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[Ponn]

This is the critical moment in history when we look back and say it all fell apart as we stand in the dystopian President Humongous Trump future dressed in bondage S & M outfits driving through the wasteland.

Thanks alot pneumonia.

 

[Jobbs]

Because Hillary caught pneumonia two months from the election?

Nobody will even remember this happened by next week, let alone by election day

The problem is it feeds into a narrative the Trump people and surrogates have already been pounding. Trump's been saying she's sick. She's ill. All the surrogates have. The Fox News shows have been claiming there's something physically wrong with her and examining her every move.

This completely feeds right into this narrative they've already been hammering on. That's why it has legs.

I don't really think Trump can win, but... Some little part of my brain is worried

 

[excelsiorlef]

"Walking pneumonia" refers to its insidious onset rather than its severity. Stahp

It literally is called that because it is the mildest form and has the mildest symptoms

 

[Thatonemoor]

Ok I saw this on facebook so huge grain of salt but is it true democrats are calling a meeting over this?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Ok I saw this on facebook so huge grain of salt but is it true democrats are calling a meeting over this?

no

Some idiot on twitter started that rumor

 

[minor effort]

I'm a bit more concerned about the poor judgement showed by the Hillary camp today. Pneumonia doesn't just "sneak up" on a presidential candidate, it would have been obvious for days.

So she and her top decision makers had to decide what to do on 9/11, probably the biggest symbolic day for fear and terrorism. She decides to go ahead with campaigning and faints. Not exactly a great message to send to voters that she is the one who is going to keep them safe.

Yes, it's 9/11, and today wasn't a campaign stop, it was attending a 9/11 Memorial service. If she skipped that it wouldn't have quieted any alarms or silenced any critics. Fox News would have had a field day had Hillary's campaign announced beforehand she were skipping 9/11 memorial events. So, given that she's not bedridden, they decided to go ahead with the appearance.

Yeah, it ended poorly, but it feels like your argument that it shows "poor judgement" is quite a stretch. Campaigning doesn't just start and stop without consequences. You have to be absolutely sure you need to cancel an event before you do, especially one like showing up at a 9/11 memorial. They couldn't have known she would have fainted.

 

[Marauder Shields]

This really is a massive win for Trump, no matter how it plays out.

 

[Tarkus]

It literally is called that because it is the mildest form.

No, it's a gradual onset, increasing in severity over weeks to months, as opposed to suddenly walloping you over night. Mycoplasma pneumoniae is the most common cause of atypical pneumonia.

Tell me more Dr. excelsior.

 

[Leona Lewis]

Ok I saw this on facebook so huge grain of salt but is it true democrats are calling a meeting over this?

Tales from his ass.

 

[Clockwork5]

I'm curious, where did the "walking pneumonia" diagnosis come from? The doctor's statement stated "pneumonia".

Did I miss a statement?

 

[minor effort]

This really is a massive win for Trump, no matter how it plays out.

Oh yeah? Let's see if Trump has the ability to handle this with grace and compassion.

 

[excelsiorlef]

This really is a massive win for Trump, no matter how it plays out.

Not really.

It actually debunks any claim of chronic or terminal illness

 

[Thatonemoor]

no

Some idiot on twitter started that rumor

Yeah I figured. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Zips]

Pneumonia is no joke. I had it and it was the most crippling thing I've ever had. I didn't know I had it for what must have been a while, but had to go to the hospital when one day it went from being a continual phlegmy cough to hurting to breath. I still remember being able to feel the leftovers of it sliding around in my lung when I lay down or got up during the antibiotic treatment.

All the coughing and that phlegm into the water clip match a case of pneumonia. It occurred to me, as it was like seeing my old symptoms, but I had dismissed it.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

When did politics get this dark? A candidate could get shot tomorrow and the only reaction will be they should have dodged the bullet.

 

[victreeb3l]

Hope she gets better. Pneumonia sucks.

 

[excelsiorlef]

All these tales of pneumonia and all I can think is damn Clinton is demonstrably tougher than all y'all apparently.

 

[High Fry Frow]

Julian Assange is such a goddamn creep.
It's not exactly the most liberal thing for me to say, but I hope he stays stuck in that fucking embassy for the rest of eternity...the only exception being it he gets extradited to Sweden to be charged for rape.


Fucking asshole.

 

[Pepboy]

I'm aware of what the statement says in the OP. I'm just saying, it's not surprising that people are pushing this narrative that something is going on with her health given what Trump's campaign has been pushing alongside the events that have happened within the last week.

If she was diagnosed with pneumonia prior to the statement released today, they should have disclosed it to squash the tinfoil hat theories that have now come to fruition.

Given she didnt disclose this until after fainting, it does make sense to wonder what else she may have but has yet to disclose. If you read the earlier threads it goes like:

"Hillary fainted"

"Whaaaat? This is probably just some bullshit Fox News made up."

"Here is the video."

"Oh well 80 degrees is rather hot. But she is still in perfect health!"

"Here is a letter from doctor stating pnuemonia."

"Well of course she has pnuemonia! Thats logical and nothing to worry about. Anyone would have foreseen this."

People are always willing to bend over backwards to support their candidate of choice, but this would have been less of a deal if Clinton made a habit of transparency. Of course I doubt it will make a difference in the end given her opposition (who is anything but transparent himself).

 

[Toxi]

I'm curious, where did the "walking pneumonia" diagnosis come from? The doctor's statement stated "pneumonia".

Did I miss a statement?

The statement also said she was recovering nicely.

So maybe people should stop freaking out.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Real as in an actual medical condition? Yeah, it is. Clinton has casually mentioned that she doesn't sweat way before all this, so I'll take her word for it.

Fun Fact: President Clinton has Rosacea. That doesn't leave you at risk for heat stroke or anything though.

I was just writing Hypnohidrosis wrong.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

you have no idea what you are talking about
I personally know multiple 60+ ppl that died of pneumonia

No shit. But pneumonia isn't a death sentence like it was before. Generally those weak, old and frail are most at risk of death. Clinton, while old, is in otherwise good health. Combine that with those medical advancements made since the Civil War and you actually see the point I was making.

Similar to the flu where old and weak are most at risk, but it's not exactly wiping out millions of people anymore every year.

 

[Clockwork5]

The statement also said she was recovering nicely.

Yes. I also watched her get dragged into a van today.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Given she didnt disclose this until after fainting, it does make sense to wonder what else she may have but has yet to disclose. If you read the earlier threads it goes like:

pneumonia is not a chronic illness. Infections are not something that people generally announce unless it affects their work/etc. like we saw today. Clearly she has lupus though

 

[Rebel Leader]

All these tales of pneumonia and all I can think is damn Clinton is demonstrably tougher than all y'all apparently.

She has government healthcare.

Some of us didn't.

 

[Draper]

Given she didnt disclose this until after fainting, it does make sense to wonder what else she may have but has yet to disclose. If you read the earlier threads it goes like:

"Hillary fainted"

"Whaaaat? This is probably just some bullshit Fox News made up."

"Here is the video."

"Oh well 80 degrees is rather hot. But she is still in perfect health!"

"Here is a letter from doctor stating pnuemonia."

"Well of course she has pnuemonia! Thats logical and nothing to worry about. Anyone would have foreseen this."

People are always willing to bend over backwards to support their candidate of choice, but this would have been less of a deal if Clinton made a habit of transparency. Of course I doubt it will make a difference in the end given her opposition (who is anything but transparent himself).

You forgot the *Here's a link to a random doctor unprofessionally providing her professional medical opinion based off a 10 second video. She's obviously fine.*

 

[balladofwindfishes]

People are always willing to bend over backwards to support their candidate of choice, but this would have been less of a deal if Clinton made a habit of transparency. Of course I doubt it will make a difference in the end given her opposition (who is anything but transparent himself).

Expecting a candidate to announce every time they have an infection or virus is completely unreasonable.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Given she didnt disclose this until after fainting, it does make sense to wonder what else she may have but has yet to disclose. If you read the earlier threads it goes like:

"Hillary fainted"

"Whaaaat? This is probably just some bullshit Fox News made up."

"Here is the video."

"Oh well 80 degrees is rather hot. But she is still in perfect health!"

"Here is a letter from doctor stating pnuemonia."

"Well of course she has pnuemonia! Thats logical and nothing to worry about. Anyone would have foreseen this."

People are always willing to bend over backwards to support their candidate of choice, but this would have been less of a deal if Clinton made a habit of transparency. Of course I doubt it will make a difference in the end given her opposition (who is anything but transparent himself).

Lepercy. She caught it from improperly trying to sink Vince Foster's body to the bottom of Whitewater.

 

[Particle Physicist]

You forgot the *Here's a link to a random doctor unprofessionally providing her professional medical opinion based off a 10 second video. She's obviously fine.*

... though... people were right about the syncopal episode. It was not due to cardiogenic, or neurogenic etiology. It was likely due to hypovolemia (i.e. dehydration) or vasovagal triggered from her pneumonia.

 

[excelsiorlef]

She has government healthcare.

Some of us didn't.

T'was a joke.

 

[Venom Fox]

Question: How is your lung function now?

Pretty much ok. It took about 4 months to get fully recovered.

 

[diablos991]

I'm curious, where did the "walking pneumonia" diagnosis come from? The doctor's statement stated "pneumonia".

Did I miss a statement?

Ask Y2Kev

Apparently she has mycoplasma, which is "walking pneumonia." It's like a more severe flu but without the projectile vomit. It's called walking because you can continue to function. Still, kind of impressive. I had it when I was 17. It knocks you out. I missed a week of school.

 

[Draper]

Expecting a candidate to announce every time they have an infection or virus is completely unreasonable.

But watching our candidate dragged into a van because she blacked out is a great image.

Dems make missteps that can be avoided. It's puzzling- she really should have this one in the bag.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Yes. I also watched her get dragged into a van today.

Unless her doctor is a political operative, I don't see why she would be tasked to lie when she's really on her deathbed or something.

She was walking around an hour later with no visible issue.

 

[NHarmonic.]

Given she didnt disclose this until after fainting, it does make sense to wonder what else she may have but has yet to disclose. If you read the earlier threads it goes like:

"Hillary fainted"

"Whaaaat? This is probably just some bullshit Fox News made up."

"Here is the video."

"Oh well 80 degrees is rather hot. But she is still in perfect health!"

"Here is a letter from doctor stating pnuemonia."

"Well of course she has pnuemonia! Thats logical and nothing to worry about. Anyone would have foreseen this."

People are always willing to bend over backwards to support their candidate of choice, but this would have been less of a deal if Clinton made a habit of transparency. Of course I doubt it will make a difference in the end given her opposition (who is anything but transparent himself).

Still better than "global warming non believer" trump.

 

[Gorger]

Horrible timing I feel bad for her, she needs to be fit and healthy when the debates begins. So much is at stake and Trump will exploit this for all it's worth.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Given she didnt disclose this until after fainting, it does make sense to wonder what else she may have but has yet to disclose. If you read the earlier threads it goes like:

"Hillary fainted"

"Whaaaat? This is probably just some bullshit Fox News made up."

"Here is the video."

"Oh well 80 degrees is rather hot. But she is still in perfect health!"

"Here is a letter from doctor stating pnuemonia."

"Well of course she has pnuemonia! Thats logical and nothing to worry about. Anyone would have foreseen this."

People are always willing to bend over backwards to support their candidate of choice, but this would have been less of a deal if Clinton made a habit of transparency. Of course I doubt it will make a difference in the end given her opposition (who is anything but transparent himself).

It's true that people who support any candidate project and get defensive, but a more accurate dialogue is:

"Hillary is dying. Look at her laugh. What is her brain malfunctioning? I think she has brain damage. Wow she needs secret service to carry her up the stairs. Is that an epipen? Martin Shkreli said it is. Now she's coughing. Let's discuss her mucus. Is she secretly a bioterrorist? This is the only thing anyone should care about right now. RELEASE THE FILES"

"What the fuck are you going on about"

~flash forward~

"Hillary fainted"

"Oh yeah? *checks* Her people say it's that she's overheated. That makes sense."

"No this is a coverup. It's been an hour and we literally do not know if she is dead or alive. I don't think she'll make it to November. Democrats should vote for Johnson, actually we should invent time travel and go back in time and vote for Bernie but besides that also Trump has a point and the media is biased against him."

"Oh, looks like her doctor clarified that she's been dealing with pneumonia. That sucks, and it's especially serious given her age, I had it one, it was real bad. That explains the bad coughing you were talking about"

"Wow defensive much it is insane how bias this place is compared to @SSPepeWaffen's twitter feed!"

As I said earlier in the thread, I think candidate health is fair game and while both candidates are of a relatively advanced age for the position they're running for, and each has different red flags as to their health, there's no reason to believe either is imminently going to die and I don't view it as a serious disqualifier. Candidates have an obligation to be open about their health, although not necessarily to share even time they take an advil. I think it makes sense that people would ask about Hillary or Trump's health, I think it makes sense that the /r/the_donald-led Hillary's Health stuff has got some traction. I don't think that makes it right. I do think it makes sense for people to seek information on how serious this particular thing is and if it has implications for campaigning or governance. But people have gotta stop freaking out, regardless of why they're freaking out.

 

[royalan]

But watching our candidate dragged into a van because she blacked out is a great image.

Dems make missteps that can be avoided. It's puzzling- she really should have this one in the bag.

...according to most recent polling, she does?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

The problem is it feeds into a narrative the Trump people and surrogates have already been pounding. Trump's been saying she's sick. She's ill. All the surrogates have. The Fox News shows have been claiming there's something physically wrong with her and examining her every move.

This completely feeds right into this narrative they've already been hammering on. That's why it has legs.

I don't really think Trump can win, but... Some little part of my brain is worried

the people that listen to Trump and his supporters already have their minds made up. They would have spun anything HIllary related into a negative.

 

[whyamihere]

But watching our candidate dragged into a van because she blacked out is a great image.

Dems make missteps that can be avoided. It's puzzling- she really should have this one in the bag.

I'm still confused what the misstep is here!

 

[McLovin]

Hope she gets better, if she doesn't does this mean Bernie could step in?

 

[Plumbob]

I'm still confused what the misstep is here!

The step between the pole and the van

 

[shinra-bansho]

Fear the Walking Hillary.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

But watching our candidate dragged into a van because she blacked out is a great image.

Dems make missteps that can be avoided. It's puzzling- she really should have this one in the bag.

So what is she supposed to have done differently? Announce every time she's sick?

 

[diablos991]

Hope she gets better, if she doesn't does this mean Bernie could step in?

I honestly feel like he DNC would just pick another Democrat. Bernie is still an outsider.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm still confused what the misstep is here!

she had the audacity to get sick. History will remember pneumonia-gate!

 

[Draper]

...according to most recent polling, she does?

Well that's good to hear.

I'm still confused what the misstep is here!

Lack of transparency/ her being out while having something as serious as pneumonia/ oddly playing it off after the fact also felt weird to me.

 

[minor effort]

the people that listen to Trump and his supporters already have their minds made up. They would have spun anything HIllary related into a negative.

Again, I keep harping on this, but people keep blaming her for attending the 9/11 Memorial today as though she made a grievous error. I think we all know what the response from the right would have been had Hillary announced she wasn't attending. People keep acting like she knew she was going to faint there.

 

[JeTmAn81]

Not really.

It actually debunks any claim of chronic or terminal illness

No, it strengthens those claims that her true condition is still being hidden and they're calling it pneumonia as a cover. Now there's more evidence of a serious condition.

 

[Particle Physicist]

No, it strengthens those claims that her true condition is still being hidden and they're calling it pneumonia as a cover. Now there's more evidence of a serious condition.

wat?