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Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)

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Inuhanyou

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I think the fact that the BLM protest last night was especially peaceful and the police department and the BLM protester coordinated the protest really is the worst sin of last night.

Because after an implicit trust and relationship like that, the ability to reach out to those you are trying to send a message to, goes off the rails and is destroyed by one person's criminal mind, it is hard to reset relations in both the narrative and the tone.

Whites are going to continue to think we are thugs who just like to whine for our own satisfaction, Blacks are not going to be able to understand police and continue these types of mindsets he had that set one person off on a mass shooting.

Its not good.

You have Nigel and Corbyn.

We have Trump and Sanders.

Difference is that our minority population (among other things) is a big enough % of the left and overall country that it derailed Sanders, and will derail Trump.

As a black person: don't compare Bernie Sanders to Trump. Ever. And don't use my race as a 'firewall' for the Clinton campaign.

He ran for a less than a year with no mindshare beforehand and got 1900 delegates. That's impressive and this force will continue to grow.
 

Figboy79

Aftershock LA
As a conservative that would probably get banned if I participated in this thread...thanks for this post and for sharing your experiences.

Thank you!

I'm always glad if my experiences can, at the least, bring some understanding in the people that take the time to read my long as fucking posts.
 
You're part of the problem, then.



here's a non-wikipedia source for you: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...FEuFqGyvgd17N4Xvg&sig2=o024dZuGFKYlvt8UE7LD-A



Ok, so you seriously think that a)there's a significant number of people wrongly arrested for murder(enough to skew the data) and b)almost all of the people wrongly arrested are of the same race.


No but go ahead and believe what you want to believe I am tired of doing this bs back and forth with people intent on keeping this at status quo i got better things to do.
Maybe I did misunderstand you but I'm not sure you got my point. I was pointing out that in a given year there are almost as many black homicide victims as white homicide victims - not suspects arrested. Since many murders go unsolved and we have a legal system which is unfair to minorities, I think this is actually a better stat to look at when determining who is committing murders based on race.

I agree with folks like Golden Eye on why this is the case, as I said earlier it's certainly not biological. No I don't think Ferguson is a town full of criminals.

Yeah I got your point. and its ok you misunderstood my point.
 

Lime

Member
The media narrative should be (1) the lack of mental health care in US society, along with (2) the treatment of ex-military returning from service, and finally (3) gun laws in the US allowing the mentally traumatized and unstable to acquire an assault rifle.

These are the problems that mainly caused this, not necessarily racial tensions.
 

kirblar

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IAs a black person: don't compare Bernie Sanders to Trump. Ever. And don't use my race as a 'firewall' for the Clinton campaign.

He ran for a less than a year with no mindshare beforehand and got 1900 delegates. That's impressive and this force will continue to grow.
No. (Also, that wasn't even the analogy being made, it was to Nigel.)
 

deefol

Member
So it turns out that the shooter used an SKS, not an 'assault rifle' or even an AR.

An SKS is considered a Curio & Relic and can legally be shipped direct to your door without going through an FFL. It is also a type of rifle that is legal to own in probably about 90% of jurisdictions on the planet.

Planet or just the USA?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
The media narrative should be (1) the lack of mental health care in US society, along with (2) the treatment of ex-military returning from service, and finally (3) gun laws in the US allowing the mentally traumatized and unstable to acquire an assault rifle.

These are the problems that mainly caused this, not necessarily racial tensions.


Mother fucker literally said he was pissed about the latest shootings of black men, and wanted to kill white people especially white cops.

It was fucking racial.
 

Gotchaye

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As a black person: don't compare Bernie Sanders to Trump. Ever. And don't use my race as a 'firewall' for the Clinton campaign.

He ran for a less than a year with no mindshare beforehand and got 1900 delegates. That's impressive and this force will continue to grow.

Sanders is being compared to Corbyn here. The idea is that both the UK and the US had a figure with very little establishment support try for the leadership of their left-wing party while at the same time an anti-immigrant populist whose proposals scare every reasonable person was torching their right-wing party and threatening to do the same to the whole country. In the UK Corbyn did become the leader of the Labour Party and Nigel Farage got the Conservatives to give him a referendum on Brexit which passed (which caused the Prime Minister who had let this happen to resign paving the way for a crazy PM although it kind of seems like nobody actually wants the job). In the US Sanders got beat and it seems likely that Trump will also lose. I don't really know what minority voting looked like in the UK, but at least in the US the black vote was extremely important for Clinton's win over Sanders and will also be a big part of Clinton's win over Trump (Hispanics will likely also be a big deal here).
 

Hip Hop

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The media narrative should be (1) the lack of mental health care in US society, along with (2) the treatment of ex-military returning from service, and finally (3) gun laws in the US allowing the mentally traumatized and unstable to acquire an assault rifle.

These are the problems that mainly caused this, not necessarily racial tensions.

So we're blaming this one on mental health now?

Nah, I don't buy it. This was racially motivated.
 

Lime

Member
Mother fucker literally said he was pissed about the latest shootings of black men, and wanted to kill white people especially white cops.

It was fucking racial.

And the dude wouldn't be able to kill if he was supervised, treated for PTSD, and didn't have easy access to an assault rifle
 

deefol

Member
The most terrifying part about this whole situation (besides the obvious) is that it exposed how woefully unprepared our police forces are against anyone with a hint of training. One man shouldn't have been able to cause as much mayhem as he did.

Could you imagine if it was a unit of say 8 or so similarly trained individuals, who weren't selective with their targets?

I shudder to think.

A very interesting point and it also brings up the question; how much training do American police officers receive?
 
No but go ahead and believe what you want to believe I am tired of doing this bs back and forth with people intent on keeping this at status quo i got better things to do.

I don't think his point was about keeping things a status quo, it's obvious things need to change. But more along the lines that if you take your emotions out of it and look at the numbers, homicides are committed in a hugely disproportionate number based upon race. When ~14% of the population commits ~50% of the murders, there is an issue. And it's not racist to point it out.
 

DrForester

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So how bad has Fox and the Conservative media been today? Watching NBC Nightly News and it's doing a really good job about separating the shooter from the protest.
 

MogCakes

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It was fucking racial.

Right. Let's not try to downplay anything about this guy. He was a racist, murderous asshole who killed and harmed multiple people and put many hundreds more in danger. He was fully lucid and cognizant of what he was doing, trained, and came prepared for combat. Completely premeditated. To say, insist, or imply otherwise is a disingenuous and dangerous narrative. He had no bearing on BLM and stood clearly opposed to its ideals, and his actions are a grand insult not only to his country and kin, but to the issues they are trying to face as well.

Having said that, it is plausible he suffered from undiagnosed mental health issues that may have pushed him towards this, and he never got the help that may have prevented this situation. So yes, he's a racist asshole and is fully responsible for his actions, but there are factors that led him down this path and perhaps PTSD is a contributor.
 
And that racist "instinct" isn't instinct at all. It's not something that we're naturally pre-disposed for, it's something that you've learned through cultural osmosis. A lifetime of having negative perceptions of minorities reinforced through film, television, books, cartoons, toys, music, and the news has a profound effect on how we view one another.

You might enjoy these:

http://www.newsweek.com/even-babies-discriminate-nurtureshock-excerpt-79233

and it's expansion:

http://www.racismreview.com/blog/20...m-a-newsweek-analysis-misses-the-big-picture/


and in the same vein:

http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/...not-talking-to-your-children-about-race/?_r=0
 

iamblades

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Planet or just the USA?

Planet, aside from the UK and Japan and South Korea(and probably a few other asian countries, who are usually strictest and often have total bans on firearms ownership), I cant think of many places that outright ban semi-auto rifles with fixed magazines.

I think some nations require the magazine to be pinned to fewer rounds, but most it is legal as is.

Certainly it would be legal throughout continental Europe and Scandinavia, presumably most of the Middle East, Africa and South America as well.

Legality doesn't mean it isn't more regulated than it is here, but there are very few nations that have outright bans on rifles of that type, because they are really not significant factors in crime.
 

Kilrogg

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And that racist "instinct" isn't instinct at all. It's not something that we're naturally pre-disposed for, it's something that you've learned through cultural osmosis. A lifetime of having negative perceptions of minorities reinforced through film, television, books, cartoons, toys, music, and the news has a profound effect on how we view one another. You can turn on the tv at nearly any point in your day and see some kind of negative portrayal or story of a minority, from blacks to mexicans, to muslims and persians and arabs, etc, etc. Seeing that day in and day out, no matter how open minded and fair you are is going to get to you. You have to actively be battling against the blatant demonizing of minorities in order to not have that sort of bombardment affect you.

I spent a lifetime thinking black people were awful, and I was "one of the good ones." It took me a long time to undo that mentality and realizing the root causes of that line of thinking.

Being a racist asshat isn't instinctual. When I lose my temper and get angry at someone, the first thing to pop into my mind isn't "fucking nigger, chink, spic, gook, cracker, and so on and so forth." Generally "fucking asshole," is my default insult.

I learned about the negatives of being a little black boy when I was 6 years old. Up until that point, I never once looked at the little white or Puerto Rican kids in my Kindergarten and First Grade glasses as anything other than my friends and classmates. I didn't really put much thought into some of them being white, some of them being black, etc, etc. In my family, I saw a whole range of skin tones, from light to dark (me being "high yellow" according to old aunts and uncles), so the white kids in my class never had me bat an eye. Then one day in class, I was told that I couldn't be Superman or Batman when we were playing on the playground because they were white, and I was black. From that day on, I saw that the majority of my heroes were white, and my own people were often buffoons, criminals, or incompetents.

That shaped the way I not only viewed my fellow black people, but myself as well. I grew up hating being black, and envying my white friends who had moms and dads, nice houses, all of the Transformers, GI Joes, LEGOS, and Thundercat toys. They always seemed happy and content. I saw that the vast majority of my black friends were just like me: raised by a single mother struggling to make ends meet, and still not being able to make ends meet. A woman who would starve herself to make sure that me and my sisters didn't go to bed hungry. While I loved and respected my mom for her strength, I couldn't help but despise being black.

It's why shows like The Cosby Show meant so much to my people. Why The Fresh Prince of Bell Air struck such a chord with blacks country round. Those shows were the few instances where we felt proud to be black. Where we found our self respect and strength, realizing that despite all that we have been through since we first set foot in this country, we persevere and carry on. That no matter how much we are demonized and victimized, and dehumanized, we can be more than "thugs" "coons," and "jiggaboos." That we're human, and capable of amazing things.

It's why things like this retaliation against cops is more damaging to black America than you really know. One misstep, and we're set back another dozen years in the eyes of the masses. Those poor cops didn't deserve to be killed, and the bitterness and anger is just going to bleed over onto innocent black men and women who want nothing more than peace and empathy. A lot of racists and diet racists are using this to turn off their empathy for the innocent blacks, and it's frustrating. Judge the individual, but that never seems to apply to us.

Racism has certainly been underground, but that's exactly why institutional racism is as strong and effective as it is. Minorities have been allowed to continue to be oppressed through so much legislation and under-handed tactics that there's no need to call someone a "nigger" to try and put him in his place. Denying his job application because he has a "black name" is much more damaging. Denying his loan. Denying his school admissions form. Incarcerating him for a minor infraction so that blemish is on his record for the rest of his life, tainting his future prospects for advancement. Racism has gone Sun Tzu on minorities. It's tactical and efficient. Police brutality is just one visceral example of how minorities are oppressed in this country.

This has been going on for decades, but thanks to the invention of the smart phone (with cameras), the rest of the world that was content to put their fingers in their ears and "la la la" their heads into the sand are forced to see the truth of the world minorities live in, and they don't like it. It shatters and disrupts their worldview, so even the most open minded of individuals finds themselves contorting with mental gymnastics to justify why the victim brought his end upon himself, because to accept the truth would be to accept a whole lot of not so pretty things about themselves, and the systemic racist institutions that have allowed them to pretty much live their lives unmolested by such bigotry and racism. I just wish that people could engage in meaningful discourse without getting so defensive when these ugly truths are exposed.

Great post. Sorry you've had to suffer from all this for so long. As a White dude who grew up in a mostly White neighborhood with a private school education in a European country, I can't even begin to fully comprehend the reality of it, so it's always hard for me to see the full picture - not saying I'm usually racist, thankfully I don't think I am, but I only know the intellectual reality of the situation, as opposed to knowing the physical reality of it. I'm glad eloquent people like you with real-life experience of discrimination exist and are willing to put it into words to make it more real for people like me. Hope the US and other countries (mine included) will eventually manage to see past those culturally-ingrained prejudices... Sooner rather than later. A shame shootings like this one achieve the exact opposite of what I assume is the intended effect, as you said.
 
The media narrative should be (1) the lack of mental health care in US society, along with (2) the treatment of ex-military returning from service, and finally (3) gun laws in the US allowing the mentally traumatized and unstable to acquire an assault rifle.

These are the problems that mainly caused this, not necessarily racial tensions.

Wait, you're serious? Or are you just copying the right-wing rhetoric for sarcasm?
 
Not necessarily.

We condemn the mental health excuse in other mass shooting examples. Let's not use it now.



I disagree. I think it is an important factor in all of these shootings. Did Omar Mateen or Adam Lanka seem mentally healthy to you? I think that if someone goes on a rampage and kills a bunch of people indiscriminately it is clear evidence of mental illness.

I don't mean that as an excuse, I just don't think it should be ignored.
 

riotous

Banned
Not necessarily.

We condemn the mental health excuse in other mass shooting examples. Let's not use it now.

Not everyone condemns discussions of mental health issues. Personally find the inability for many to even discuss that aspect without instantly jumping to "you are making an excuse and ignoring the real problem" obnoxious. Seen literally hundreds of circular conversations here caused by people being jumped on for calling someone crazy.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
And the dude wouldn't be able to kill if he was supervised, treated for PTSD, and didn't have easy access to an assault rifle


You don't know he had PTSD, anyone wouldn't be able to kill if they were supervised and the rifle didn't kill anyone, the person using it did. And you're willful ignoring what we DO know to try to spin this shit another way.
 

deefol

Member
Planet, aside from the UK and Japan and South Korea(and probably a few other asian countries, who are usually strictest and often have total bans on firearms ownership), I cant think of many places that outright ban semi-auto rifles with fixed magazines.

I think some nations require the magazine to be pinned to fewer rounds, but most it is legal as is.

Certainly it would be legal throughout continental Europe and Scandinavia, presumably most of the Middle East, Africa and South America as well.

Legality doesn't mean it isn't more regulated than it is here, but there are very few nations that have outright bans on rifles of that type, because they are really not significant factors in crime.

Most of those places you listed don't allow civilians to own any type of firearms
 
So we're blaming this one on mental health now?

Nah, I don't buy it. This was racially motivated.

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I disagree. I think it is an important factor in all of these shootings. Did Omar Mateen or Adam Lanka seem mentally healthy to you? I think that if someone goes on a rampage and kills a bunch of people indiscriminately it is clear evidence of mental illness.

I don't mean that as an excuse, I just don't think it should be ignored.

There's a difference between suffering mental illness and insanity though. Insanity implies legally you aren't responsible for your actions and are incapable of differentiating between right and wrong. You'd be surprised by the amount of completely sane people, including those with some form of mental illness, who murder and main people every year in the US.
 
Not everyone condemns discussions of mental health issues. Personally find the inability for many to even discuss that aspect without instantly jumping to "you are making an excuse and ignoring the real problem" obnoxious. Seen literally hundreds of circular conversations here caused by people being jumped on for calling someone crazy.

I'm glad you said it.

Mental health should always be a part of the conversation. Those who are suffering from delusional thinking, extreme trauma, extreme depression, extreme insomnia, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, etc should definitely not have access to guns. They are danger to themselves at the very least if not others. Background checks right now are too limited. regular ongoing preventative and rehabilitave mental health care needs to become standard. This way, everyone can be monitored for warning signs that might go off.
 
The "PTSD"--I honestly hate how general that diagnosis is, because it doesn't really capture the condition I'm going to try to describe--angle isn't entirely irrelevant, but it shouldn't be used to dismiss other possible factors, either.

The wars in Afghanistan and especially Iraq were slow, grinding wars that wore on patience and pride as much if not more than the physical health of soldiers. A great number of the young men and women involved in those wars volunteered in the wake of 9/11 with relatively high-minded motivations compared to the average enlistee: hoping to fight for a legitimately good cause, hoping to protect from a legitimate threat, or at the very least, hoping to exact a meaningful revenge. Particularly in the case of Iraq veterans, many of them were left feeling as if their contribution was trivialized and their purpose in the theatre indistinct or even non-existent, and in many cases (especially the prolonged early and Surge tours) that sentiment--a sort of mixture of self-loathing, anxiety, and futility--blossomed into a dangerous sort of "hero complex" where they felt the need to validate themselves in one way or another (through absurd machoismo, for example).

This is very different from what most people think of as PTSD--a reaction to a particularly horrific or terrifyingly violent event, full of flashbacks and nightmares--being something rooted instead in the feeling of utter pointlessness derived from a long, mostly tedious tour of duty spent not really understanding or caring about "the mission". It's a formula for creating martyrs begging for a cause.

That last part is important, though, because while this particular kind of post-deployment depression may predispose an individual toward suicidal sorts of (self-perceived) martyrdom, there still has to be some sort of cause for the individual to strongly believe in. The entire reason they get into this state is because they didn't believe in the cause they were fighting for to begin with, they're not just going to throw down their life for the first sort-of decent excuse that comes along. Mental illness, certainly, but not entirely without motive.

Apologies, this is all a bit rambling. The TL;DR version: the fact he's a veteran likely with untreated mental illness is most certainly substantial, but it doesn't make other motivating factors insubstantial.
 

D4Danger

Unconfirmed Member
I disagree. I think it is an important factor in all of these shootings. Did Omar Mateen or Adam Lanka seem mentally healthy to you? I think that if someone goes on a rampage and kills a bunch of people indiscriminately it is clear evidence of mental illness.

I don't mean that as an excuse, I just don't think it should be ignored.

mental illness isn't a path that leads to you going on a shooting spree. They are absolutely in control of what they're doing and why they're doing it even if it doesn't make sense to us.

There's obviously a lot of people out there suffering from some kind of mental illness and you hope they get the help they need before they harm themselves or others but these attacks are not that they are calculated attacks and should be treated as much.
 

entremet

Member
I disagree. I think it is an important factor in all of these shootings. Did Omar Mateen or Adam Lanka seem mentally healthy to you? I think that if someone goes on a rampage and kills a bunch of people indiscriminately it is clear evidence of mental illness.

I don't mean that as an excuse, I just don't think it should be ignored.

Not everyone condemns discussions of mental health issues. Personally find the inability for many to even discuss that aspect without instantly jumping to "you are making an excuse and ignoring the real problem" obnoxious. Seen literally hundreds of circular conversations here caused by people being jumped on for calling someone crazy.

Adam Lanza was diagnosed by a professional and had documented issues.

Not to sure about Manteen.

Dylan Roof seemed pretty rational and cold about his massacre. I don't remember any prior diagnoses.

I'm not saying it's not a possibility, similar to the man who killed Chris Kyle, but the superficial optics don't look it.

Was the Dallas killer diagnosed or treated for PSTD?
 

UncleMeat

Member
The "PTSD"--I honestly hate how general that diagnosis is, because it doesn't really capture the condition I'm going to try to describe--angle isn't entirely irrelevant, but it shouldn't be used to dismiss other possible factors, either.

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Apologies, this is all a bit rambling. The TL;DR version: the fact he's a veteran likely with untreated mental illness is most certainly substantial, but it doesn't make other motivating factors insubstantial.

Very informative post, thank you. It sounds very similar to the Vietnam War. Hopefully we learn something from it all but I doubt it.
 
mental illness isn't a path that leads to you going on a shooting spree. They are absolutely in control of what they're doing and why they're doing it even if it doesn't make sense to us.

There's obviously a lot of people out there suffering from some kind of mental illness and you hope they get the help they need before they harm themselves or others but these attacks are not that they are calculated attacks and should be treated as much.

eh, it's not so simple. when suffering from certain types of illness, the pain of existing is enough to make you want to hurt anything and everything including yourself to get some catharsis. it ain't easy to suppress that side. the longer that feeling drags on the more a complete plan forms in your head. yea, you are there so to speak but the overwhelming need for any kind of release starts to cloud empathy for others.

when suffer from an attack, I become debilitatingly I'll. often, I have thoughts of suicide so my biggest danger is to myself. still, it's very hard to walk myself off that ledge. luckily, I have a support structure of friends I cling to. not all people are so lucky.
 

Sax1031

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The suspected shooter in the Dallas attack on police officers was a former enlisted Army reservist who served for six years, including a stint in Afghanistan, personnel officials said on Friday.

Micah Xavier Johnson, 25, who allegedly shot and killed five law enforcement officers -- including four Dallas police officers and a Dallas Area Rapid Transit officer, two of whom were also military veterans -- entered the Army Reserve in March 2009 at age 18 from his home of record at the time in Mesquite, Texas, the service said in a statement to Military.com.

Johnson was a private first class (E-3) at the time of discharge in April 2015, the Army said. His junior rank after so many years in the service may stem from a sexual harassment case he faced, a source told Military.com. Johnson was a carpentry and masonry specialist with a military occupational specialty of 12W, the service said.

Johnson was assigned to an engineer brigade in Seagoville, Texas, in September 2013 and was activated that same month to support Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan, where he served with the 420th Engineer Brigade from November 2013 to July 2014. He ended his time in uniform with the same unit.

Johnson's tour in Afghanistan was cut short after a female soldier filed a sexual harassment complaint against him, according to Bradford J. Glendening, an attorney in the Reserve Judge Advocate's General (JAG) Corps and a member of the 22nd Legal Operations Detachment, a trial defense unit whose headquarters is based at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, Texas.

Glendening, who represented Johnson in the case, said the woman requested a protective order against Johnson for herself, her family and place of residence -- and that he undergo mental health counseling.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...-identified-as-former-us-soldier-reports.html
 

D4Danger

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eh, it's not so simple. when suffering from certain types of illness, the pain of existing is enough to make you want to hurt anything and everything including yourself to get some catharsis. it ain't easy to suppress that side. the longer that feeling drags on the more a complete plan forms in your head. yea, you are there so to speak but the overwhelming need for any kind of release starts to cloud empathy for others.

when suffer from an attack, I become debilitatingly I'll. often, I have thoughts of suicide so my biggest danger is to myself. still, it's very hard to walk myself off that ledge. luckily, I have a support structure of friends I cling to. not all people are so lucky.

I'm not even going to pretend to know what this is like. I just wanted to say that while mental illness could certainly make people do things it shouldn't be flippantly used as an excuse or way to justify someone's actions. Some people just do awful things for awful reasons.
 

Figboy79

Aftershock LA
Great post. Sorry you've had to suffer from all this for so long. As a White dude who grew up in a mostly White neighborhood with a private school education in a European country, I can't even begin to fully comprehend the reality of it, so it's always hard for me to see the full picture - not saying I'm usually racist, thankfully I don't think I am, but I only know the intellectual reality of the situation, as opposed to knowing the physical reality of it. I'm glad eloquent people like you with real-life experience of discrimination exist and are willing to put it into words to make it more real for people like me. Hope the US and other countries (mine included) will eventually manage to see past those culturally-ingrained prejudices... Sooner rather than later. A shame shootings like this one achieve the exact opposite of what I assume is the intended effect, as you said.

Thank you for the kind words! I'm also glad that my experiences, as awful as they've been for me, can be used to being some understanding to those that maybe don't really know the depth of the struggle minorities in America live with every day.

I live in Los Angeles, one of the self professed most liberal places in the world, but I've had more than my fair share of racism and discrimination since I moved here. My wife is white, and we get a lot of absurd looks when we're walking down the street holding hands. Not to mention the whispered comments that they think I didn't catch as we walked by. It's frustrating.

For the first five years of my life I loved in a bubble concerning race relations. Unfortunately, that bubble was burst the next year, but it's given me plenty of time to study and educate myself on why things the way they are, and decide if I was going to let my rage and frustration consume me, or continue to try and extend olive branches and understanding to others that don't know, or care to know. And my experiences are tame as fuck compared to the things my mother, father, aunts, uncles, cousins, sisters, etc have been through.
 
I'm not even going to pretend to know what this is like. I just wanted to say that while mental illness could certainly make people do things it shouldn't be flippantly used as an excuse or way to justify someone's actions. Some people just do awful things for awful reasons.

oh, it's not an excuse to justify what they do. for me, it's a reason for the country to do better and focus on rehabilitating those who need it as well as monitor them so they don't harm anyone. nothing's going to change the past. We can however pave the way to a better future.
 

dangeraaron10

Unconfirmed Member
Time to go build a bunker in Antarctica. Just me and my newfound penguin friends. I want off this psychopathic crazy train. It's times like these that make me very ashamed to be an American.
 

qcf x2

Member
Sure you can suppress your racism and act rationally while you are calm, but when you are in a heated situation you revert to instincts. You don't think, you just act. There are people who are not racist whatsoever, but when they get robbed by a male in the heat of the moment, their anger goes out and they start spewing racist crap. I've seen it from my own sister. She's never said a bad thing about a black person in my life but when her car got broken into she made some questionable statements.

As a society we have been told to suppress our racism, and for the last decade it has made it seem like racism is gone. It's still there, just extremely hidden.

That means your sister had racist tendencies inside of her and you just hadn't seen it, man. I don't have a bad experience with someone who is (insert race) and refer to them "in the heat of the moment" as (insert racial slur). E-V-E-R. Read that again, EVER. That's vile and a sign of a very flawed person. A jackass is a jackass, a motherfucker is a motherfucker and a bitch is a bitch, regardless of race, nationality, religion, etc. Has nothing to do with race, being a bad or good person has nothing to do with race!
 
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