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Phil spencer's interview with The Guardian on Project Scorpio
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Okami Haundo
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I don't disagree with your pricing estimate, but there's no way Sony drops the PS4 Pro down to $300 by this fall. I'd also estimate $250 with pack in games is as low as we'll see either console go this fall. It's easy to bundle software, but I don't know if either company would make a profit on hardware at $200.
hanspampel
Banned
UHD is ~ $10 more than a normal Blu-Ray Drive
Vapor Chambers are not expensive at all. maybe $5 more than a normal Heatsink
http://www.quick-cool-shop.de/en/heatdiffuser/heatdiffuser-quadratic/heat-diffuser-quadratic.html
The Xbox Scorpio SoC is basically the same size as the Ps4 Pro Soc 360mm vs 35Xmm
but will be manufactured 1 year later and only 36 out of 40 shader units needs to be functional. the yield will be great
that leaves 4 more DRAM chips that really cost (50%) more
10 more for the UHD
5 more for the cooling solution
20 more for the RAM
20 less for the SOC
No
No (they talked about the SATA interface compared to the original XBox One, btw)
Crayon
Member
DF is towing the line. This is a tired old hustle.
Good to hear they are taking a realistic approach to the machine.
yes some people may scoff at what amounts to a midrange GPU and a low end CPU being called a monster and such, but the fact of the matter is that consoles hit a price to performance ratio all the time, its just a reality of the marketplace.
For what it is, it absolutely deserves the crown of strongest console ever.
yes some people may scoff at what amounts to a midrange GPU and a low end CPU being called a monster and such, but the fact of the matter is that consoles hit a price to performance ratio all the time, its just a reality of the marketplace.
For what it is, it absolutely deserves the crown of strongest console ever.
^^ winner! ^^
Obliterator
Member
I fully expect $499. $449 if they are willing to just hit break even with zero profit off of the box
Okami Haundo
Member
I get the expectations, but where does the talk of how much they'll profit come from? Has anyone done a parts breakdown yet to actually estimate the cost?
VincentMatts
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399 or 449$ is a must. More than that is absolutely useless to even release it.
Complicated
Banned
$499 is expected. I'm sure there will be plenty of weeping and gnashing of teeth when they announce the price most people expected though.
To me, as a day one supporter I was sold a more expensive product that was weaker than the competitor by a good amount. I feel regardless of how much more powerful it is than the PS4 Pro, or the original xbox one, that they need to make it up to the hardcore with this box. That's who they are selling this to. The power delta seems to be about the same as the PS4-xbox one power gap percentage (TF wise at least). Sony was able to deliver that for less money at PS4. Selling for $500 isn't going to win them any favor from me.
Kibbles
Member
My PC was only $700 a year or so ago and has a CPU that destroys Scorpio and a comparable GPU (980ti/i7 6700k)...
Comparable with a $2000 PC... lol
hanspampel
Banned
no one to take serious, sadly
i wait for IHS markit
they did the Ps4, Xbox One and Xbox One S
but they also skipped on the Ps4 Pro
but the console is not out yet, so you can't really make any reliable parts breakdown
Obliterator
Member
I mean Pro is $399 and I don't anticipate Sony make a ton of profit strictly off that box. Scorpio has a more expensive GPU, 4 more GB of RAM, a 4k Blu-ray player, and I suspect a more premium / higher cost chassis as well as more expensive cooling.
I think the $399 expectations are slightly unrealistic but who knows, maybe they really will come in at that price
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
Give me that $399 good feels, Spencer. 
Crayon
Member
Pro was 399 a year ago. By the time scorpio is here, they could drop it to at least 349. Though I'm starting to think they won't bother. May as well leave it "premium".
It's not going to do big numbers even at $399. There is the S it has to compete with. This is a targeted product, I don't think MS is expecting huge numbers.
Obliterator
Member
Yeah I mean I'm not saying it's impossible. $399 might happen. I just think it's gonna be in that $450-499 range mostly due to the fact the cost to build has to he quite a bit decently more than the Pro is.
Okami Haundo
Member
Fair enough. The only point I'd really argue against there is including the 4K Blu-ray player as a point of price markup. They already build that into the Xbox One S that sells for $250. As for the chassis, I'm not sold on the idea of getting anything too "premium". I'm expecting it to end up looking really similar to the dev kit pictures.
Either way, we'll see what happens soon enough! I'm personally hoping for $399 as that's the price I'd buy in at on day one. I also think that price has broader appeal.
I'd be really curious to see a general survey about PS4 Pro/Xbox Scorpio. It strikes me that PS4 Pro only really appeals to people who own a PS4 or don't own either console yet. Scorpio seems like it could potentially sway PS4 owners who are on the fence, as well as Xbox customers and new owners. That's all just spitballing though, I don't have data to back those ideas up.
I mean it's going to cost what it's going to cost. But if you're goal is to try to make Xbox the best place for multiplats pricing yourself out seems like an odd way to go about it. Lots of Xbox gamers here on gaf will throw down the $499 for Scorpio but outside of that, I can't really see many Xbox gamers really being excited for pay $499 for another console that plays the same games. Especially when they look across the isle and they see what PS4 is doing.
I honestly don't have a guess because I could equally see MS charged $399/$499 for this thing. But I keep looking at the specs and think, why is this thing $100 more than PS4 Pro a year later?
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Somewhere between $100 and $700 is a good bet.
My real answer is $400. More than that is suicide.
My real answer is $400. More than that is suicide.
Crayon
Member
It does have to be a significant difference. But in terms of manufacturing cost, 40 or 50 bucks is most definitely significant.
The way I see it, 399$ was the first spec they decided on for scorpio. They would have done anything needed to not go over 399.
They'll pack in a game most likely. And if it's a new one like Destiny 2 or Red Dead 2 it might as well be a $50 price drop but I'm guessing it'll be Horizon. Not a bad choice though to show off your PS4 Pro though.
VincentMatts
Member
Michael Pachter, is that you?
Where are you getting from that demand is huge? And you're on the 499$ train?
I don't even know if $399 is a mic drop moment. Here on gaf sure, but most gamers look at Scorpio like it's Xbox's PS4 Pro. $399 has kind of become the expected price for new console hardware.
Seriously. I'm going to buy regardless but if they really want to flip the script 499.99 ain't gonna do it.
Crayon
Member
Didn't you tell me you'd pay 599?
VincentMatts
Member
It would absolutely be. 399$ will have it sell like hot cakes. Add 100$ and im not sure anymore.
What a hardcore gamer would pay and what sells, are 2 different things.
If MS is serious about this being for only the hardcore, then i fully expect 499$. If their actual plan is to cut into the ps4 sales and making it a serious contender for 3rd party games "best on scorpio", then it needs to be much lower then that.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
I'm in the same boat. I'm buying 3 of them no matter what the price, but $499 isn't going to do it for the mass market.
Obliterator
Member
MS does not anticipate Scorpio being a huge seller. In fact they've stated on record they expect the S to be the main console moving forward still and to outsell Scorpio
My own appox, and yes on the 499. We shall see....
hanspampel
Banned
hype and buzz level
Gamestop surveys
long marketing campaign and awareness
compare to similar products recently released
demand is hard to estimate, make that word interest and you'll be fine
expect Scorpio to do better than Ps4 Pro, but worse than Nintendo Switch obviously
BluePigGanon
Member
Everything they say screams 450-500 to me. I'd love 399 but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Plus the mainboard, which may need more layers because of the wider bus
and the yields at that clockspeed won't be great at all, at least that's nothing you assume
That is my limit yes. Why?
Ah ok, cool. So they're definitely taking the approach Sony took with the Pro with their mid-gen refresh. Seems like they're going about this the right way, then.
Mr.Deadshot
Member
No. Look at PS3 launch and Xbox One. Price might be the most important thing to many customers. Also Xbox lineup currently simply can't compete with PS4's. Maybe E3 can change that a bit but I doubt it.
It's all part of the plan. Insinuate $499, then drop $399 bomb at E3.
I still think it shouldn't be more than $349 with that Jaguar.
It'll sell well for the first few months at $399 as hardcore Xbox gamers transfer over but remember both PS4 and Xbox One S will be priced pretty low this Holiday (maybe even hitting $199) and bundled with a game. It'll be pretty jarring to see a $199 Xbox that plays the same games as the $399 one is all.
Crayon
Member
I take it as a sign that you are over valuing the thing.