I mean, that is a garbage response from that poster, and we should ABSOLUTELY give them shit, but there was no epithet.
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Obama ending policy granting residency to Cubans who enter USA without visas
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I mean, that is a garbage response from that poster, and we should ABSOLUTELY give them shit, but there was no epithet.
theignoramus
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Those Cubans treat Haitians like theyre beneath them in Miami, so they ought to celebrate.
As a Mexican immigrant living in America, I think they already did this, lol.
No kidding
platina
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Hmm...how about you can go fuck yourself along with your nasty comment? Grow up you before posting random shit like this.
Funny, that's what could be said for the Cuban Community. Say that to a group a Nicaraguans, Venezuelans, Dominicans, any non-white hispanic cuban...
They can be put into the normal asylum determination process, just like everyone else fleeing from bad governments. Do you think Chinese, Syrians, Russians, Egyptians and Iranians that arrive in the US should get automatic green cards as well?
It's great IMO, it means they're not just blind Trump or even Republican supporters. It means they can be swayed and depending on their reasoning for the praise be reasoned with and will voted dependent on policies.
This is a good move it is both equitable and equal in treatment
IrishNinja
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Rubio should feel compelled given some of his base, but Cruz? that's harder to see
again i'll always pointed out how unfair this agreement was to them in particular, but shitting on our haitian community is far from exclusive to any one group out here, sadly
I mean, is it wrong to say this is the ideal? Unrealistic, but the standard we should strive towards, not a policy of shutting people out.
It'll never happen. I understand why this was put into place at the time, but it's doesn't need to be here anymore. Not with the borders open between the countries and relations getting better. Because then you'd have to ask why isn't this for anyone who is trying to escape a hostile country.
Also Graham's tweet is peak hypocrisy.
Because an automatic green card leaves it open to abuse. There was just a case yesterday where the Feds confiscated about $28 million in property from a Chinese woman who went to the US fraudulently under the EB-5 visa program--the money was embezzled funds from the Chinese government.
metalslimer
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The Cubans against immigration for every other ethnicity and nationality can go fuck themselves. Not going to throw the entire group under the bus, but I can't stand that level of hypocrisy and self-serving interest.
boredofcanada
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As a us citizen of parents who fled Cuba in the 1960's, I always understood why it was put in place back then, but it's been decades and frankly there are other Caribbean countries with just as bad, if not worse, situations. I always found it unfair and outdated. Good
bishopcruz
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People ignorant as fuck about the Cuban community telling it to go fuck themselves while whitewashing a horrific fucking dictatorship. Yep, must be GAF.
IrishNinja
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as was said, there's a number of cubans who likewise oppose this policy - if their anti-immigration stance was more consistent, would it find you any better?
you know i love ya man, but there's some irony in rebutting that statement from one single gaffer by painting the entire community with a broad brush
ill grant you that a lot of asses were shown when castro died, but that also was far from exclusive to GAF
Douche McBaggins The 3rd
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Imagine Trump doing the roll around and applaud Obahmuh on this move and going. CUBA NEVER GAVE US ANYTHING GOOD. THEY"RE RAPISTS. MURDERERS. THEY BRING DRUGS. Remember that movie Scarface? That's a documentary. Wonderful documentary. Remember Tony Montana? They're sending their worst here. They sent Ted Cruz who murdered a John F Kennedy on that brassy knoll. They sent Little Marco, who's still little. His lies are little, why can't he say BIG LIES? If you wanna hang with the bigly, you gotta be bigly.
Or will the Republicans finally say theys hads all they can stands they can't stands no more! And stand up? Or am I being optimistic about these things?'
Am I the only one that sees Trump as a stupider version of Kelly Bundy?
Or will the Republicans finally say theys hads all they can stands they can't stands no more! And stand up? Or am I being optimistic about these things?'
Am I the only one that sees Trump as a stupider version of Kelly Bundy?
ultratruman
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Oh cool, did the political oppression die with Castro?
Electric Eye
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The moment you realize they never really liked or wanted you here but thanks for the votes.
Douche McBaggins The 3rd
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That's quite a bit harsh. But more truthful than it should be.
Yeah my understanding is they are the definition of "fuck you, I got mine."
No, but if the idea is to keep up a hardline policy towards Cuba until political oppression ends...that is not going to help anyone either. It clearly hasn't worked so far. Not even a little. It's a stance that can only be defended as purely a matter of principle, regardless of its objetive limitations in terms of changing the realities of the situation.
soundscream
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Good.
Its was fucked up how if you were Cuban you were welcomed yet if you were Haitian it was GTFO.
Its was fucked up how if you were Cuban you were welcomed yet if you were Haitian it was GTFO.
Can you tell us what is your position on Venezuela?
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Do we know that the poster himself isn't Cuban?
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The President of Cuba during the Missile Crisis died last year. Just saying!
IrishNinja
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to be fair, a lot of whites/people outside of miami aren't really exposed to large segments of the cuban community, i believe
always explained the che shirts, for me
also, pitbull
Gordon Shumway
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You must have misread my post, because I meant Raul Castro
It's because it's nonsense to have "wet foot, dry foot" for Cubans while immigrants from other countries (Many of which are in far worse shape) get fucked.
As a Florida Cuban I agree 100%
I feel ignorant for not knowing about this policy. But now that I know about it, this really pisses me off. There are a ton of other countries in the world where people are in much more dire straits than those who live in Cuba, and immigrants from Cuba have been getting preferential treatment all this time? I mean I can understand the policy in the throes of the Cold War, but they JUST got rid of this policy? While people like Machado from Venezuela had to game the system with GAFfers to even have a chance to immigrate to Quebec? God dammit.
To be clear, I wish the policy were expanded to other countries rather than shut down entirely. It just pisses me off that this was only available to people from Cuba, while people in far worse shape were fucked because they weren't born in the right shitty country.
To be clear, I wish the policy were expanded to other countries rather than shut down entirely. It just pisses me off that this was only available to people from Cuba, while people in far worse shape were fucked because they weren't born in the right shitty country.
Sure, to be brief: the Chavez/Maduro regime has been horrible, the people are suffering, it's a farce of a democracy, and the rhetoric of "the regime is heroic, resisting Western imperialism! It's just the capitalists who are mad!" that shows up on GAF is narrow-minded and ignorant about what people there are facing.
The views on Cuba are similar, but people add a lick of entitlement to it - "I want to go to Cuba for vacation! Bring on the Cuban cigars!" It'd be like if they deported every Chinese person from the US, and the major take-away from the tragedy is "this is terrible, where are we going to get dim sum now?"
Let me say this as the son of native Haitians. Our people are indebted to Cubans for their generosity in health care workers and millions provided to aid Haiti. That being said, I always found the "wet foot, dry foot" policy both hypocritical and legislative bullshit. Haiti has persisted in its reputation as the poorest country of the Western Hemisphere. Duvalier was a s much of a dictator as Castro, killing thousands of his own citizens and exiling millions more. Yet Cubans were allowed to have visa status, while Haitians were turned away, imprisoned if they survived the journey overseas, and/or sent back to certain persecution by both Francois (le pere) and Jean-Claude (le fil) Duvalier. Why were Haitians escaping persecution any less refugees than Cubans? That never sat right with me, and reinforced my notion of racism and less consideration by the United States of either Black or African refugees.
My best friend and closest thing to a brother is Cuban, but even his parents agree there is a huge hypocrisy in the policy. I also stayed in Miami, and felt denigrated by certain members of the Cuban community. Of course, I would never condemn the whole group but they have to acknowledge the naked hypocrisy to denying others the opportunity to experience freedom and escape punishment of dictatorships.
My best friend and closest thing to a brother is Cuban, but even his parents agree there is a huge hypocrisy in the policy. I also stayed in Miami, and felt denigrated by certain members of the Cuban community. Of course, I would never condemn the whole group but they have to acknowledge the naked hypocrisy to denying others the opportunity to experience freedom and escape punishment of dictatorships.
How does normalizing trade relations with Cuba equate to deporting every Chinese person from the US?
bishopcruz
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Yep, just one... on a quick scan.
With all the discussion about immigration during the elections I'm surprised this was never brought up.
Ah yes, the good ol' "fuck you, I got mine" attitude. Cuban Americans truly are Republicans.
Yeah, let's just shit on a community because a plurality of them vote Republican, and were successful. And all of GAF? No, but let's be honest, Cubans are the Hispanic minority that it's 'ok' to shit all over by people who would be up in fucking arms, and rightly so if similar generalizations were thrown at Venezuelans, Mexicans, Nicaraguans, and the like. And this isn't the first time either.
The Maverick
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This thread is lit. Whew.
There isn't a direct comparison; the idea I'm trying to get across is the attitude that people tend to regard Cuba and its problems like it means little else than whether they can take a vacation or smoke some cigars. When people do that, they maybe don't see the problems people have gone through there for decades.
This is actually Ok by me.
Never understood this about Cubans. They can come here, put their foot on US soil and get a green card. To add cherry's on top, those cubans who become US citizens look down on the rest of the immigrant community and vote against them by supporting right wing policy.
By Obama doing this, they hopefully will learn how it feels to be fighting against people like them just caused they drank that "im one of the good ones" Koolaid.
Never understood this about Cubans. They can come here, put their foot on US soil and get a green card. To add cherry's on top, those cubans who become US citizens look down on the rest of the immigrant community and vote against them by supporting right wing policy.
By Obama doing this, they hopefully will learn how it feels to be fighting against people like them just caused they drank that "im one of the good ones" Koolaid.
Gordon Shumway
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What if I told you..nah. Assume what you like, Pancho. You know who and WHAT I am and my life experiences. Carry on..😉
Trojita
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You kind of just brought napalm to a mortar fight.
Are you assuming he voted for Trump? Why should cuban immigrants continue to have an exception when other countries in Latin America are just as bad for refugees if not worse?
The Cuban American community, centered in Florida, has a track record with being hypocritical of attempted immigration by other Latin Americans. There is going to be resentment by other Latin American people.
GameAddict411
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I am pretty sure there are a lot of Cubans who do not support your generalized assumption about them. I would recommend taking your attitude else where. It's not only racist, but also hypocritical.
I'm not sure it's so much 'vote Republican' as it is 'identify with the platform of the Republican Party' which this year, was a particular zenith of cartoon villainy at best and specifically bigoted at worst. Particular scorn is delivered onto the community because it smacks of hypocrisy because they're you know, Hispanic. That group of people Trump has targeted and shat on as the premise for his campaign. And 2016 was the worst fucking year to demonstrate just how little they value their fellow Hispanics and just highlights the 'fuck you got mine'/superiority complex mentality that's been rolling for who knows how many decades now.
IE A plurality of Cuban Americans have shown their asses and demonstrated how little they think of other Hispanics in the 2016 election. Other Hispanics are justifiably pissed off. Cubans at large shouldn't be universal targets of this frustration, but when a plurality of them have given you the finger, it's either say Cubans with an * signifying you're referring to the plurality that gave you the finger, or start naming off specific Cuban individuals. Outside of this specific thread, I've largely seen Rubio and those who support him being specifically called out but in this particular thread, we're not going to pretend that as a general rule, Cubans aren't far more sympathetic to the continued special privilege they received than they are to anything that puts them on the same level as 'other' Hispanics. Yeah, the poster saying 'Fuck the entire Florida Cuban community' shouldn't have phrased it like that. But the Cuban community continues to give other Hispanics ammo to hold grievances against said plurality of them that are bigoted against other Hispanics at worst, or vote hypocritically at best.
It was a direct comparison.
Perhaps people believe taking vacations and smoking cigars (and foreign investment) will improve the people like it has done so for many countries.
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