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Forza Horizon 3 is one the first games encrypted with Microsofts new DRM
- Thread starter texhnolyze
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SatelliteOfLove
Member
Mass hysteria and sunk cost fallacy rather. It makes it even sadder.
The one about "not buying broken games and holding devs to higher standards" post is truly a all-in bet.
LordRaptor
Member
I don't know what the venn diagram of people who believe that and people who enjoyed the Master Chief Collection is, but I suspect it would be interesting to see.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Uh oh. Better not fuck up gears 4.
*clap* *clap* *clap*
This is always the answer. If you don't like how something is, don't support it.
Bingo! Hit the nail on the head.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I'm concerned with forcing OS updates, which could potentially be buggy or incompatible with other applications or peripherals, just to play a windows store game.
I wouldn't go that far.
Their First-Party Titles are pretty strong in terms of Metacritic atleast.
- Halo: TCC (85) and Halo 5: Guardians (84) are both ahead of Sony's highest FPS Exclusive, The Unfinished Swan (83).
- Gears: UE (82) is higher than Sony's Third Person Shooter Exclusive Helldivers (81)
- Forza H3 (91), Forza 6 (87), Forza H2 (86) and even Forza 5 (79) are all higher than Driveclub (71) (Driveclub Bikes has a 79 and Absolute Drift: Zen Edition has 78).
Their Games Output has been fine for the most part. It's the PC Decisions which are dubious as usual. They should maybe stop trying to look at PC Games...or maybe start off on the right foot for once.
You should also communicate to devs/publishers what is making you not support it, unless you think they will magically know.
King Gilga
Member
I don't know if this post is a joke or not, because the first point is disgustingly ridiculous while the second is extremely fair and sound.
flaxknuckles
Member
My dumbass still bought this game even after all the crap I talked about the Windows Store, thinking maybe I'd give Microsoft a chance. And then after hours of troubleshooting I had to reinstall the operating system to get this shit to download (why is UWP always breaking man wtf). All for me to see this thread and learn they encrypted this shit. Why oh why did I go through all that trouble and pay all that money to support a company who doesn't give a damn about PC? Welp, I've learned my lesson.
No joke. Just what is found on Metacritic. I was hesitant on putting Gears there because it's a Rerelease.
Plus, i'd think of TLOU as a TPS aswell and that has 95, but Metacritic placed it on the Action Adventure Genre.
Either way, it shows Microsoft's Game Input has been quite good this Generation.
I absolutely agree. They have lost a sale for me. I refuse to support shitty DRM practices that stifle the game, the modding community, and feels draconian and anti-consumer.
King Gilga
Member
You forgot about a little game called uncharted 4.
Why would you want fewer gaming options? Just curious. I have every system and really enjoy having a variety of stuff to play. Would probably never buy another Xbox again but if they keep bringing new stuff to PC (and fix the performance issues on PC versions), I personally wouldn't mind having them around...
Jezbollah
Member
Well. Looks like the rabbit is out of the hat. Of course MS were going to do this to allow them to keep full control of the games they will sell on PC. This is a byproduct of you not having an Xbox to play these games. It's a tradeoff.
MS were never going to allow any of us to mod their first party games. If they didn't have a solution like this then they would have kept those titles on the console.
Using a software based encryption in the runtime loop is not elegant. But given that they probably think the demographic of the users of these games will have higher spec PCs then they obviously thought the tradeoff is worth it.
And this is only the start.
MS were never going to allow any of us to mod their first party games. If they didn't have a solution like this then they would have kept those titles on the console.
Using a software based encryption in the runtime loop is not elegant. But given that they probably think the demographic of the users of these games will have higher spec PCs then they obviously thought the tradeoff is worth it.
And this is only the start.
LukasTaves
Member
Wtf ate you taking about? You can't possibly have drawn this conclusion from this quote.
stan423321
Member
From what I understand the ridiculous part of the point is bringing Helldivers into this. Gears is an AAA TPS that is a codifying example of TPS. Helldivers is an indie picked up by Sony that is basically more of a twin-stick shooter than of a TPS.
At that point you can compare, uh, Crackdown 3 (assuming it releases) and No Man's Sky as open world games and extrapolate to MS vs Sony. Though someone probably has a better example.
Yeah, I forgot about that actually, haha. Metacritic put it under General. And really, i've heard Uncharted games are more Action Adventure and less labelled as a TPS, like Tomb Raider.
It was never meant to be Sony VS Microsoft, well that's not what I was going for really.
What I was trying to show was that their output on the franchises they actually care about has not really been a "Trainwreck" and has for the most part, been quite similar to Sony's.
And a better example of Open-World VS Open World is Sunset Overdrive (81) VS No Man's Sky (71).
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I kinda get it. My experiences on Steam have been mostly inconsistent shit. I don't like it and Steam is actually one factor that has kept me away from PC gaming. Play Anywhere actually brought me in. Downloading and playing Killer Instinct on PC was as close to the ease of a console experience as you're going to get on PC.
Having said that, I'm in the minority. I get that. Microsoft is clearly trying to bring console gamers over to PC, which they appear to be doing, but seemingly at the expense of the hardcore PC gaming community, who in this case most likely represent the majority.
Banjo-Kazooie
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*they say while sporting a Sunset Overdrive avatar*
BRocknRolla
Member
Well, at least UWP is still a long ways off from replacing Win32 on the gaming front, and like with GFWL, only a few games are hobbled by it (which is still unfortunate).
If I sign up for GAF Gold does it come with a bigger ignore list I swear I've blocked some of these posters before.
If I sign up for GAF Gold does it come with a bigger ignore list
I swear I've blocked some of these posters before.King Gilga
Member
Yeah, I forgot about that actually, haha. Metacritic put it under General. And really, i've heard Uncharted games are more Action Adventure and less labelled as a TPS, like Tomb Raider.
And a better example of Open-World VS Open World is Sunset Overdrive (81) VS No Man's Sky (71).
95% of the time spent in Uncharted is tpshooting and running from cover to cover, it was sony's only answer to gears even on the ps3.
And that is still a ridiculously bad comparison, Sunset Overdrive and No Mans Sky those games aren't alike even on the minutest level.
A better (but still not very good) comparison would be Infamous Second Son, which probably would also rank lower than Sunset Overdrive as I remember people really liking the latter and not the former.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Edit. Just re-read.
Let's stay on topic. I think you got trolled by Nags.
I was being ridiculous, I knew they ain't alike. Infamous also has 80, so it's similar to SO.
Either way, what we can gather is:
- Both Sony and Microsoft have some hits.
- Microsoft's DRM does not mean they should exit the Gaming Industry.
Eh, I see many serious posts like that daily and had to say something.
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It is weird how Playground has been silent on this though...but then again, most devs would be.
If you are saying you disable core zero for the game, wouldn't that mean the decryption and the game won't be in contention for that one core anymore and allow the decryption to have a full core and the game run on another (full) core that isn't partially being used by the decryption?
VibratingDonkey
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Glad I ultimately opted to continue my streak of instead buying the XB1 disc version for cheaper. Saves me money and from any UWP related hijinks.
Hopefully Quantum Break will have been the start of a trend. Everybody wins that way.
Play Anywhere can be a good deal if you're buying the digital XB1 version. Even if you won't play it on PC, it's virtually free, so what the heck.
Meanwhile, on PC, in Sweden, there's a 33% price hike for a new PC game on the Windows Store compared to wherever else except Steam and Origin which are also horrible.
Aside from all the various issues and hassles that keep popping up around Microsoft's PC efforts, that's the main problem for me with Microsoft's supposed pro-consumer direction.
Microsoft would need to either let you buy just the UWP version, at an appropriately lowered price, or somehow justify the increased cost.
Currently, UWP is both worse and more expensive. It is not a very appealing proposition.
Hopefully Quantum Break will have been the start of a trend. Everybody wins that way.
Play Anywhere can be a good deal if you're buying the digital XB1 version. Even if you won't play it on PC, it's virtually free, so what the heck.
Meanwhile, on PC, in Sweden, there's a 33% price hike for a new PC game on the Windows Store compared to wherever else except Steam and Origin which are also horrible.
Aside from all the various issues and hassles that keep popping up around Microsoft's PC efforts, that's the main problem for me with Microsoft's supposed pro-consumer direction.
Microsoft would need to either let you buy just the UWP version, at an appropriately lowered price, or somehow justify the increased cost.
Currently, UWP is both worse and more expensive. It is not a very appealing proposition.
texhnolyze
Banned
This here is a perfect example as to why PC gaming will never thrive as much as console gaming. The platform is simply too open. Too many hardware configuration, windows versions, driver versions, etc. All of this stuff has to be taken into consideration during development, and if not done extensively well, the developer is to blame for a "bad port".
By the way, let me say this; if you complain about having to troubleshoot a game, tweak the graphical settings, do some trial and error to make the game run smoothly, maybe PC gaming is not for you.
There are some game devs which have done a very good job at creating a smooth experience for the PC user, but these are becoming more and more the exception rather than the rule (looking at you, Witcher 3). In a world where technology is growing more complex each day, pushing boundaries, both on the hardware end and the software end, I don't see the number of good stable PC ports being on the rise for AAA games. At least not without some tweaking from the end user.
At the end of the day, the smoother experience will be held on fixed hardware. Apple already understood that, and this is why Microsoft is not backing out of the console business anytime soon either. Hell look at Sony's success right now. The plug and play, no headache value of a console is starting to become a very attractive selling point, more than ever I would say.
By the way, let me say this; if you complain about having to troubleshoot a game, tweak the graphical settings, do some trial and error to make the game run smoothly, maybe PC gaming is not for you.
There are some game devs which have done a very good job at creating a smooth experience for the PC user, but these are becoming more and more the exception rather than the rule (looking at you, Witcher 3). In a world where technology is growing more complex each day, pushing boundaries, both on the hardware end and the software end, I don't see the number of good stable PC ports being on the rise for AAA games. At least not without some tweaking from the end user.
At the end of the day, the smoother experience will be held on fixed hardware. Apple already understood that, and this is why Microsoft is not backing out of the console business anytime soon either. Hell look at Sony's success right now. The plug and play, no headache value of a console is starting to become a very attractive selling point, more than ever I would say.
chronic_archaic
Member
Just because you're used to being able to mod games makes it a requirement? I know what the PC games landscape is like, but if a software publisher wants to lock out external modification I don't think anyone should be mad.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I'm like 100% certain that whatever this thing is, it's not making stuff unmoddable if it's on H5 Forge. People hooked cheat engine into that day 1, and the variety of stuff that's come since is kind of remarkable. I saw somebody worked out how to create piece-by-piece armor customization, which isn't in the main game. That people aren't totally conversant in HOW to fully mod it yet is kind of unsurprising, since it's a new game in a new file format, but it's clearly doable.
If it turns out that it's actually damaging to performance though that's another kettle of fish.
If it turns out that it's actually damaging to performance though that's another kettle of fish.
King Gilga
Member
It's a UWP game, it's dead in the water no matter what anyways.
Are you gamer? Or are you a sheep? Which one are you? You have to be both, right?
Oh OK, if chronic_archaic thinks we shouldn't be mad when publishers remove our rights as customers then I guess a mod should close the thread now. Do we need to apologize too?
A Turn 10 community manager has posted on this forum and stated they are aware of the stuttering issue and have a patch coming.
chronic_archaic
Member
It's not a right, it's a side effect of the platform you're using. You're not entitled to anything.
NoPiece
Member
God endowed man with certain natural rights. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of modding.
It's likely Playground isn't in a position to talk about it, they're a third-party studio working with a first-party studio after all.
johnnydrama
Banned
Not interested in teaching anyone anything. Can't take games that seriously.