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[Kaako]

Man I don't give a fuck about 4K.
I am happy with 1080p.

I completely understand.
What if you had the option between regular 1080P and downsampled 1080P from "4K"? Which version would you prefer to play or does that not matter to you as well? Asking just for my own curiosity.

 

[Necro900]

Where is this PSPro footage coming from?

Is it direct feed from some kind of pre-release hardware you have or is it the footage released by sony? It looks far more compressed than the PC one, and it's hard to make out details, plus it looks extremely blurry as a whole. That doesn't look like a fair comparison.

The quality of the stream clearly shows that textures aren't even comparable, though.
I guess 1080p users will ultimately get the best out of PSPro for these things.

 

[jelly]

Apart from the roots and some missing bits, I honestly couldn't spot the difference and would not in a million years notice when I'm playing the game. I know, why bother etc. if you can't push it further, maybe Sony don't care and have other reasons.

 

[martino]

data confirms even checkboard can't move ps4p away from settings, equivalent IQ/resolution and texture you can expect from 180-200€ gpu the year it is released (and comparison will be worse with time)

This don't mean it looks bad. it justs mean results stay in check with power the things has.
no huge "da metal" or "secret sauce"

 

[timmyp53]

ITT

People who need to validate their PC

Dunno, seems like a lot of people who need to validate their PS4 Pro preorders.

Spoiler

At least I got in here b4 the lock

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

I completely understand.
What if you had the option between regular 1080P and downsampled 1080P from "4K"? Which version would you prefer to play or does that not matter to you as well? Asking just for my own curiosity.

Sitting on a the couch and looking at the TV test I'd assume. That is to say how does the final image present itself? Does 1080p at highest graphical settings produce a better image or 4k with xbox one equivalent visual settings? Well, that's how I'd make the conclusion.

 

[Wishmaster92]

By that definition, wouldn't the pro be under the category of brute forcing it's (moderately) improved visuals?

We have to wait for some 1080p/30 mode screenshots. According to the developer they are throwing everything into that mode.

 

[dogen]

Just because you type it does not make it true.

It is not 3840X2160.

The game with the quality settings of high (aka what the PS4 game probably uses based upon the x1 version) @ that resolution, aka what is commonly known as 4K, would look different and better.


I mean I think anyone would say it is better probably than what base PS4 would look like, presuming that the increasing in resolution does not cause or necessitate knowck on negative effects elsewhere in the rendering, but being specific and using commonly accepted phrasology and nomenclature should be standard in a technical thread. That is what I am getting at.


Yeah, I am not sure if these resolution bumps are a bit premature and if that extra rendering power should be used elsewhere. But thankfully, this game offers those 3 different modes.

Tbh, he did say this game looked a lot softer than the other PS4 pro games he saw. So, other games will probably look better.

 

[Radec]

Yeah platform wars just reached the next level. Never change warriors.

Mid gen wars.

 

[Lord Error]

I mean I think anyone would say it is better probably than what base PS4 would look like, presuming that the increasing in resolution does not cause or necessitate knowck on negative effects elsewhere in the rendering, but being specific and using commonly accepted phrasology and nomenclature should be standard in a technical thread. That is what I am getting at.

I am struggling to find the easy phrasing for what they have here. OK, it's not native 4K. What should we call it? "It's like PS4 games in checkerboard-render 4K"? That's quite a mouthful, and most people at least here already know that they're using that for these games.

 

[marrec]

I am struggling to find the easy phrasing for what they have here. OK, it's not native 4K. What should we call it? "It's like PS4 games in checkerboard-render 4K"? That's quite a mouthful, and most people at least here already know that they're using that for these games.

FauxK or 4Kinda are my personal favs.

 

[sajj316]

Maybe the OP should clarify, or I just missed it. Is this PS4 Pro at 1080p mode or at 4k output? They said at 1080p mode it would be using the highest settings possible. And 4k mode will be using a combination of settings that work at that resolution for 30 fps.

I believe it's the checkerboard 4K output. The texture quality for checkerboard 4K is right now at HIGH which is the setting used for XBO and PS4.

 

[icespide]

I am struggling to find the easy phrasing for what they have here. OK, it's not native 4K. What should we call it? "It's like PS4 games in checkerboard-render 4K"? That's quite a mouthful, and most people at least here already know that they're using that for these games.

someone coined "4auxK" awhile ago and I like it. I'll also accept "4k-ish"

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

I believe it's the checkerboard 4K output. The texture quality for checkerboard 4K is right now at HIGH which is the setting used for XBO and PS4.

4k output at high settings?

man that comparison pic the OP put up certainly doesn't look high.

But whatever, if that's how 'bad' high looks, I'll play the game in 1080p mode.

 

[RoboPlato]

I am struggling to find the easy phrasing for what they have here. OK, it's not native 4K. What should we call it? "It's like PS4 games in checkerboard-render 4K"? That's quite a mouthful, and most people at least here already know that they're using that for these games.

I've been using #4k since the # looks like a checkerboard. I don't want to say native but I also don't like those mocking terms either since I feel there should be a level of professionalism in tech talk. I felt the same way when people were referring to dynamic res on Xbox One as 1080pr.

 

[Dictator93]

I am struggling to find the easy phrasing for what they have here. OK, it's not native 4K. What should we call it? "It's like PS4 games in checkerboard-render 4K"? That's quite a mouthful, and most people at least here already know that they're using that for these games.

Maybe we should not try and sum it up with some over-simplifying phrase? We do not need those things even for expedience of speech IMO. We are on a written forum in a technical thread where we can and should have the time to post longer explanatory responses, provided they are not self-evident or something.

IMO, call it by its internal rendering resolution and then say what it is doing on top to produce the final image we see. I would do the same for a game running the technique quantum break is doing, or rainbow six, or field rendering, or etc...

 

[jeffram]

Are there even any threads for that?

All of this makes me think this is true.

I don't understand why people think ps4 pro needs to match pc to better compete with it. For $100 more, you can double your gpu power and turn out much better looking graphics. That will detour some people from going to pc. Ps4 pro helps close the gap in 2016, not overcome it, and that's ok.

 

[comshoplesce]

do we have any price comparision?

PC 4K cost, all games NO RESELL VALUE at all

PS4 PRO + some regular/decent TV - which you already have/need anyway - all RETAIL GAMES have RESELL VALUE + you can buy preowned games

 

[sajj316]

someone coined "4auxK" awhile ago and I like it. I'll also accept "4k-ish"

How about 4cbK?

 

[Lord Error]

will it? if they had better textures surely they would use them for the higher resolution mode.

the other thread just says it has all the bells and whistles turned on like post processing effects.

Truth is, no one knows for sure what it will have. The most detailed quote I've found is from this thread a week ago here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1275624

"According to one of the interviews the 1080p/30fps version should look much better with "Multi-pass rendering, much better shading, pbr lighting and more."

IMO, call it by its internal rendering resolution and then say what it is doing on top to produce the final image we see.

You could do that, but we don't actually know the details, as I don't think they've disclosed anything like that precisely for any of the games.

 

[MUnited83]

I don't understand why people think ps4 pro needs to match pc to better compete with it. For $100 more, you can double your gpu power and turn out much better looking graphics. That will detour some people from going to pc. Ps4 pro helps close the gap in 2016, not overcome it, and that's ok.

You can buy a PS4 Pro for 100$?

 

[onQ123]

Maybe we should not try and sum it up with some over-simplifying phrase? We do not need those things even for expedience of speech IMO. We are on a written forum in a technical thread where we can and should have the time to post longer explanatory responses, provided they are not self-evident or something.

IMO, call it by its internal rendering resolution and then say what it is doing on top to produce the final image we see. I would do the same for a game running the technique quantum break is doing, or rainbow six, or field rendering, or etc...

So you don't think Rainbow Six Siege look like a PS4 game at 1080P?

 

[sajj316]

4k output at high settings?

man that comparison pic the OP put up certainly doesn't look high.

But whatever, if that's how 'bad' high looks, I'll play the game in 1080p mode.

Exactly how I feel. Again, I should see it before making a final conclusion. If this method looks good in person and there aren't weird artifacts ... I'm sold. The HIGH to VERY HIGH setting seems like a big difference. Take a look at this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfpSyMpWbeE

 

[wesleyshark]

FauxK or 4Kinda are my personal favs.

4Kinda is my fav, for sure.

 

[timmyp53]

You can buy a PS4 Pro for 100$?

Think you need to read his post again.

 

[tuxfool]

Think you need to read his post again.

Given that an existing owner is rebuying the whole 400$ console again, it isn't just 100$ more. This statement is only valid to a new buyer.

 

[D4Danger]

FauxK or 4Kinda are my personal favs.

4Kinda is the new 1080pr

 

[Shane89]

this is upscaled4k on PS4pro vs max setting PC

i want to see max setting mode on PS4pro vs max setting PC

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Wow at the hyperbole in this thread. It looks great for a $400 piece of hardware.

Not hyperbole. Lots of uneducated people were hoping and guessing PS4 Pro will give you true 4K gaming (and latest 3D blockbusters as well - biggest LOL there is).

The best yall can hope is some Indie/ 2D/ PS3 remasters titles being ran in true 4K mode. All the rest will be either "checkerboard" upscaled from 1080p or simply running in true 1080p mode.

If I were Sony and I was NOT trying to sell you goddamn 4K TVs with every PS4 Pro commercial I would enforce that every PS4 Pro game has to run in 1080p @ 60 fps at minimum.

 

[Forever Changes]

this is upscaled4k on PS4pro vs max setting PC

i want to see max setting mode on PS4pro vs max setting PC

I don't think they have showed it yet.

 

[Lord Error]

Given that an existing owner is rebuying the whole 400$ console again, it isn't just 100$ more. This statement is only valid to a new buyer.

True, but for that you get two devices, so you can keep one in the other room, or sell it. I expect PS4P to cost me around $200.

 

[wesleyshark]

Not hyperbole. Lots of uneducated people were hoping and guessing PS4 Pro will give you true 4K gaming (and latest 3D blockbusters as well - biggest LOL there is).

The best yall can hope is some Indie/ 2D/ PS3 remasters titles being ran in true 4K mode. All the rest will be either "checkerboard" upscaled from 1080p or simply running in true 1080p mode.

If I were Sony and I was NOT trying to sell you goddamn 4K TVs with every PS4 Pro commercial I would enforce that every PS4 Pro game has to run in 1080p @ 60 fps at minimum.

Sony's trying to push their 4k tvs for sure, and uhd bluray players next year.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

this is upscaled4k on PS4pro vs max setting PC

i want to see max setting mode on PS4pro vs max setting PC

While the PS4 Pro version of Tomb Raider will have a 1080p at max settings mode, DF does not have access to it. They are only just using the 4k video Sony put out on youtube.

 

[martino]

So you don't think Rainbow Six Siege look like a PS4 game at 1080P?

ubi downgrade image illustrate it well

 

[majik13]

I feel all these comparisons need to be next to a regular PS4 shot(1080p?), as well as possible whatever native resolution the Pro is rendering at(1440p?), before the checkerboard upscale(not sure if this is even possible). Otherwise we don't have a full comparison or context.

 

[marrec]

I feel all these comparisons need to be next to a regular PS4 shot(1080p?), as well as possible whatever native resolution the Pro is rendering at(1440p?), before the checkerboard upscale(not sure if this is even possible). Otherwise we don't have a full comparison or context.

The problem is we don't have the hardware yet. PS4 Pro isn't in anyone's hands and all these comparison shots are video provided by Sony so we can't really do proper comparisons.

Also, Rise isn't out on PS4 yet.

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Sony's trying to push their 4k tvs for sure, and uhd bluray players next year.

It's obvious, a fact, that PS4 Pro is much more powerful than PS4 (2.5x on the GPU alone).

So instead of promising and enforcing any game to run in 1080p @ 60 fps on it (Horizon, Uncharted 4, RE7, Witcher 3, Deus Ex 4, Cyberpunk etc.) they start chasing some 4K dream - which is not easy to achieve even in the high-end PC market - just because it fuels their TVs sales.

It's infuriating.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Insane that the game still has enough overhead to run and look that good even when eating up twice the GPU power of 1080p. And combined with the actual clarity of the image makes it really interesting. This checkerboard rendering mode seems to be very impressive.

I know there was an actual comparison between the Xbox 1 and PS4 Pro footage here, but i don't know if its fully accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHEr7rjWoM

It's obvious, a fact, that PS4 Pro is much more powerful than PS4 (2.5x on the GPU alone).

So instead of promising and enforcing any game to run in 1080p @ 60 fps on it (Horizon, Uncharted 4, RE7, Witcher 3, Deus Ex 4, Cyberpunk etc.) they start chasing some 4K dream - which is not easy to achieve even in the high-end PC market - just because it fuels their TVs sales.

It's infuriating.

They can't promise or enforce 108060fps. Horizon's engine does not even support a refresh rate over 30fps.

Mandating developers for one specific fps and resolution, especially with Jaguar, is bound to blow up in their faces.

 

[dark10x]

ubi downgrade image illustrate it well

I kinda take issue with this shot here.

The one on the left has a direct spot-light shining on the players while the other is devoid of artificial light entirely. When you pump up the contrast and add extra lights it will create a very different, punchier looking image.

 

[Angel_DvA]

Let it go Sony, the 4K dream isn't for you, 1080p@30/60 FPS with better graphics is preferable with the PS4 Pro power.

 

[MUnited83]

Think you need to read his post again.

If the PS4Pro is meant for people that are already on the console space to begin with(that the statement by Sony, mentioned on what i was replying to), to stop them from going to PC, then that means those people already own a PS4. In which case it's a 400€ upgrade. Which is not a great value proposition when you can upgrade a 6 year old PC to 2016 standards with those 400€ instead.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Let it go Sony, the 4K dream isn't for you, 1080p@30/60 FPS with better graphics is preferable with the PS4 Pro power.

Devs will use the power how they want to use it, and how they feel is the best fit for the hardware.

 

[Arulan]

dark10x, you mention artifacts, such as with the fire particles, but were those the only ones you saw?

Here is post from the other thread:

Looks a ways off even PC at 1440p with artifacts,

Top PS4 Pro, PC 1440, PC 2160

Top PC 2160, PC 1440, PS4 Pro

 

[Angel_DvA]

Devs will use the power how they want to use it, and how they feel is the best fit for the hardware.

I hope its true.

 

[Carlius]

this dumb obsession to make 4k standard. Get over it. 1080p 60fps is what the new consoles should be aiming at or maybe a little higher, but 4k from the get go is a total waste of resources where they could be put into making a better game at standard resolutions.

 

[ktroopa]

Let it go Sony, the 4K dream isn't for you, 1080p@30/60 FPS with better graphics is preferable with the PS4 Pro power.

Agreed 100%

 

[soco]

aside from some of the missing fires and lighting, there also seemed to be some shader differences in those videos. I noticed a cool ripple effect on the PC version from the stairs explosion and the water being different. I wonder if those are present in the 1080p version.

 

[etta]

someone coined "4auxK" awhile ago and I like it. I'll also accept "4k-ish"

What's wrong with 4Kinda.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I hope its true.

My question is, why are people expecting maximum PC settings and 4K out of a 399 box, with that CPU and GPU combo?

That's the whole point of the checkerboard rendering mode, you get better IQ, far easier to scale to 4K TV's or downsample to 1080p for a trade off in graphics, and the game still looks comparable to original PS4.. In 1080p mode you get the best possible graphics for the hardware and the ability to possibly aim for 60fps sometimes, hence the 3 options.

Did people come in this thread thinking the Pro checkerboard rendering method was going to equal a high end PC in graphics too?

this dumb obsession to make 4k standard. Get over it. 1080p 60fps is what the new consoles should be aiming at or maybe a little higher, but 4k from the get go is a total waste of resources where they could be put into making a better game at standard resolutions.

1080p60fps was never going to be the standard for the PS Pro, i told people that for months and you guys didn't listen. THe jaguar forbids that.

Nobody is trying to make 4K standard, this is up to the developers how they want to use the power. the checkerboard rendering mode is far better IQ wise than 1080p, as John said, which gives it its own benefit. But that's not all devs are allowed to use the power for.

 

[ktroopa]

What's wrong with 4Kinda.

We need a 4auxK thread.