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[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
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Samurai G0SU
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Yeah it was a bit funny .. Had it for WEEKS but then decided to upload the video today with Phil Spencer's tweet on it.
Interesting timing, none the less.
Still excited to see the final reveal though!
If all this is true it puts Microsoft in a very tricky position. Sony will almost certainly cut the price of Pro this Black Friday. If Scorpio retails for £380 or something and Pro is cut to £250 (a £100 cut after a year is probably doable for Sony) then it's going to be a VERY hard sell if the difference is small.
Why aren't more Xbox 1 owners relieved to know they won't have to worry about Scorpio getting exclusives?
I would be really pissed off if I bought an XB1 and couldn't play every game. I don't think everyone is planning on upgrading their console.
If you guys want a lot of power just build a PC..? I don't get it. Consoles shouldn't get exclusives until a real generational divide happens.
I would be really pissed off if I bought an XB1 and couldn't play every game. I don't think everyone is planning on upgrading their console.
If you guys want a lot of power just build a PC..? I don't get it. Consoles shouldn't get exclusives until a real generational divide happens.
People fail to realize that MS isn't going to radically change architecture 18 months out from a hardware release. While everyone likes to joke about how consoles are more like PCs now, far more planning goes into designing a building a console than going on PC Part Picker.
This is all a repeat of Neo, Orbis, Durango, and pretty much every other leak or speculation that of course because we are so far out from launch, changes could totally be made to match or beat the competition.
This is all a repeat of Neo, Orbis, Durango, and pretty much every other leak or speculation that of course because we are so far out from launch, changes could totally be made to match or beat the competition.
Last_colossi
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So the article is basically saying "we have some very minor info regarding the Scorpio's GPU, ESRAM and L2 cache, besides that...
I think they'll bundle a game with the Pro rather than decreasing the price. Not Horizon or something that came out early in the year, but a new game like RDR2, Destiny 2, Battlefront 2, COD, etc.
Bundled games over price cuts.
What else would it have been? That is literally where we're at with consoles now.
We've known since they announced it that only VR would be exclusive.
Diprosalic
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Diminishing returns though.
Primethius
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Nothing in this seems truly surprising. It's a powerful console and a powerful mid-gen refresh but not a new console.
I'm interested to see how MS tackles PR messaging for 1080p owners vs. PS4 Pro. That's going to be a bit messy for them given that downsampled images aren't going notable differences between them on the two upgraded consoles
I'm interested to see how MS tackles PR messaging for 1080p owners vs. PS4 Pro. That's going to be a bit messy for them given that downsampled images aren't going notable differences between them on the two upgraded consoles
The Salt Life
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if true I'm going to be disappointed, I'm ready to throw down $500 on a superior console.
$399 for better than Pro I guess I can live with, the problem is I'm not impressed by the pro, so how much better can "a little bit better" be?
I have the One S, I have the 4k Blu ray drive, I don't know I think I might just coast through the rest of this gen on slim bodies for both companies unless one of them changes their mind and make exclusive games for either pro or Scorpio.
$399 for better than Pro I guess I can live with, the problem is I'm not impressed by the pro, so how much better can "a little bit better" be?
I have the One S, I have the 4k Blu ray drive, I don't know I think I might just coast through the rest of this gen on slim bodies for both companies unless one of them changes their mind and make exclusive games for either pro or Scorpio.
Polygonal_Sprite
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So Scorpio will be roughly the same level of power more than PS4 Pro like PS4 was to Xbox One ?
ethomaz
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Some fans wants a new gen because this gen is for them already lost.
They wanted a next-gen machine based on Zen + Vega.
BradleyLove
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Which article did you read, then? :-/
But no Project Scorpio SKUs allowed, so hopefully that'll shut people up with the "it's a new gen" nonsense, despite MS explicitly stating it'll be part of the XB1 family.
Astral Dog
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O.O
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If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I don't care about 4K, somebody just make me a good 1080p console already!
I'm ok with that.
staticneuron
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Kinda reminds me off
They brought attention to your post history. It is embarrassing. Doesn't matter if you own other consoles or not, your posts sound like console warrior tripe.
I think there will be a little more in the xbox favor. With more ram can have higher quality textures. So not only will it have a slight edge on resolution but textures might look better overall.
vpance
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Unless, every old game requires a patch to run on Scorpio..
Sounds unlikely, so I guess they figured out how to emulate it. Otherwise that would be a PR and development disaster.
Zombegoast
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I feel like this pro/Scorpio was a last minute thing to keep their system relevant and now their stuck with the Jaguar that's already causing issues. It would be interesting to see how they will do this next gen.
I know, but I constantly read people on GAF saying Scorpio should have exclusives.
In theory this should be a great 1080p console if they have it automatically supersampling every game when you have it connected to a 1080p TV.
Ricky Ricardo
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The Switch is barely more than a more efficient Wii U with Nvidia architecture. That you'd think a comparison to Scorpio was valid, let alone to even the PS4 Pro, is amazing and delineates your behavior in the topic perfectly.
Pancakes R Us
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Didn't they say Scorpio is a new generation and not a mid upgrade? I get the impression that this is XBO Pro.
Interfectum
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This system should be great at super-sampling at a decent framerate.
No. Those were people hoping it would be a new generation.
This is what MS is marketing Scorpio as: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/project-scorpio (4K Xbox)
LordOcidax
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Ala PS4PRO then.
They never said that.
They went out of their way to say otherwise.
I really think you are among the minority.
Ninja Scooter
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randomengine in here with the #alternativefacts
Diprosalic
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It's also a handheld in a tiny box. I'm not sure why it's even brought up against big consoles like this. Makes no sense to me.
From July 2016? is this really accurate information to go of for a product launching in holiday 2017? especially given people here describing the console at E3 as vapourware let alone a month after that being anymore solid. Plus that article has a lot of speculation from very little information. We are still as clueless as before and anyone taking this as any sort of solid confirmation of anything is looking for just as much attention as that article wants clicks. I'm sure when early dev kits go out we will start to hear more solid details from leaks. Wasn't it rumoured to be February?
LordOfChaos
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I'm curious, eSRAM has much faster latency than GDDR5, for a GPU, latency generally isn't too important as massively parallel devices, but if a game was coded very specifically to the tune of the eSRAM I wonder if we'll see some oddities on unpatched games.
Sony was paranoid to the point of keeping the CPU and GPU clocks exactly the same in the Pro for unpatched games, removing the eSRAM without the game knowing seems like a bigger deal.
Sony was paranoid to the point of keeping the CPU and GPU clocks exactly the same in the Pro for unpatched games, removing the eSRAM without the game knowing seems like a bigger deal.
No. They said they don't want there to be generations anymore.
supernormal
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How does keeping the same CPU architecture affect VR? I know PSVR gets by, but that was tailored to the PS4, uses reprojection and also has a lower res screen. Can MS run occulus properly with the Jaguar?
Sure, although by all accounts Scorpio should still be handily more capable than Pro it'll have the same basic internal setup.
tiebreaker
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So, checkerboard??
TheGreyHulk
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If this thing doesnt have a much better cpu, im jist going to spend the same money on a new gpu for my potato masher pc.
Already have a ps4 pro and xbone but wanted to upgrade to scorpio. Not really interested in doing that if the cpu is still jaguar based.
Already have a ps4 pro and xbone but wanted to upgrade to scorpio. Not really interested in doing that if the cpu is still jaguar based.
Chill Penguin
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It's not about "losing" a generation for anyone other than fanboys. People are disappointed because we wanted an upgraded CPU instead of a crappy jaguar and we wanted native 4k for the latest games. This also only pushes back the release of the real Xbox successor.
SEGAvangelist
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Sounds like they are shooting for $399 based on those specs. I'm cool with that.
randomengine
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*sigh* look we all know the pro and Scorpio systems won't have exclusive software which means that the series are throttled by the base versions. There are tons of PS4/vita games.
If the rumors were true that this was a huge leap it would apply more pressure on competitors to keep up. That won't be the case. Which means Switch should be able to get plenty of multi platform releases technically.
Absolutely on topic.
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