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Byron Smith convicted of premeditated murder of two teens during home break-in
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A Link to the Past
Banned
?????
So if I put food in a mouse trap, I must specifically identify the mouse that is killed for it to be a lure? If I am fishing with a fishing lure, is it not a fishing lure unless I personally went into the water, found a fish, and decided to aim for it?
I guess the "actual murderer" defense force is here
PRBoricua
Member
This case just ran on a new show which premiered with this story on the ID channel called "Hear No Evil".
I remember the initial thread about this case back in '12 and the huge riot it caused here, so when it came up I definitely wanted to watch it.
The audio is mortifying, the boy being shot is one thing, but the way he murders the girl is something you can never un-hear.
A couple of things I noticed just from seeing the CCTV tape taken from his security system and what you can hear from the audio ...
The first thing is the girl doesn't seem to be directly involved, this seems like something the boy wanted to do on his own because he enters the house somewhere around 11:35, and she doesn't come along until seven minutes to 12. I legitimately think the only thing she was doing was looking for her cousin once he took too long to return to the car. Entering his home is still a crime, however, I don't think her intent was ever to steal anything, only locate her cousin.
After he shoots the boy, he begins to clean up with the tarp & what-not, then you hear him go upstairs, going from room to room to see if anything was damaged/missing. Then you suddenly hear him, moving briskly, back down the basement stairs and getting ready to fire on the girl. I'm pretty sure he noticed the girl coming to the house from upstairs and ran back down to the basement so he could ambush her as well, instead of notifying her that her cousin was already dead and not to come any further.
Also, what's up with all the deep sighing after he shoots the girl? I'm sure a lot of adrenaline is involved, but the first thing I took away from the audio was he really, really got off on killing them.
First ballot, hall of fame psychopath.
I remember the initial thread about this case back in '12 and the huge riot it caused here, so when it came up I definitely wanted to watch it.
The audio is mortifying, the boy being shot is one thing, but the way he murders the girl is something you can never un-hear.
A couple of things I noticed just from seeing the CCTV tape taken from his security system and what you can hear from the audio ...
The first thing is the girl doesn't seem to be directly involved, this seems like something the boy wanted to do on his own because he enters the house somewhere around 11:35, and she doesn't come along until seven minutes to 12. I legitimately think the only thing she was doing was looking for her cousin once he took too long to return to the car. Entering his home is still a crime, however, I don't think her intent was ever to steal anything, only locate her cousin.
After he shoots the boy, he begins to clean up with the tarp & what-not, then you hear him go upstairs, going from room to room to see if anything was damaged/missing. Then you suddenly hear him, moving briskly, back down the basement stairs and getting ready to fire on the girl. I'm pretty sure he noticed the girl coming to the house from upstairs and ran back down to the basement so he could ambush her as well, instead of notifying her that her cousin was already dead and not to come any further.
Also, what's up with all the deep sighing after he shoots the girl? I'm sure a lot of adrenaline is involved, but the first thing I took away from the audio was he really, really got off on killing them.
First ballot, hall of fame psychopath.
holygeesus
Banned
I watched this show too, and as someone from the UK, it blows my mind that this case still divides people. We had a burglar shot with a shotgun near where I live, and the guy got away with it as it was legit self-defence, but once you've incapacitated the guy, there is no excuse for finishing him off. His fate was sealed by not calling the cops straight off. Hope the smug prick rots in hell.
CaviarMeths
Member
Holy shit. I didn't hear about this when it happened.
I read the thread title and was ready to be disappointed in a jury for finding him guilty. Then I just got more and more mortified as I read on. This is some chilling, cold-blooded shit. Straight psychopath.
I read the thread title and was ready to be disappointed in a jury for finding him guilty. Then I just got more and more mortified as I read on. This is some chilling, cold-blooded shit. Straight psychopath.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
It's clearly premeditated murder. I'm glad the jury made the correct decision. Guy is a fucking monster.
SJurgenson
Banned
Reading back through the thread, it really is amazing the defense force that appeared.
It's clear the guy literally lied in wait, ambushed them, and made no attempt to to anything 'defensive' -- he literally (premeditatively) murdered the intruders.
There's a difference between defending your self or your property, and straight murder -- and this is a clear case of the murder side of things.
Yeah this fuck parked his car down the street. Sick bastard. He should be tortured. Not just thrown in a cell.
Widdle Puppy
Banned
Wow this guy is an absolute lunatic. What is he expected to be sentenced to serve? This guy is legitimately dangerous and should get life in prison.
tearsintherain
Member
He was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. He will die in jail.
This is you projecting.
FF Seraphim
Member
Yeah, holy shit this guy is a fucking psychopath. Hearing the audio recording... god damn... no reason for him to kill them at all...
wesleyshark
Banned
Agreed. This guy crossed well beyond the line.
Glad to see he'll be locked up for the rest of his life.
It kind of sounds like you don't think what he did was wrong.
SJurgenson
Banned
Nope. That's now how it works.
You might as well argue that if someone breaks into my home, I can enslave and torture them until they die. They've lost all right to life -- what rights are left after that? Nothing -- so anything is now fair game!
Your statement is monstrous and disgusting on its face. You don't get to premeditatively murder a couple of people just because they broke into your home. There's no philosophical argument that links this sort of murder to the idea of defending yourself or your property.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
ryutaro's mama
Member
It's like Jason Bateman knew, in that moment, he was making a perfect reaction gif.
OG Shaka Zulu
Member
Had it been two Somalian teens I wonder how the jury would have voted.
Definitely not but jail is too easy
sankt-Antonio
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Isn't everyone who buys a gun for home defense "prepared" for murder?
Messed up guy and messed up laws that make people think shooting someone over petty belongings is a good idea.
Messed up guy and messed up laws that make people think shooting someone over petty belongings is a good idea.
SJurgenson
Banned
The entire reason you are judging him is because he violated the laws and social norms we've constructed around self defense and home defense.
Do you not see why it's hypocritical and dumb to advocate violating the laws and social norms of punishment because those laws/norms are 'too easy on him'?
what the fuck is this shit? I own several guns and would never dream of using them on another person. Stop generalizing. Most people own guns because its fun to shoot skeet, or target practice.
Oh bullshit.
what is wrong with you?
Do you really think most people own their guns for skeet shooting?
SecretMoblin
Member
Reasonable defense of your person isn't "murder" even outside the U.S. The difference between actual home defense cases and this is that if someone breaks into your home you can't assume they're unarmed, not dangerous, and are just going to take a few worthless belongings and leave, especially if they hear/find you awake. It's entirely defensive.
What this dude did was prepare, ambush, and murder.
My brother and father both defended this guy and said they don't see anything wrong with what he did. Both extreme 2nd amendment supporters
Damn those 2 supporters prove that everyone thinks that way!
lightskintwin
Banned
That audio was terrifying how the teen theifs were unknowingly walking into their own execution. Dude sounded like he felt like an action hero in a movie.
Yup. Self defense only covered the first shot to the girl that sent her down the stairs. The other 5 shots were unnecessary to disable the target and were thus murder.
PRBoricua
Member
Not only that, dude's spouting one-liners while he's doing it. "You're dying!" And "oh, sorry about that" when his rifle jams.
WTF is wrong with you?
That's BAIT.GIF
Many people own weapons for skeet shooting or hunting. Some are collectors. Some people do buy guns for self-defense. There is more than one reason to own a gun.
Then your brother and father are both wrong. That coming from another 2nd amendment supporter.
Exactly.
If this had been a case where they broke in and he shot them in panic then I'd defend him. But, he lured them in and planned for the event. Dude deserves to be in jail.
CambriaRising
Member
You're an idiot if you believe this.
holygeesus
Banned
The most chilling part for me, apart from the obvious, was how he cleaned away the blood from the first murder, then proceeded to put a rug over the stain, so as the girl wouldn't see it when walking down the stairs. It also blows my mind how he actually gave her two finishing shots while she was down, one in the eye, because she was 'twitching'. The way he conducts himself during the police interview too? Wow.
OG Shaka Zulu
Member
It does. He had total control of the situation and could have held them up at gunpoint and called the police. The killings were unnecessary, especially the second one.
Hickbilly Deluxe
Banned
Yah, we're all bloodthirsty savages that spend hours every day fantasizing about blowing someone away....
Get real.
everyone i know that has a shotgun does, yes. Having it at the house in the extremely unlikely change you need it. But that was not what the poster i quoted stated, he stated its a secrete dream of gun owners to kill someone. Speaking as a gun owner myself, i have 0 interest in killing someone, justified or not.
both. This person had no intention of stopping the robberies in a legal way. He could have easily called the cops after telling them to sit down on the floor while holding them at gun point.
The only reason to shoot someone breaking into your home is if they attack you or your family.
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