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[Necrophage]

I get your point. Maybe you're right , maybe not. But , at the end of the day , who cares? What changes?

I care. Because people want to jump on the bandwagon and claim "disgusting racism" but can't be subjective and understand how this also applies to how people view police in the U.S. It's fucking bigotry and it's disgusting. If we're going to have a productive conversation about the topic, at least take a second to think about both parties and try to understand why people feel the way they do and how this situation is possible. THEN we can have a productive discussion about why the is an issue and get to the root cause.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Holy crap you really do think police should be a protected class

 

[Llyranor]

1) The police is one of the most powerful groups in society. Muslims the most disenfranchised.
2) Even if you decide to ignore the numerous unjustified killings as isolated events, the institutionalized racism pervasive in the police force is very real. How else can you explain the incarceration stats? Why do people fear a group holding power over them that exercises demonstrated institutionalized racism? HMM
3) The 'good ones' in the police force don't say anything. There is a silent acceptance of these killings. Islamic killings are constantly condemned by numerous muslim groups all the world (people choose to ignore them, but that's a different topic)
4) Police killings still get defended by a good portion of society. The justice system lets them get scot-free in many cases.

 

[Necrophage]

Holy crap you really do think police should be a protected class

I shouldn't even reply to this, because not once did I say that. My opening statement established that police brutality is a real thing. Verbatim. What kills me is that people can understand a GENERALIZED fear of police but can't understand a fear of Muslims in a country that was just attacked BY MUSLIMS. Please practice comprehension, or at least read the comments you're replying to.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

I shouldn't even reply to this, because not once did I say that. My opening statement established that police brutality is a real thing. Verbatim. What kills me is that people can understand a GENERALIZED fear of police but can't understand a fear of Muslims in a country that was just attacked BY MUSLIMS. Please practice comprehension, or at least read the comments you're replying to.

You called "how people view the police in the US" "fucking bigotry." That's a ridiculously offensive statement designed to compare police to actual marginalized minority groups.

 

[Necrophage]

1) The police is one of the most powerful groups in society. Muslims the most disenfranchised.
2) Even if you decide to ignore the numerous unjustified killings as isolated events, the institutionalized racism pervasive in the police force is very real. How else can you explain the incarceration stats? Why do people fear a group holding power over them that exercises demonstrated institutionalized racism? HMM
3) The 'good ones' in the police force don't say anything. There is a silent acceptance of these killings. Islamic killings are constantly condemned by numerous muslim groups all the world (people choose to ignore them, but that's a different topic)
4) Police killings still get defended by a good portion of society. The justice system lets them get scot-free in many cases.

Have you been under a rock for the past 20+ years? Muslim extremists believe that ANYONE that doesn't adhere to their faith should be killed. And the oppressed Muslims who don't feel the same way, also don't speak out for fear of being killed. And Muslims are disenfranchised? The actual fuck. The religion is one of the most practiced in the world.

 

[Necrophage]

You called "how people view the police in the US" "fucking bigotry." That's a ridiculously offensive statement designed to compare police to actual marginalized minority groups.

This is the last time I'm going to reply to you, because this is getting ridiculous. The bigotry lies in the fact that people can understand a fear of police given the situation, but not a fear of Muslims. Stop posting. Please. Because I feel this weird need to explain things to you so they're not taken out of context, even though they were clearly explained in my previous posts.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

This is the last time I'm going to reply to you, because this is getting ridiculous. The bigotry lies in the fact that people can understand a fear of police given the situation, but not a fear of Muslims. Stop posting. Please. Because I feel this weird need to explain things to you so they're not taken out of context, even though they were clearly explained in my previous posts.

I mean, are we working off of the same rules here? Maybe you're not American (I assumed you were given the comments about police in America, but then again I'm commenting on a story about Muslims in France, so fair enough if you're not) and you're from some other country where bigoted means something different? To me, a bigot is someone who has intolerant views on race or religion. Not police.

 

[Necrophage]

I mean, are we working off of the same rules here? Maybe you're not American (I assumed you were given the comments about police in America, but then again I'm commenting on a story about Muslims in France, so fair enough if you're not) and you're from some other country where bigoted means something different? To me, a bigot is someone who has intolerant views on race or religion. Not police.

I know I said I was done, but holy fucking shit. In case you didn't know, which you apparently don't, bigotry does NOT only apply to topics involving race or religion.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

I know I said I was done, but holy fucking shit. In case you didn't know, which you apparently don't, bigotry does NOT only apply to topics involving race or religion.

It's certainly the most common use of it, and the one that would come to mind most readily when you're directly comparing it to issues of race and religion.

 

[bionic77]

Wow there always seem to be a few posters who try to justify or rationalize these things whenever it happens to muslims.

I guess I should focus on the fact that the vast majority of people in these threads do not act like that.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

The real problem is all the anti-dentites. Fucking bigotry.

 

[The Doc]

I care. Because people want to jump on the bandwagon and claim "disgusting racism" but can't be subjective and understand how this also applies to how people view police in the U.S. It's fucking bigotry and it's disgusting. If we're going to have a productive conversation about the topic, at least take a second to think about both parties and try to understand why people feel the way they do and how this situation is possible. THEN we can have a productive discussion about why the is an issue and get to the root cause.

well , you focus on mass behavior while everyone else here is talking about civil coexistence. At least you're supposed to elaborate your scientific theories. Evidences , references , you know , this shit.
Nevertheless you may lay yourself open to misunderstanding.

 

[Necrophage]

Wow there always seem to be a few posters who try to justify or rationalize these things whenever it happens to muslims.

I guess I should focus on the fact that the vast majority of people in these threads do not act like that.

Wow there always seem to be a few posters that try to overlook the discussion at hand and try to make a statement that's not conducive to a healthy debate.

I guess I should focus on the fact that the average poster has zero comprehension skills, and just assume that any point made is going to be overlooked, not discussed properly, and buried under the mass OMG RACIST shitposts.

 

[Necrophage]

well , you focus on mass behavior while everyone else here is talking about civil coexistence. At least you're supposed to elaborate your scientific theories. Evidences , references , you know , this shit.
Nevertheless you may lay yourself open to misunderstanding.

I'm not establishing some profound theory backed by countless studies on cultural reactions to terrorist attacks. Country attacked by Muslims = unhealthy fear of Muslims. Country ravaged by police = unhealthy fear of police. One is accepted here, the other isn't.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

I'm not establishing some profound theory backed by countless studies on cultural reactions to terrorist attacks. Country attacked by Muslims = unhealthy fear of Muslims. Country ravaged by police = unhealthy fear of police. One is accepted here, the other isn't.

Maybe if your internal analysis went beyond two whole sentences you could come up with some reasons for why that different reaction exists.

 

[Necrophage]

Maybe if your internal analysis went beyond two whole sentences you could come up with some reasons for why that different reaction exists.

Maybe if your agenda went beyond an inch in front of your nose, maybe you could come up with something that actually makes sense.

 

[Llyranor]

Have you been under a rock for the past 20+ years? Muslim extremists believe that ANYONE that doesn't adhere to their faith should be killed. And the oppressed Muslims who don't feel the same way, also don't speak out for fear of being killed. And Muslims are disenfranchised? The actual fuck. The religion is one of the most practiced in the world.

Are you suggesting Muslims in the western world (such as France in this example) are not disenfranchised because ISIS exerts power someplace halfway across the world?

 

[Sai-kun]

I'm not establishing some profound theory backed by countless studies on cultural reactions to terrorist attacks. Country attacked by Muslims = unhealthy fear of Muslims. Country ravaged by police = unhealthy fear of police. One is accepted here, the other isn't.

And yet here in America, white men seem to be doing just fine 🤔 Your summary of what you think is happening is so devoid of actual statistics and context that I think it's probably you who should stop posting.

 

[Htown]

And just like every other thread about European discrimination against Muslims, this one has turned to total shit.

The open bigotry in these threads would be funny if it weren't so predictable.

 

[The Doc]

I'm not establishing some profound theory backed by countless studies on cultural reactions to terrorist attacks. Country attacked by Muslims = unhealthy fear of Muslims. Country ravaged by police = unhealthy fear of police. One is accepted here, the other isn't.

I don't know if your parallelism is legitimate. Different contexts , different cultures , different events. To me , it's pointless and not evidence based.
Let's assume you are right. What are the consequences , practically? Softer verdicts?

 

[RK9039]

I'm not establishing some profound theory backed by countless studies on cultural reactions to terrorist attacks. Country attacked by Muslims = unhealthy fear of Muslims. Country ravaged by police = unhealthy fear of police. One is accepted here, the other isn't.

What public sector organisation do extremist Muslims, the kind that are behind attacks on innocent lives, belong to again?

 

[NEO0MJ]

And just like every other thread about European discrimination against Muslims, this one has turned to total shit.

The open bigotry in these threads would be funny if it weren't so predictable.

To be fair it's mostly one poster but he fights with the fury of a thousand demons.

 

[bionic77]

And just like every other thread about European discrimination against Muslims, this one has turned to total shit.

The open bigotry in these threads would be funny if it weren't so predictable.

It is easy to just shout bigotry when you see obvious bigotry in a thread.

But did you really think about the why is it ok for us to be afraid of sharks after a shark attacks but why is it not ok to openly discriminate against muslims? No one would bat an eye if a great white shark was denied access to a restaurant but everyone freaks out if a muslim is denied access. I just wish that in a thread about discrimination against muslim women we would give equal time to how sharks are treated.

 

[Necrophage]

And yet here in America, white men seem to be doing just fine 🤔 Your summary of what you think is happening is so devoid of actual statistics and context that I think it's probably you who should stop posting.

It's funny, Sai-kun, that a large portion of your posts fall back on white privilege in America. I like how you claim my thoughts on what's happening are devoid of statistics and context, but you establish none to back your own opinion. Is it that easy to shit on someone who has thoroughly established their opinion on the conversation because you feel so justified? Hell my point had nothing to do with white men in specific in the first place. Take your bullshit rhetoric somewhere else.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Maybe if your agenda went beyond an inch in front of your nose, maybe you could come up with something that actually makes sense.

I'm accused of having an "agenda" by the guy who brings up American police in a thread that has nothing to do with America or police...

 

[Htown]

To be fair it's mostly one poster but he fights with the fury of a thousand demons.

That poster wasn't the first, and if the thread keeps going they won't be the last.

It is easy to just shout bigotry when you see obvious bigotry in a thread.

But did you really think about the why is it ok for us to be afraid of sharks after a shark attacks but why is it not ok to openly discriminate against muslims? No one would bat an eye if a great white shark was denied access to a restaurant but everyone freaks out if a muslim is denied access. I just wish that in a thread about discrimination against muslim women we would give equal time to how sharks are treated.

lol

 

[Murkas]

And just like every other thread about European discrimination against Muslims, this one has turned to total shit.

The open bigotry in these threads would be funny if it weren't so predictable.

When this BS happens in blackface/Halloween or BLM threads the assholes are quickly banned, most likely because Bishoptl is watching those threads like a hawk, don't think there's a mod equivalent doing the same with Muslim/Arab threads.

 

[MistakenMobius]

From a statistical perspective, the pew research center found that 42% of young French Muslim support suicide bombing (page 60 (numbered 53) of the report.

https://web.archive.org/web/2015050...s/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

 

[Sai-kun]

It's funny, Sai-kun, that a large portion of your posts fall back on white privilege in America. I like how you claim my thoughts on what's happening are devoid of statistics and context, but you establish none to back your own opinion. Is it that easy to shit on someone who has thoroughly established their opinion on the conversation because you feel so justified? Hell my point had nothing to do with white men in specific in the first place. Take your bullshit rhetoric somewhere else.

Sort of like this topic didn't have anything to do with the police? 🤔 interesting

 

[RK9039]

It is easy to just shout bigotry when you see obvious bigotry in a thread.

But did you really think about the why is it ok for us to be afraid of sharks after a shark attacks but why is it not ok to openly discriminate against muslims? No one would bat an eye if a great white shark was denied access to a restaurant but everyone freaks out if a muslim is denied access. I just wish that in a thread about discrimination against muslim women we would give equal time to how sharks are treated.

 

[Henkka]

It is easy to just shout bigotry when you see obvious bigotry in a thread.

But did you really think about the why is it ok for us to be afraid of sharks after a shark attacks but why is it not ok to openly discriminate against muslims? No one would bat an eye if a great white shark was denied access to a restaurant but everyone freaks out if a muslim is denied access. I just wish that in a thread about discrimination against muslim women we would give equal time to how sharks are treated.

You're comparing police officers... to predatory animals? Am I reading that right?

 

[Necrophage]

Sort of like this topic didn't have anything to do with the police? 🤔 interesting

But yet if you actually read my posts, it's surprisingly relevant.

 

[RocknRola]

Wow. This is even worse than the previous case. Holy crap...

Thank God Portugal made a hard left turn in 2015. With all this BS happening across Europe the right would have a field day if they were in charge.

 

[Nervous Sausage]

And yet here in America, white men seem to be doing just fine 🤔 Your summary of what you think is happening is so devoid of actual statistics and context that I think it's probably you who should stop posting.

I feel like a lot of people can't seem to understand the simplicity of what Necrophage is saying. He's not condoning it, or saying it's the necessarily best reaction to have but if your country recently got attacked TWICE in one year in such a brutal fashion from Muslim extremists, the natural reaction from anyone would to at least be a little afraid of Muslims afterwards. As for your point about white men, in relation to Necrophage's comment about the police, that isn't applicable. One only has to look at the recent story about a Taco bell employee refusing to serve a couple of cops in the US to see the EXACT same scenario posted by the OP about the Muslim women. Not saying it's right, but this fear isn't entirely unfounded.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

From a statistical perspective, the pew research center found that 42% of young French Muslim support suicide bombing (page 60 (numbered 53) of the report.

https://web.archive.org/web/2015050...s/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Probably in Palestine against the occupier.

 

[Necrophage]

I feel like a lot of people can't seem to understand the simplicity of what Necrophage is saying. He's not condoning it, or saying it's the necessarily best reaction to have but if your country recently got attacked TWICE in one year in such a brutal fashion from Muslim extremists, the natural reaction from anyone would to at least be a little afraid of Muslims afterwards. As for your point about white men, in relation to Necrophage's comment about the police, that isn't applicable. One only has to look at the recent story about a Taco bell employee refusing to serve a couple of cops in the US to see the EXACT same scenario posted by the OP about the Muslim women. Not saying it's right, but this fear isn't entirely unfounded.

Holy shit thank you. THANK YOU! Someone who isn't going to outright attack me for making a legitimate comparison.

 

[Septy]

Meanwhile in Indonesia, we've just had an attempt to murder hundreds of Christians.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cide-bomb-and-axe-attacks-church-in-indonesia

Fortunately the idiot couldn't create a decent bomb.

 

[Sai-kun]

I feel like a lot of people can't seem to understand the simplicity of what Necrophage is saying. He's not condoning it, or saying it's the necessarily best reaction to have but if your country recently got attacked TWICE in one year in such a brutal fashion from Muslim extremists, the natural reaction from anyone would to at least be a little afraid of Muslims afterwards. As for your point about white men, in relation to Necrophage's comment about the police, that isn't applicable. One only has to look at the recent story about a Taco bell employee refusing to serve a couple of cops in the US to see the EXACT same scenario posted by the OP about the Muslim women. Not saying it's right, but this fear isn't entirely unfounded.

in both cases, the employees are idiots for refusing service

not sure what there is to get

 

[Htown]

Meanwhile in Indonesia, we've just had an attempt to murder hundreds of Christians.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cide-bomb-and-axe-attacks-church-in-indonesia

Fortunately the idiot couldn't create a decent bomb.

Yeah, that's totally relevant to two women being kicked out of a restaurant in France.

?

 

[Henkka]

Probably in Palestine against the occupier.

yeah it isn't so bad when you look at it like that

Spoiler

what the fuck am i reading

 

[MistakenMobius]

Probably in Palestine against the occupier.

Ahahah
Why does that would matter?

Either you support suicide bombing or you don't, no contortions should be allowed...

What about hour his Rebels against Saudi Arabian force?
Haram or not?

 

[collige]

It is easy to just shout bigotry when you see obvious bigotry in a thread.

But did you really think about the why is it ok for us to be afraid of sharks after a shark attacks but why is it not ok to openly discriminate against muslims? No one would bat an eye if a great white shark was denied access to a restaurant but everyone freaks out if a muslim is denied access. I just wish that in a thread about discrimination against muslim women we would give equal time to how sharks are treated.

That's not really a good example though because all the hysteria over sharks has totally fucked a bunch of species over despite the fact that they generally don't attack people.

 

[Septy]

Yeah, that's totally relevant to two women being kicked out of a restaurant in France.

?

The thread has expanded in a myriad of ways including whether ISIS is Muslim and genocide in Burma. It seems relevent as it's a religiously motivated attack, as its own thread it wouldn't get 1% of the replys one about burkinis or French restaurants would.

 

[Necrophage]

in both cases, the employees are idiots for refusing service

not sure what there is to get

Maybe that's your problem. Your inability to understand the point. This story is strictly based on a country's reaction to an event that completely skewed its perception on an ENTIRE demographic.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

He's a feisty one..even got someone ELSE to start putting words in CAPS.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

yeah it isn't so bad when you look at it like that

Spoiler

what the fuck am i reading

Ahahah
Why does that would matter?

Either you support suicide bombing or you don't, no contortions should be allowed...

What about hour his Rebels against Saudi Arabian force?
Haram or not?

Lol I just suggested a possible fact. I didn't even support or defend anything. All I'm saying is that there are people who are okay with Palestinian suicide bombing in the Middle East but not ISIS suicide bombing in France.

 

[LucidMomentum]

Maybe that's your problem. Your inability to understand the point. This story is strictly based on a country's reaction to an event that completely skewed its perception on an ENTIRE demographic.

How is that okay, in any case though?

Are you saying that it's okay to have a skewed perspective on an entire demographic, rather than individual perspectives on the people you meet?

 

[ClosingADoor]

Probably in Palestine against the occupier.

So suicide bombings are OK in one place, and not OK in the other? What is your point here exactly?

 

[Necrophage]

He's a feisty one..even got someone ELSE to start putting words in CAPS.

I hate to shitpost but I feel like it's warranted here. How are you not banned for shit like this, let alone you have a tag? Is this the standard?