no preparing for this type of ambush with a large crowd of protestors. Unless you want the police to show up in riot gear to BLM protests, which I'm guessing you don't.

This was an act of ambush. Someone taking advantage of a situation.
 
Take a look at the total number of victims by race from 2013: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

By using the data you cited it's easy to see that black people do commit a disproportionate amount of homicides.

I'm not saying that to justify anyone's racial bias or fear and it's obviously not due to biological reasons; only wanted to point out that it's not some made up statistic.

Seriously did you not read what I posted or you just decided you would post about what you think I posted? You just proved my point blindly looking at the statistics without looking at them deeper just because you are arrested does not make you guilty of a crime. Look at Ferguson,Missouri a town of 21,000 people where 16,000 of those citizens had open arrest warrants. Are gonna go say Ferguson is a town full of criminals? Or are you gonna legitimately ask questions about why the hell in a town in the US 70% of its residents had active warrants for their arrests?
 
In 2008–12, poor whites (56.4 per 1,000) and poor blacks(51.3 per 1,000) in urban households had higher rates of violence than persons in all other types of households (figure 6). High-income blacks in urban areas (30.1 per 1,000) had similar rates of violence as poor blacks in suburban (35.8 per 1,000) and rural (30.1 per 1,000) households.

Violence against persons in poor and low-income households was more likely to be reported to police than violence against persons in mid- and high- income households In 2008–12, about half of violent victimizations against persons in poor households (51%) and in low-income households (50%) were reported to police. In comparison, 43% of victimizations against persons in mid-income households and 45% of victimizations against persons in high-income households were reported (table 4). The percentage of serious violence reported to police did not vary significantly by poverty level.

At all poverty levels, a greater percentage of serious violence than simple assault was reported to police. However, the percentage of serious violence reported to police among persons in mid- (53%) and high- (52%) income households was not significantly different from the percentage of simple assault reported by persons in poor households (46%).

Among blacks, the percentage of violent victimizations reported to police did not vary by poverty level.

The pattern of lower reporting of violence among mid- and high-income households held true for whites but not for blacks or Hispanics (figure 7). Among blacks, there was no significant variation across poverty levels in the percentage of violent victimizations reported to police. Among Hispanics, a lower percentage of violence against persons in mid-income households (36%) than those in either poor (50%) or low-income (50%) households was reported to police.

Except for mid-income households, there was no statistically significant difference in the percentage of violence against whites, blacks, and Hispanics reported to police at all
poverty levels. Among mid-income households, a higher percentage of violence against blacks (53%) than against Hispanics (36%) was reported to police.



I agree with you. I'm saying the BLM needs to rally behind specifics and focus on changing things they take issue with. There are too many people who don't even know what they'd like to see change, just change.

And more about wealth in blacks vs. crime issues: http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/03/wealthy_black_kids_more_likely.html

As for your final part, I see. Yes, I think it would be good for BLM to become more centralized and develop essentially what is a platform that can be spread and more easily highlighted/protested. I do think there will be risks as there becomes a clearer target, but it might be a necessary issue.
 

Paganmoon

Member
didnt mean to shit on your post, it is absolutely valid. I even asked for the same thing a few posts above yours (by income, district and race). I just didn't want to neglect our history.

Did not take it as shitting on my post, I appreciate you bringing up that aspect of it, as it's something important include in the discussion, and a good thing to be reminded about, specially for those of us who don't have first hand experience of that stigma, both outside of the USA, and apparently inside as well to some extent.
 
See: Black Panthers

But then you have MLK Jr. who was critical in making amazing progress in social reform and drastic improvements to the country as a whole. He was murdered for it and the country was better for his sacrifice.

And more about wealth in blacks vs. crime issues: http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/03/wealthy_black_kids_more_likely.html

As for your final part, I see. Yes, I think it would be good for BLM to become more centralized and develop essentially what is a platform that can be spread and more easily highlighted/protested. I do think there will be risks as there becomes a clearer target, but it might be a necessary issue.

Absolutely this.

And prisons as a whole need some reform. There are too many people in general imprisoned for nonviolent and just plain stupid reasons today and it is an issue that needs to be addressed.
 

SecretDan

A mudslide of fun!
The most terrifying part about this whole situation (besides the obvious) is that it exposed how woefully unprepared our police forces are against anyone with a hint of training. One man shouldn't have been able to cause as much mayhem as he did.

Could you imagine if it was a unit of say 8 or so similarly trained individuals, who weren't selective with their targets?

I shudder to think.

Not sure what kind of training can protect against someone that can accurately fire a powerful long rifle into a crowd.

It is terrifying to think how easy it is. Could easily have been far more people.
 

robochimp

Member
The most terrifying part about this whole situation (besides the obvious) is that it exposed how woefully unprepared our police forces are against anyone with a hint of training. One man shouldn't have been able to cause as much mayhem as he did.

Could you imagine if it was a unit of say 8 or so similarly trained individuals, who weren't selective with their targets?

I shudder to think.

Society mostly runs on the honor system, do we really want a police force acting like there are snipers on every building?
 
I don't have a solution for what can be done but it is disturbing to see how easily a person with bad intentions can create such loss...and he was just 1 guy.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
But then you have MLK Jr. who was critical in making amazing progress in social reform and drastic improvements to the country as a whole. He was murdered for it and the country was better for his sacrifice.



Prisons as a whole need some reform. There are too many people in general imprisoned for nonviolent and just plain stupid reasons today and it is an issue that needs to be addressed.

So either you get character assassinated or really assassinated. What a tempting choice.
 

Rudelord

Member
The most terrifying part about this whole situation (besides the obvious) is that it exposed how woefully unprepared our police forces are against anyone with a hint of training. One man shouldn't have been able to cause as much mayhem as he did.

Could you imagine if it was a unit of say 8 or so similarly trained individuals, who weren't selective with their targets?

I shudder to think.

An ambush is something that happens that no one can really do much about no matter how well trained you are.

They still responded rapidly to a shitty situation.
 

akira28

Member
Someone pointed that out today on the radio.

Police, even doubled up, are sitting ducks for anyone with skill and planning and intent to fuck their shit up. They were not designed to be a pacifying force to fight insurgencies, they were supposed to serve and protect law abiding citizens.

Policing isn't built for that kind of conflict, so people seriously need to take things into account. This will probably not be the last incident of this type.

And they've been putting bombs on robots to kill barricaded gunmen for years. In Iraq and Afghanistan. Lessons learned and brought home.
 
The Guardian on why multiple people were arrested:

Ugh...

How much more quickly--and with how much less loss of life--could they have isolated the shooter if they weren't running after 20 people indulging in Texas's Mass Shooter Cosplay Fetish?

How long ago would Dallas have been able to ban open carry of assault rifles if they weren't beholden to an idiotic state government that preaches "small government" and "local administration" while preventing the city from having its own ordinances?
 

AlphaDump

Gold Member
So either you get character assassinated or really assassinated. What a tempting choice.

It is more about "optics", not so much a person who can give a speech.


Think about the body cam's that are now required on officers. That legislation was specifically driven by protests of a tangible event. It helps in reinforcing a consistent objective.
 

UncleMeat

Member
Seriously did you not read what I posted or you just decided you would post about what you think I posted? You just proved my point blindly looking at the statistics without looking at them deeper just because you are arrested does not make you guilty of a crime. Look at Ferguson,Missouri a town of 21,000 people where 16,000 of those citizens had open arrest warrants. Are gonna go say Ferguson is a town full of criminals? Or are you gonna legitimately ask questions about why the hell in a town in the US 70% of its residents had active warrants for their arrests?

Maybe I did misunderstand you but I'm not sure you got my point. I was pointing out that in a given year there are almost as many black homicide victims as white homicide victims - not suspects arrested. Since many murders go unsolved and we have a legal system which is unfair to minorities, I think this is actually a better stat to look at when determining who is committing murders based on race.

I agree with folks like Golden Eye on why this is the case, as I said earlier it's certainly not biological. No I don't think Ferguson is a town full of criminals.
 

MrMephistoX

Member
Society mostly runs on the honor system, do we really want a police force acting like there are snipers on every building?

If we got assault weapons off the streets they wouldn't have to be worried. No citizen should posses this much fire power and body armor. The cops are scared shitless because anyone could buy the exact same gear.
 

Ether_Snake

安安安安安安安安安安安安安安安
At the end of the day, we're really back at the starting point. This was another mass shooting in a long list this year alone, and it's still a gun issue first.
 

sphagnum

Banned
https://t.co/KQAgWOMAr2

Interesting article by the folks at Atlantic that speaks about what happened in the late 1960s when we had issues like this. Sad to see that things haven't changed much.

Never knew about this report.

Desperate to do something, but not in a position to do much more than defend his existing accomplishments, Johnson created the high-profile commission. The president stacked the commission with established political figures who were moderate and committed to the existing economic and political system. He wanted them to demonstrate to the public that the administration took the problems seriously—but he also wanted them to avoid recommendations that would embarrass him. Johnson was deeply cognizant of the economic and racial problems afflicting cities, but he felt that there was not much more he could do politically at that moment in time. Which is why the first version of the report was killed.

Commission staffers had produced a blistering and radical draft report on November 22, 1967. The 176-page report, “The America of Racism,” recounted the deep-seated racial divisions that shaped urban America, and it was damning about Johnson’s beloved Great Society programs, which the report said offered only token assistance while leaving the “white power structure” in place. What’s more, the draft treated rioting as an understandable political response to racial oppression. “A truly revolutionary spirit has begun to take hold,” they wrote, “an unwillingness to compromise or wait any longer, to risk death rather than have their people continue in a subordinate status.” Kerner then nixed the report, and his staff director fired all 120 social scientists who had worked on it.

At least this time the Silent Majority isn't big enough to win the election, most likely.
 

water_wendi

Water is not wet!
Someone pointed that out today on the radio.

Police, even doubled up, are sitting ducks for anyone with skill and planning and intent to fuck their shit up. They were not designed to be a pacifying force to fight insurgencies, they were supposed to serve and protect law abiding citizens.

Policing isn't built for that kind of conflict, so people seriously need to take things into account. This will probably not be the last incident of this type.

And they've been putting bombs on robots to kill barricaded gunmen for years. In Iraq and Afghanistan. Lessons learned and brought home.

i fear that lone gunmen will morph into insurgency style attacks on soft targets associated with police.
 
Also, I don't give a rat's anus that 10 times yall were robbed.

You're part of the problem, then.

That statistic is fabricated. Last I remember, blacks make up less than 15% of the population. There is no way they could be responsible for 52% of homicides.

here's a non-wikipedia source for you: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...FEuFqGyvgd17N4Xvg&sig2=o024dZuGFKYlvt8UE7LD-A

Seriously did you not read what I posted or you just decided you would post about what you think I posted? You just proved my point blindly looking at the statistics without looking at them deeper just because you are arrested does not make you guilty of a crime. Look at Ferguson,Missouri a town of 21,000 people where 16,000 of those citizens had open arrest warrants. Are gonna go say Ferguson is a town full of criminals? Or are you gonna legitimately ask questions about why the hell in a town in the US 70% of its residents had active warrants for their arrests?

Ok, so you seriously think that a)there's a significant number of people wrongly arrested for murder(enough to skew the data) and b)almost all of the people wrongly arrested are of the same race.
 

akira28

Member
i fear that lone gunmen will morph into insurgency style attacks on soft targets associated with police.

Police were afraid for a reason, and I get that. But now they really have a real reason and I don't really see police as a whole being the ones to change anything or fix anything. Leave it up to them and shit will progressively get much worse.

We actually need politicians and leaders here, and not police.
 

Mahonay

Banned
Which makes an already disheartening situation even worse.

All things considered, Dallas PD does a decent job with all of this. BLM and the PD working together in a protest is really how it should be done. A protest to show solidarity towards a common cause. There were even pics of cops posing with protestors showing support.

Then....this guy....this freakin guy....
Yeah it's pretty heartbreaking.
 

kirblar

Member
Guys i am from the UK, and i just read Marco Rubio's statement. How did the GOP end up with trump? Honestly?
You have Nigel and Corbyn.

We have Trump and Sanders.

Difference is that our minority population (among other things) is a big enough % of the left and overall country that it derailed Sanders, and will derail Trump.
 
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