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Suicide Squad's box office business plunges just like Batman v Superman's did

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gamz

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Gitesh Pandya ‏@GiteshPandya 6m6 minutes ago

#SuicideSquad crashes 67% in 2nd wknd to $43.8M, but still holds #1 spot. $222.9M cume.
 
What would a live action lego movie even be?

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BocoDragon

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Well, good.

My big fear was that mass audiences didn't even care about quality, and this cinematic universe could just coast along on crap like the Transformers films.

Good job, mass audience.
 

Sojgat

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why doesn't WB just create their own studio for DC movies like disney did with marvel

Disney bought Marvel Studios, who were already making successful and well liked movies based on super hero properties they had already established a vision for.

I'm sure WB would love to be in a similar situation.
 
Really? I thought it wasn't very good, honestly.

Look at all the qualities that define the Joker.


He's fun, but Leto wasn't really having much fun. He just looked like a teenager rebelling against his father, which is amazing because Leto is 10 years older than Ledger ever got to be.

He's crazy, obviously, and has been played as crazy in both a scary way and a silly way. But either way, Leto's interpretation of this was just to make as many Joker-sounding grunts and growls in the hopes that it would stick. The Joker is an over the top person, but even with all the mannerisms, Ledger still comes off as a person.

The Joker has presence. He doesn't play second fiddle. Think of a cartoon, movie, or video game in which The Joker didn't dominate every scene he was in. He makes Batman shut up until the fighting is done. Not only did Harley Quinn make him look like a lovesick boy, but his own presence was lacking. I never saw Leto on screen and thought "That guy's really in charge."

Leto's worst crime of all isn't that he's just bad, but that he turns the most dangerous person in Gotham City, a madman who blows up hospitals, robs banks, and inflicts unthinkable acts of violence into a boy whose greatest aspiration is to pick up his girlfriend.

And even his mannerisms, which can certainly make for an entertaining performance are off. I kept thinking "No, your voice should have been lower or higher." or "No, that laugh should have sounded different."

The Joker can be many things, but he's not small and don't give me the script excuse. Even one scene of Ledger's joker was enough to establish his dominance over the screen.

The only thing I remember from Letos Joker is he sitting on that prison guard gambler's lap, such a creep.

Why do Jokers henchmen dress in suits anyway. If your boss dress in clown suit, would you get up 10 minutes earlier everyday and make sure you are ready in business attire?

Also thoes dental braces. I kept wondering how do Joker brush his teeth. I can't
 

Garlador

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As someone who doesn't read comics I find every one of those characters outside of Batman to be laughably silly. Not sure how they can build a cinematic universe around them.
You make it a tad silly, of course.

Marvel has a talking space raccoon and a shrinking guy who talks to ants. You go all in.

DC has even wackier characters too, like Plastic Man and Booster Gold.
 
Disney bought Marvel Studios, who were already making successful and well liked movies based on super hero properties they had already established a vision for.

I'm sure WB would love to be in a similar situation.
disney bought marvel corp. i guess that included marvel studios. WB already owned dc by the time they were churning movies, but i'm saying for them to be in a similar situation, why don't they make DC its own studio?
 

Apt101

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Thats unfortunate. DC/WB needs to really rethink their strategy of letting Snyder guide their world, and maybe even think about just junking it all after Wonder Woman and restarting with proper talent.
 

gamz

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Thats unfortunate. DC/WB needs to really rethink their strategy of letting Snyder guide their world, and maybe even think about just junking it all after Wonder Woman and restarting with proper talent.

Snyder already has less power. The talent is there just gotta move forward.
 

Slayven

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MOS made 600 plus worldwide. BvS made 800 million plus worldwide. SS made 300 million worldwide in a week. Most studios would love to fail that much.

Ironman 3 made over a 1.2 billion dollars

A movie that has Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman had to claw to 800 million
 
what is it with defensive dc fans and thor 2 cards :D

Its the "Appeal to worse things" logical fallacy, also known as the "Starving Kids in Africa!" Fallacy.

A rather stupid argument, actually, since they're essentially acknowledging the movie sucks but still trying to present something else as being worse.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
As someone who doesn't read comics I find every one of those characters outside of Batman to be laughably silly. Not sure how they can build a cinematic universe around them.

Maybe you should try watching the show this image is from before formulating that opinion.
 
Hey, I hated Thor 2 before it was a thing. Terrible film. Just like MOS.

MoS is pretty decent compared to SS though :O

and I donno where you are going with that statement of hating something before it was a thing. are you establishing some street cred or something? :>
 

firelogic

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I love what WB/DC is doing with their movies. I liked Man of Steel. Loved BvS. Liked SS. I honestly don't know why everyone wants a carbon copy of the MCU just with DC characters. I'm so sick of the generic identical looking and feeling MCU movies that have terrible writing, a one liner every minute, and terrible villains. I've skipped the last 3 at the theatre because I know exactly what to expect.

A little variety is a good thing. Instead of crucifying the DCEU for being different, how about giving it a chance? So many people have this knee-jerk reaction to them because it's not the MCU and they tell themselves they're giving it a fair chance but you're really not. You go in wanting to hate it and you leave haying it and picking it apart for things you gave a free pass to in the MCU.

Want to know the biggest complaint I've read about suicide squad? It's "where was Batman, flash, wonder woman?" They say that the movie should have explained why they weren't there. Well those same people give every MCU solo movie a pass. They never ask where the other heroes are and don't complain. That the movie doesn't tell them why they're not helping. Double standards.
 
Want to know the biggest complaint I've read about suicide squad? It's "where was Batman, flash, wonder woman?" They say that the movie should have explained why they weren't there. Well those same people give every MCU solo movie a pass. They never ask where the other heroes are and don't complain. That the movie doesn't tell them why they're not helping. Double standards.

This is literally the first time I've heard of this complaint.
 

Sojgat

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disney bought marvel corp. i guess that included marvel studios. WB already owned dc by the time they were churning movies, but i'm saying for them to be in a similar situation, why don't they make DC its own studio?

I don't know what their thought processes are. The answer to every problem in regards to DC has just been to throw Geoff Johns at it. Something that has NEVER worked in the past.
 

Kazuhira

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what can i say? It was a terrible movie(not funny,terrible pacing,battles were boring,awful dialogue,boring characters etc etc).
 
The issue I have with Leto's Joker is that he was obviously placed in movie for no reason other than to make the film more marketable. You could have taken all the Joker scenes out of SS and it wouldn't have made a difference.

It's the Joker. He should either be front and centre, or a menace behind the scenes. Not a little boy lost pining for his girlfriend that he left languishing in prison for ages, when as the ending shows
he could have busted her out at any time

I'd have loved Suicide Squad to be a smaller scale affair instead of confronting another world destroying threat that the Squad has no business tackling. A sort of heist-style movie to take down some crime organisation where the member's talents - Deadshot's marksmanship, Boomerang's spying 'rangs, Croc's ability to breath underwater, Harley's sex appeal as distraction tactics, El Diablo's flames to break into spaces - are put to inventive use. Then have their plans meddled along the way, with Joker cards left at the scene, building up to the reveal that Joker had been playing them all along. But that would take a steadier hand and a longer-term vision to execute, rather than the 'press fast forward for profit' approach we got.
 

kurahador

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As someone who doesn't read comics I find every one of those characters outside of Batman to be laughably silly. Not sure how they can build a cinematic universe around them.

This sounds like something WB executives would say. You don't need to read the comics, just watching the first 2 season of Justice League cartoon is enough.
 
I love what WB/DC is doing with their movies. I liked Man of Steel. Loved BvS. Liked SS. I honestly don't know why everyone wants a carbon copy of the MCU just with DC characters. I'm so sick of the generic identical looking and feeling MCU movies that have terrible writing, a one liner every minute, and terrible villains. I've skipped the last 3 at the theatre because I know exactly what to expect.

A little variety is a good thing. Instead of crucifying the DCEU for being different, how about giving it a chance? So many people have this knee-jerk reaction to them because it's not the MCU and they tell themselves they're giving it a fair chance but you're really not. You go in wanting to hate it and you leave haying it and picking it apart for things you gave a free pass to in the MCU.

Want to know the biggest complaint I've read about suicide squad? It's "where was Batman, flash, wonder woman?" They say that the movie should have explained why they weren't there. Well those same people give every MCU solo movie a pass. They never ask where the other heroes are and don't complain. That the movie doesn't tell them why they're not helping. Double standards.

i donno dude. i liked MoS and BvS but I cant with SS :x

and ive seen that same question asked a million times in the MCU too, like why was so-and-so not in blahblah movie in the MCU (eg. where was tony stark in captain america: winter soldier?, etc)

bolded part also makes me cringe hard >___<
 

icespide

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I love what WB/DC is doing with their movies. I liked Man of Steel. Loved BvS. Liked SS. I honestly don't know why everyone wants a carbon copy of the MCU just with DC characters. I'm so sick of the generic identical looking and feeling MCU movies that have terrible writing, a one liner every minute, and terrible villains. I've skipped the last 3 at the theatre because I know exactly what to expect.

A little variety is a good thing. Instead of crucifying the DCEU for being different, how about giving it a chance? So many people have this knee-jerk reaction to them because it's not the MCU and they tell themselves they're giving it a fair chance but you're really not. You go in wanting to hate it and you leave haying it and picking it apart for things you gave a free pass to in the MCU.

Want to know the biggest complaint I've read about suicide squad? It's "where was Batman, flash, wonder woman?" They say that the movie should have explained why they weren't there. Well those same people give every MCU solo movie a pass. They never ask where the other heroes are and don't complain. That the movie doesn't tell them why they're not helping. Double standards.
no one wants a carbon copy of the MCU. they just want good movies
 

jmood88

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I love what WB/DC is doing with their movies. I liked Man of Steel. Loved BvS. Liked SS. I honestly don't know why everyone wants a carbon copy of the MCU just with DC characters. I'm so sick of the generic identical looking and feeling MCU movies that have terrible writing, a one liner every minute, and terrible villains. I've skipped the last 3 at the theatre because I know exactly what to expect.

A little variety is a good thing. Instead of crucifying the DCEU for being different, how about giving it a chance? So many people have this knee-jerk reaction to them because it's not the MCU and they tell themselves they're giving it a fair chance but you're really not. You go in wanting to hate it and you leave haying it and picking it apart for things you gave a free pass to in the MCU.
They aren't doing anything different or ridiculously creative, they're just making bad movies. They got my money three times for their bullshit and won't be given anymore until they decide that they want to make something good

Want to know the biggest complaint I've read about suicide squad? It's "where was Batman, flash, wonder woman?" They say that the movie should have explained why they weren't there. Well those same people give every MCU solo movie a pass. They never ask where the other heroes are and don't complain. That the movie doesn't tell them why they're not helping. Double standards.
1. I have no idea what you're reading where that's the biggest complaint over the lack of a cohesive script

2. Every MCU movie that has taken place after the first Avengers has had people questioning why the other Avengers didn't show up to help, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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Jpop

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I mean this past week I've heard people just walking around telling their friends not to go aee the movie, that it isn't worth their time. So not surprising imo.
 

Blader

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A little variety is a good thing. Instead of crucifying the DCEU for being different, how about giving it a chance? So many people have this knee-jerk reaction to them because it's not the MCU and they tell themselves they're giving it a fair chance but you're really not. You go in wanting to hate it and you leave haying it and picking it apart for things you gave a free pass to in the MCU.

Or maybe most people are giving these movies a chance and just come out not liking them because they're not fucking good?

I love Nolan's TDK trilogy; TDK and Begins are my top two superhero movies, and I like Rises more than all of two Marvel movies. I like Watchmen quite a bit. And there's only a handful of MCU movies I really like. I did not walk into Man of Steel or BvS ready to hate them because they aren't Marvel. I came out not liking them because I thought they were weak movies.

Want to know the biggest complaint I've read about suicide squad? It's "where was Batman, flash, wonder woman?" They say that the movie should have explained why they weren't there. Well those same people give every MCU solo movie a pass. They never ask where the other heroes are and don't complain. That the movie doesn't tell them why they're not helping. Double standards.

That's odd, because the biggest and most consistent complaints I've read about had to do with pacing, tone, editing, the script, the third act threat, Joker's superfluous subplot, etc. I don't think I've seen a single review or GAFer, for that matter, ask where Batman and WW were.

And people did complain about the lack of Avengers in Iron Man 3 and Winter Soldier, so I don't know what you're talking about.
 

massoluk

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I love what WB/DC is doing with their movies. I liked Man of Steel. Loved BvS. Liked SS. I honestly don't know why everyone wants a carbon copy of the MCU just with DC characters. I'm so sick of the generic identical looking and feeling MCU movies that have terrible writing, a one liner every minute, and terrible villains. I've skipped the last 3 at the theatre because I know exactly what to expect.

Oh please, we don't all expect a copy of MCU, just a competent movie. I chuckled if you think DCEU so far have good writing and villains. I'll give you the one liner thing

A little variety is a good thing. Instead of crucifying the DCEU for being different, how about giving it a chance? So many people have this knee-jerk reaction to them because it's not the MCU and they tell themselves they're giving it a fair chance but you're really not. You go in wanting to hate it and you leave haying it and picking it apart for things you gave a free pass to in the MCU.

Again, we didn't ask for the same, we asked for a competent movie. I thought BvS was going to be good so hard because Affleck and Terrio were supposedly involved with the final product. Oh chuck. I gave them a chance with BvS because I think MoS was not outright terrible. I gave the chance with Suicide Squad because Snyder wasn't directing. Don't use this line about not giving DC a chance. Don't give me this bull shit.
Want to know the biggest complaint I've read about suicide squad? It's "where was Batman, flash, wonder woman?" They say that the movie should have explained why they weren't there. Well those same people give every MCU solo movie a pass. They never ask where the other heroes are and don't complain. That the movie doesn't tell them why they're not helping. Double standards.

Bull shit, THAT'S NOT THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT
 

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jmood88 said:
2. Every MCU movie that has taken place after the first Avengers has had people questioning why the other Avengers didn't show up to help, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Eh? Maybe in the mass public opinion, but I haven't asked where Ironman and the like were for Winter Soldier. Probably because I got that their solo films were solo films. If anything, I've been asking "where the hell is a Hawkeye (based on Matt Fraction's run) and Black Widow solo film?!"
 
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