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[marciocdb]

I don't believe it will be Jaguar. I think it's going to be Zen. Or if not, optimized Excavatar with an unusually high clock speed for a console. And I mean unusually high.

If not Zen, I bet on Puma or Excavator...
Jaguar would be a step back at this point, for a console meant to last at least 3, 4 years...

 

[HighResTomato]

Come on people, nothing will happen on Thursday. The more they stay quiet the bigger the anticipation.

Spoiler

Also the bigger the disappointment

 

[OttoSporteman]

I remember people disliking how the TV show break from the action, which was optional. And saying that it was a bad cover shooter which the game even isn't.

Then you have reviews like giant bomb that invented bugs to trash the game and to hide the fact they sucked at the game.

But you are right. There were reasons, just not good ones.

I liked Quantum Break, a lot, and as with Alan Wake, its faults are evident:

• TV portion breaks immersion and it's clearly a left over of the Microsoft TV inititive from launch
• Slow pace and few action moments
• Puzzles were not creative nor challenging - and it was a TIME TRAVEL game, imagine the possibilities?
• The idea of multiple possibilities/endings, although ambitious, was not well implemented and if you made the second playthrough the decisions don't have that much impact

If they trimmed down the options to a truly linear experience and focused the TV resources and time (both financial and creative) into more action segments, better puzzles and an overal longer game, its reviews and reception would be much different.

The gameplay is good, the shooting feels alright and the story is immersive and well told but there are only a couple of hours of gameplay that isn't a walking simulator inside the 10h campaign (with 3h of TV show included).

 

[Marmelade]

If not Zen, I bet on Puma or Excavator...
Jaguar would be a step back at this point, for a console meant to last at least 3, 4 years...

Puma is basically Jaguar at a higher clock speed

 

[EagleEyes]

I would love if a microphone was built into the Scorpio. Microsoft has put a lot of work into Cortana so it seems like a massive waste to not incorporate it into their new device as a standard feature. I think it was a mistake last year not putting a mic into the Xbox One S. People don't want to have to put a headset on all the time just for cortana.

 

[tiredheadcrab]

So what are the odds of a usb-c/thunderbolt 3 port?

 

[Thorrgal]

An actual shiver ran down my spine. I don't know how you can stand that shit with the excessive contrast distortion caused by artificial sharpness.

Maybe he's talking about 10 in a scale of 100. The LG OLED's are like that. There's no fucking way he has a 100 on a OLED panel lol

Edit: Got clarified further. Man, instead of activating super resolution you can try increasing the sharpeness a bit, it introduces less artifacts. My sweet spot is around 17-18

 

[Dehnus]

Isn't it RyZen priced 300 $ minimum? I mean, I don't see it affordable this year, even if the tech is ready (which is not in the AMD plans). This console would be incredibly expensive and Ryzen it's almost useless with the baseline tied on xbone. I hope this console specs push me to buy another Xbox but I think to have absurd expectations not help in the future perspective.

For you? Yes, for Microsoft that orders a few million far lower clocked CPU's (like at 2gh rather than 3?) nope. They can get them at almost half the price, especially since the lower clock means they can use the lesser quality ones of the waver for them as well, and that is what drives the price. How many you can get at a certain clockrate, from one waver.

At 2ghz or even 1.7 that will be quite a bit higher than at 3. And a 1.7ghz Ryzen is eons ahead of a 1.7ghz Jaguar.

So:
1. MS does not pay consumer prices like you do.
2. MS orders far more than you do, and thus can drive the price down.
3. MS doesn't need the higher clocked ones, and thus lesser quality chips can make the cut.

That is not saying MS will USE Ryzen (I don't personally think they will), but the chips certainly aren't 300 bucks a piece for them. More like 180 a 220, depending on how high the yields are.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Maybe he's talking about 10 in a scale of 100. The LG OLED's are like that. There's no fucking way he has a 100 on a OLED panel lol

My EC9300 has a maximum of 50 and I have it at 10.

 

[Thorrgal]

My EC9300 has a maximum of 50 and I have it at 10.

Ah ok, mine goes to 100 and i got it at 18

Edit: 55930 here

 

[Samurai G0SU]

I got a feeling, inside my bones.

 

[Dehnus]

I got a feeling, inside my bones.

You should have that looked at, that doesn't sound good.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I got a feeling, inside my bones.

Sounds naughty

 

[VectorVictor]

I got a feeling, inside my bones.

Does it go electric, wavey when you turn it on?

If so, you should see a doctor about that.

 

[leeh]

I got a feeling, inside my boner.

FTFY

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Ah ok, mine goes to 100 and i got it at 18

Edit: 55930 here

Cool cool, and do you also use super resolution?

 

[LukasTaves]

Opinions and all that, but there were plenty of problems with the game that brought its score down to where it is, more than you've listed here in fact. You're free to love the game all you want, but to dismiss every single reviewers criticism... a bit silly.

I'm not saying the game is perfect nor I'm dissing all reviews. Just the ones that completely trash on the game for so little. Like the giant bomb review that gave it an 4.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Thursday is going to be interesting around here. I'm looking for meltdowns, "no games", "only 40%" and a whole bunch of stupidity across the thread. Looking forward to the deets. Even though I probably won't get one until next year when I get a 4K tv (I want a 70" HDR10 one) and gonna buy an extra Kinect for it cuz I like the voice controls for XBO, but we shall see the DEETZ.

What a strange post. It seems like you are baiting for the stupidity.

 

[VincentMatts]

Is it Thursday?

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Digital Foundry can verify the hype if it has Zen.

They can also deliver the bad news if it doesn't. But say, "hey, Forza looked mind blowing, all is not lost".

Works both ways.

 

[leeh]

What a strange post. It seems like you are baiting for the stupidity.

Let's face it, it's going to happen whatever the outcome. I've got the microwavable popcorn at the ready.

 

[LukasTaves]

I liked Quantum Break, a lot, and as with Alan Wake, its faults are evident:

• TV portion breaks immersion and it's clearly a left over of the Microsoft TV inititive from launch
• Slow pace and few action moments
• Puzzles were not creative nor challenging - and it was a TIME TRAVEL game, imagine the possibilities?
• The idea of multiple possibilities/endings, although ambitious, was not well implemented and if you made the second playthrough the decisions don't have that much impact

If they trimmed down the options to a truly linear experience and focused the TV resources and time (both financial and creative) into more action segments, better puzzles and an overal longer game, its reviews and reception would be much different.

The gameplay is good, the shooting feels alright and the story is immersive and well told but there are only a couple of hours of gameplay that isn't a walking simulator inside the 10h campaign (with 3h of TV show included).

I agree with all that. Specially on the puzzle part. Though I really enjoyed the show.

My problem however is that this is a game with stellar game play and story and instead of being applauded for that with caveats due it's problems some reviews trashed the game because its flaws and didn't recognized what it did REALLY good.


Edit: there's a difference in like: ok, this game has sublime gameplay and the story is spectacular, go ahead and try it, because even if the flaws are evident it's truly outstanding on those parts.

To: The gameplay is OK, but the game really sucks at being a cover shooter, and we didn't even tried to enjoy the show or spread in game info about the universe, in fact we didn't even tried to follow the story but it's just confusing. Oh and the gameplay is really bad because if you play it like a cover shooter you get your ass kicked, and the final battle doesn't even have cover, it's outrageous.

 

[hanspampel]

For you? Yes, for Microsoft that orders a few million far lower clocked CPU's (like at 2gh rather than 3?) nope. They can get them at almost half the price, especially since the lower clock means they can use the lesser quality ones of the waver for them as well, and that is what drives the price. How many you can get at a certain clockrate, from one waver.

At 2ghz or even 1.7 that will be quite a bit higher than at 3. And a 1.7ghz Ryzen is eons ahead of a 1.7ghz Jaguar.

So:
1. MS does not pay consumer prices like you do.
2. MS orders far more than you do, and thus can drive the price down.
3. MS doesn't need the higher clocked ones, and thus lesser quality chips can make the cut.

That is not saying MS will USE Ryzen (I don't personally think they will), but the chips certainly aren't 300 bucks a piece for them. More like 180 a 220, depending on how high the yields are.

Ms does not order Ryzen CPUs from AMD
They don't even order SOCs from AMD
They pay royalties for the AMD IP they use for their Xbox SOCs. They pay for the development and the design of the chips. They buy the SOC from the Semiconductor Foundry

That is the reason, why the price per unit for Zen vs Jaguar on the actual SOC is not really a substantial difference for MS at all. Difference is maybe $1 or $2 per SOC. Definitely below $5
Apple is paying Imagination Technologies ~30 cents per SOC to user their GPU IP

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Let's face it, it's going to happen whatever the outcome. I've got the microwavable popcorn at the ready.

It will happen. Then both sides will argue over weak first party and no japanese games and derail the thread.

I just find it annoying since i just want to talk about tech when the details drop

 

[Samurai G0SU]

You should have that looked at, that doesn't sound good.

>=D

Sounds naughty

=/

Does it go electric, wavey when you turn it on?

If so, you should see a doctor about that.

Yes it does. I am the Doctor.

FTFY

noooooooo leeh, no no no!

 

[marciocdb]

Puma is basically Jaguar at a higher clock speed

Yes I know, but better than sticking with Jaguar... At least Puma is more power efficient and they can achieve higher clocks...

 

[Elandyll]

Out of curiosity, would you guys personally prefer a Puma @ $399 or a Zen if the price had to be $499 in that case?

 

[EagleEyes]

What a strange post. It seems like you are baiting for the stupidity.

You really think its that strange? You are posting in a thread that had to be set up again by a mod because the previous one was shut down by that very thing called stupidity. Thursday is gonna be crazy entertaining lol.

 

[VincentMatts]

It will happen. Then both sides will argue over weak first party and no japanese games and derail the thread.

I just find it annoying since i just want to talk about tech when the details drop

dont forget how they dont need one cause they have a pc.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Maybe 5 bucks for the royalty, but not for the extra silicon space required. Which I would guess is more like 20 dollars or so extra.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Persona 5 hasn't been delivered for me yet so i would appreciate some leaks to get this thread back on track.

 

[op_ivy]

If MS are pushing Scorpio as an upgrade, like PS4 Pro (which seems to be the case) then I expect the CPU to be a Jaguar and GPU will probably be Polaris based, to keep the cost down as much as possible. No point spending lots of money on Zen and Vega, if it's aimed at a smaller audience, just like PS4 Pro is. I think Zen and Vega will be used on the real next gen systems (PS5 ect) as they will be cheaper for them to use then.

The extra 1.8 Tflops GPU power (over PS4 Pro) and more RAM will help run games with slightly better graphics or native 4k, with better textures ect, so games should look really good but I don't expect to be blown away by anything because PS4 Pro and PC already have great graphics and Scorpio will fall somewhere between them.

The actual games are going to be the key thing, as this is one area where MS are behind. I'm looking forward to seeing Crackdown but I would love to see more new IP's from them. Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break and ReCore might not have been massive hits and it's a shame Scalebound didn't work out but it's a step in the right direction, hopefully a few misses doesn't stop them looking for their next big hit.

The thing is, they aren't. Ps4 pro is just an upgraded ps4. Like a slim revision, only for 4k. It is not changing any of Sony's plans moving forward. Ie, there will be a console gen reset when ps5 launched.

Scorpio is not solely an upgrade to Xbox one for 4k. It is being positioned as the future of ms's "generation less" consoles. Scorpio will play Xbox one games, but also the games that come out in the future, when Scorpios own succusor is revealed. This backwards and forwards comparable game plan needs a console that is designed for the present but also mindful of the future. For this reason, unlike the pro, I just don't see jaguar as being sufficient.

 

[leeh]

noooooooo leeh, no no no!

Shhh, just embrace it, feel the feeling.

 

[In Service]

You really think its that strange? You are posting in a thread that had to be set up again by a mod because the previous one was shut down by that very thing called stupidity. Thursday is gonna be crazy entertaining lol.

This thread will not make it to Thursday.

When do we get the leaks about the leaks of the leaks?

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Shhh, just embrace it, feel the feeling.

Is that why i have sunshine in my pocket?

 

[Okami Haundo]

The thing is, they aren't. Ps4 pro is just an upgraded ps4. Like a slim revision, only for 4k. It is not changing any of Sony's plans moving forward. Ie, there will be a console gen reset when ps5 launched.

Scorpio is not solely an upgrade to Xbox one for 4k. It is being positioned as the future of ms's "generation less" consoles. Scorpio will play Xbox one games, but also the games that come out in the future, when Scorpios own succusor is revealed. This backwards and forwards comparable game plan needs a console that is designed for the present but also mindful of the future. For this reason, unlike the pro, I just don't see jaguar as being sufficient.

To be fair, we don't yet know what Sony's approach will be for PS5. Outside of that, I personally agree with your theory here. It seems that all signs point to Scorpio being the start of a new approach for Microsoft. PS4 Pro existing as it does gives them the extra challenge of needing to explain why Scorpio is different. I'm hoping they tackle that subject head-on when we get the full details.

 

[wesleyshark]

Leak something dangit

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Leak something dangit

i also have a feeling some of the insiders here know, but will not tell us because they want DF to receive the kudos. Ahem*Matt

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I'm not saying the game is perfect nor I'm dissing all reviews. Just the ones that completely trash on the game for so little. Like the giant bomb review that gave it an 4.

The negative reviews were bullshit. It's one of the best games Remedy has ever made, and one of the best action games in years.

Oh, and the story and characters were awesome.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Microsoft are still going to have to drop the OG XB1 though when true next gen comes, it just wont be powerful enough.

That gives them the option of maybe continuing with Scorpio + next gen Xbox, but there's no guarantee that will happen. It could be much easier to just have a clean break from the 'One Family', same as Sony will most likely do. Except retain full back compat going forward.

Just because MS has said 'end of generations' doesn't mean it's true. At least not fully.

 

[Interfectum]

It's time to leak some stuff insiders. New console info/rumors is your time to shine, don't miss this opportunity!

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

We all hope for Zen or at least a improvement over Jaguar that Xbox One has. But how significant would the differences be and likely what will benefit the most? Framerate? It's of course up to developers but this could mean the difference between 30 and 60fps?

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Out of curiosity, would you guys personally prefer a Puma @ $399 or a Zen if the price had to be $499 in that case?

Got $1800 set aside exclusively for Scorpio and Scorpio related purchases. I'm ready.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Some people didn't like QB and that is okay.

It isn't the end of the world

 

[BeforeU]

Got $1800 set aside exclusively for Scorpio and Scorpio related purchases. I'm ready.

but why lol with that kind of money you can build a beasty rig that will last you many many years

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

We all hope for Zen or at least a improvement over Jaguar that Xbox One has. But how significant would the differences be and likely what will benefit the most? Framerate? It's of course up to developers but this could mean the difference between 30 and 60fps?

Well that's the thing. Most console games are not going to be 60fps, especially at ~4K. Which in itself lowers the need for a much better CPU.

The Jaguar can do 30fps all day long. The GPU will be doing the bulk of the work, which we know is vastly improved.

 

[franklyshankly]

Got $1800 set aside exclusively for Scorpio and Scorpio related purchases. I'm ready.

For that money you can get a PC that will destroy a Scorpio and will play all its exclusives. Why wait?

 

[wesleyshark]

Got $1800 set aside exclusively for Scorpio and Scorpio related purchases. I'm ready.

Lol

 

[Xumbrega]

where's ma leaks?

 

[Interfectum]

Got $1800 set aside exclusively for Scorpio and Scorpio related purchases. I'm ready.

You getting a new TV?