FaintColt388301
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Came here for excitement about Nintendo beefing up and getting ready for a big push and got... I have no idea. What even is going on in here
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WSJ: Nintendo now to manufacture 16 million Switch consoles next FY, up from 8m
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Came here for excitement about Nintendo beefing up and getting ready for a big push and got... I have no idea. What even is going on in here
I'm actually surprised they are still talking to him. If I remember, he's the guy who mentioned that Nintendo should be concerned that Switch sold less than Vita on its second week in Japan.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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Which is logical if I didn't keep track of Japanese sales until I joined the forum. Also I was proven right by the initial poster anyway.
So not that that convinced is over seems everyone's talking about genesis vs. Snes now.
Jaded Alyx
Member
From what i know, the Genesis was faster but the SNES was 'more capable' in that it could handle larger sprites, more colours, etc.
it's pretty great, i don't know what it is about console wars that makes internet kids lose their minds but it's always hilarious
If Pokémon Stars is an actual thing, TPC would likely reveal the game ahead of E3 to not share the spotlight with the other E3 Switch games. As for Splatoon 2, that's assuming that it doesn't drop in June (though to be fair, Nintendo could still spill on info if Splatoon 2 drops later in June).
MrCookiepants
Member
Nintendo made the best open world game ever on Wii U specs. Kind of embarrassing for the rest of the industry.
I think we've reached the point where Nintendo's hardware is no longer limiting the kind of games they can make. They just won't be able to do individual, realistically animated chest hairs like Uncharted 4.
So far I've seen nothing to suggest that PS4 power isn't superfluous in terms of actual game design. MGSV was the most "next-gen" feeling game so far and it was on 360 as well.
I think we've reached the point where Nintendo's hardware is no longer limiting the kind of games they can make. They just won't be able to do individual, realistically animated chest hairs like Uncharted 4.
So far I've seen nothing to suggest that PS4 power isn't superfluous in terms of actual game design. MGSV was the most "next-gen" feeling game so far and it was on 360 as well.
D.Lo
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CPU yeah, but it was much more capable machine graphically and sonically, colours, sprites on screen, effects, sound channels and effects etc. I mean the Game Boy has a much more powerful CPU than the NES or Master System, but CPU isn't everything.
But 'power' isn't why the SNES won, it was Nintendo games, focused business plan, and Japanese developer support. Games and potential, nobody would ever have said "well Sega has all the games I want, but the SNES has more colours, so I'll get that instead" or vice versa "I really want Mario and Zelda but that Mega Drive CPU is better so I'm getting that".
Desirable hardware, good price for what you get, good games people want. That is the formula for success for a console. Power of the computer plays into all three, but it is always a balance.
Splatoon 2 will definitely be after E3 imo. I think it may even be july or august. But I don't see Nintendo having Splatoon skip E3, especially after how E3 helped Splatoon 1.
As for pokemon, yeah TPC would be the one to announce it. But either way, you're going to be devoting a huge amount of time to covering and talking about it during E3 (unless TPC revealed it after E3 of course...)
Maybe not a full direct, but I am expecting a smaller one focused solely on ARMS. It launches before the E3 and is supposed to be the bridge between Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon 2. Hopefully, we will get something similar to the Fire Emblem Direct.
Thanks, I totally had that wrong.
To clarify, what Jaded Alyx wrote is in line with what I was thinking when I said what I did. I should have also mentioned that aspect in my last reply, sorry. The Switch playing games you would normally find on a console rather than those on a 3DS, is part of what I meant. Anyway, I understand we see the situation differently, and you are entitled to your opinion of course. As you indicated, the proof of its success or failure will be in the pudding.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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A bit different in the u.s. and Europe though when the genesis was winning because of games until sega sloped up that u.s. lead.
While you normally wouldn't be wrong, there's also the possibility of Smash 4 Deluxe being there as well as MvCI & SFV news (the latter two being ones that I'll likely be doing podcasts with Vesper on, mostly on the MvCI front).
The Gorby Congressmanz
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Absolutely. Too early to tell atm..
hm?
Wandering Robot
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Here's hoping Nintendo's confidence is well-placed. It'll be an interesting year to watch here on in.
I also won't complain about any Directs before E3. ;o
I also won't complain about any Directs before E3. ;o
I believe SPL2 has been deconfirmed for June. Nintendo originally said Summer release but since clarified it to H2. I don't have the link handy unfortunately but I remember it pretty distinctly. Obon is August 13-15 so it should be out by then.
E3 is likely gonna open the floodgates for MvCI, & June is gonna be a month for a new SFV DLC character.
nextgeneration
Member
Maybe they have a Wii Sports type game waiting in the wings.
wait....when I said "you" I was talking about Treehouse during E3
Yes, I am also expecting some DLC characters or modes to be announced after the game releases. The E3 would be the perfect opportunity to do it.
August was my OG prediction back in Feb so that's cool. With ARMs in the last weeks of May
Well I feel dumb.
Either way, I'd imagine that TPC would want the headlines to be all about Pokémon Stars, assuming it's real.
thestopsign
Member
You weren't proven right. The only thing that is proven about the Japanese sales so far is that it is entirely sold out and is selling through whatever is placed on shelves. Just because it sold fewer units than the Vita did in its second week does not mean that it couldn't have sold more if the stock was available to do so.
With Monster Hunter being hinted at for Switch, Nintendo has the possibility of having an all time great holiday season in Japan. If the stars align they have:
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (will have legs)
Splatoon 2 (will have tentacles)
Super Mario Odyssey
Dragon Quest XI
Pokemon Stars
Monster Hunter XX Switch
Okay​, then contact a Nintendo rep to find out.
No one here is going to be able to give you the facts.
What about Smash?
The Gorby Congressmanz
Banned
And once again I never brought up the Vita in this thread. A guy attacked me on an old post that had nothing to do with my first comment, and that post was in a different thread.
AdventureRacing
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In terms of big exclusive SW nintendo has an incredible line-up for its first year. The only issue is that between that it's just extended periods of nothing. Hopefully E3 fleshes out the SW line-up with some more small to medium sized SW and gives us a glimpse of the future of the switch. It's great to have plenty of big games like that but i don't think you can rely on that alone.
I know this is an old post, but the idea that the Switch isn't that much more powerful than a Vita is laughable. It literally has 8 times more RAM and a GPU over 7 times stronger. There's a full generational gap between Vita and Switch.
Skyfireblaze
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Sure no problem if I remember I will PM you but it will still take 1-2 weeks till I get one most likely. As far as I heard only the non-glass ones had severe issues with the glue but I'll see.
dreamlongdead
Member
Nintendo needs to have the first year stacked. The plan worked out well for NES, SNES, and Wii. Even though those systems slowed down, a strong start ensured that they didn't fail.
Those of you talking about 2018 releases really aren't thinking this through. They can't spread themselves thin like they did with WiiU. It took 2 to 3 years for that console to get some of its biggest games, and it was all too little too late.
The third party support really has to pick up, and there is a chance it will ramp up with a loaded holiday lineup.
Those of you talking about 2018 releases really aren't thinking this through. They can't spread themselves thin like they did with WiiU. It took 2 to 3 years for that console to get some of its biggest games, and it was all too little too late.
The third party support really has to pick up, and there is a chance it will ramp up with a loaded holiday lineup.
Thanks man, whenever you do test it I'll be interested to hear the results. This is the tempered glass issue I was thinking of, BTW: https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5xlfxy/switch_melted_my_screen_protector/.
Crayon
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I'll cosign on this. I could call the power essentially superfluous. The new design of the system is very beneficial for other reasons but in terms of what our games can do there is almost no appreciable difference.
Standard tempered glass issue. You need to let the adhesive dry a bit before putting it in extreme heat situations, which dock mode does when ramping up the speeds.
Uno Venova
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god can you imagine being in a restaurant or something listening to this thread in real life
like, what would multi-quoting sounds like
TLZ
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This could be said about many other system launches as well. That's why it is too early to tell anything now, whether success or failure. We will need to wait at least a year, I'd say about two years to really have a much better idea.
Glad Nintendo is looking more bullish on the system. They need to be confident and inspire confidence that, yes, the Switch is going to succeed.
The system needs to keep selling, yes, but the ceiling on that is tied up in what developers put on the system and what they put on the system is tied up in both how well it sells and how well they believe it is going to sell at a time when they are making decisions about games, especially early on when the actual sales aren't there.
It'll be interesting to watch if the hybrid model is indeed acceptable both in Japan and in the West. I'm mostly curious about the former, because Switch succeeding (or failing) in Japan means so much more for the Japanese domestic market and software industry than it means for the western market. I really hope Nintendo convinced Japan to be bullish on Switch and that it can be pushed to 15-20 million there over its lifetime. That is where Nintendo can most obviously be competitive for software.
It'll be interesting to see what is announced and isn't announced later in 2017 and what the 2018 picture looks like. I could see it easily being a mostly Nintendo driven year, but I hope there are early signs of extensive 3DS support and/or PS4/Vita multiplatform support coming. If there aren't signs of strong Japanese support coming for 2018 holiday+ by mid-2018 or so, I think the Switch will be having a tough future, even if Zelda/Splatoon/Kart/Mario drive it to modest success.
The system needs to keep selling, yes, but the ceiling on that is tied up in what developers put on the system and what they put on the system is tied up in both how well it sells and how well they believe it is going to sell at a time when they are making decisions about games, especially early on when the actual sales aren't there.
It'll be interesting to watch if the hybrid model is indeed acceptable both in Japan and in the West. I'm mostly curious about the former, because Switch succeeding (or failing) in Japan means so much more for the Japanese domestic market and software industry than it means for the western market. I really hope Nintendo convinced Japan to be bullish on Switch and that it can be pushed to 15-20 million there over its lifetime. That is where Nintendo can most obviously be competitive for software.
It'll be interesting to see what is announced and isn't announced later in 2017 and what the 2018 picture looks like. I could see it easily being a mostly Nintendo driven year, but I hope there are early signs of extensive 3DS support and/or PS4/Vita multiplatform support coming. If there aren't signs of strong Japanese support coming for 2018 holiday+ by mid-2018 or so, I think the Switch will be having a tough future, even if Zelda/Splatoon/Kart/Mario drive it to modest success.
OrbitalBeard
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It's overestimation on my part to say multiplayer on the go being its main appeal. However I still stand that such feature is a strong appeal of the Switch. It's very different from 3DS's 3D where it rarely comes into people consideration when they buy 3DS. The 3D is so half-baked that it dotesn't work most of the time. N3DS, 3DS subsequent hardware revision have better 3D but most people view as a bonus and view its better specs, battery, and screen as its main appeal.
Take the 3D out of 3DS you have functional hardware that could play 3DS with barely any problem. Take Joycon out of Switch, and you already rob some games local multiplayer features. Not to mention that game like 1-2 Switch (I bet there will be more game like however) will ceased to function unless you have additional Joycons unit.
The cheaper SKU that Nintendo can make without taking out the joycons is dockless Switch unit. But the dock is already cheap as fuck and I doubt its exclusion can contribute to price cut considerably.
thestopsign
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Leithkorias
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Well I imagine they have to replace those warranty return consoles somehow...😂
Kidding. But i do have one of those non working left joycons and im considering an exchange.
Kidding. But i do have one of those non working left joycons and im considering an exchange.
JoshuaJSlone
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Before this, had we even heard of the original 8 million target?
First full April-March worldwide shipments for a few previous big sellers:
Wii: 18.61m
GBA: 17.09m
3DS: 13.52m
DS: 11.46m
First full April-March worldwide shipments for a few previous big sellers:
Wii: 18.61m
GBA: 17.09m
3DS: 13.52m
DS: 11.46m
On its own, 8 million makes enough sense as a starting point. About dab in the center of what 3DS and Wii U first full year shipments were.JStein0222 said:
"Play the same home console quality games at home or anywhere!" is a better selling point than "Play the same home console quality games at home or a dozen feet away in the home!"flipswitch said:
It shipped about that many at least, but considering how few were shipped in the following months I doubt they all sold that quickly.TLZ said:
April 2015 - March 2016 was about 17.7m.Frankfurter said:
Based on past history of revisions and that they normally don't launch those during peak holiday times, along with 3DS still being supported in 2018, I'm guessing early 2019.4Tran said:
Same reason Dragon Quest still uses some NES sounds. That's just what those things have become expected to sound like.AndrewDean84xX said:
Diprosalic said:
Code name schmode name. Pokémon Stars / Poké Monstars is the coolest name the franchise has seen in ages.Lexxism said:It's a code name
Switch is such an open concept it'd be a shame to not see different versions catering to different needs. And we've just seen that with 3DS anyway. Regular version, large version, dumb cheap unfoldable 2D version coexisting.Peltz said:
OrbitalBeard said:
I presume watching reaction to the Switch over the last 6 months has affected projections. They said as much, but only in the context of how many might ship through the end of March.massucci said:
I think New 3DS XL is far less portable than GB Micro too.TheGorby said:
phantasmic_glaive
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Does the the Switch still need to be justified of its existence? "Nintendo's hardware is no longer limiting of what kinds of games it can make..... it just can't do chest hairs." *clears throat* You should broaden your horizons if you think the only "next-gen feeling game" is MGSV.
I think the game with the best open ever, as you claim, looks great and can't wait to play it. Still waiting on one of these 16 million to be in my hands.
I wonder what prompted them to double production. It was already on par to beating the wiiu. What happened?
Elfotografoalocado
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So true, which is why Switch having a modern feature set and being much, much more powerful than Wii U is a great sign for current gen games coming out.
Just started BOTW on Wii U and it's amazing, and the visuals are amazing too. Those materials, and that grass...
Orniletter
Banned
It's the usual song and dance.
"I'll buy it for $300 bucks if it's bundled with $130 worth of games/peripherals" (which is kind of ludicrous in itself) will turn into "I'll buy it for 250 bucks with Mario and Zelda + a set of joy cons" when the former offer happens.