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[GhostTrick]

Show me someone who actually says stuff like this outside of your head canon.



The gallery is still in there, this just adds new sets to them.

Yeah; and before, you'd unlock additionnal sets by beating the game faster. Not anymore.
Amiibo is good as a "unlock immediatly" thing. But this ? This is straigth up bullshit. Heck, how can you even dare to argue about it, when you were so sure Fusion mode wouldn't be locked behind Amiibo ?

 

[Wulfram]

Which other developers have put hard modes behind DLC? Any examples?

Dragon Age Inquisition included some challenge modes in the final DLC.

 

[Petrae]

I wonder if the fusion mode and ingame unlockable hard mode are identical.

From the article linked in the OP:

Correction 5:38 am: The post has been updated to make it clearer that Fusion Mode is even harder than the unlockable hard mode

 

[nicolasacmf]

Come on, dude. Don't act all superior just because you don't care, the outrage is not needless.

Not trying to act superior at all, I just don't see the point in getting mad over so little.

Not mad just disappointed that more and more content seems to be locked behind overpriced toys and some are somehow defending this or are willingly pretending that they dont understand why people are displeased.

How is this "more and more content"? This is pretty minimal, specially considering hard mode is already available in the game.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

What specifically about the fusion hard mode are people upset about missing or needing to buy an amiibo for?

Its an entire difficulty setting locked behind a rare plastic figure

That it could potentially be harder than regular hard mode.

And if it's not?

Then they'll complain about sound test and art gallery content being amiibo locked.

This mode, which is confusingly separate from the Fusion Mode's harder difficulty, is said to be harder than the standard difficulty but not as hard as that found in Fusion Mode.

FOR FUCKS SAKE, fusion mode is essentially very hard mode. read the article in the OP

 

[Madame M]

Which is something I didn't do. I was countering your assertion, not making one of my own.

I never made any such assertions

 

[Lunafreya Nox Fleuret]

So pretty much you can have the hardest mode if you pay but we already have a hard mode. What?

 

[greenhadoken]

Maybe the entire game wouldn't be possible without the profit Nintendo have made on amiibos, wow think about it. The hole reason we get a new 2D Metroid might be because of amiibos.

I know you're being sarcastic, but it's very clearly due to demand for Metroid, Reggie has said so himself. Is it really that far fetched to believe the mode was made for amiibo? Has my fanboyism totally blinded me? Nintendo has a LOT of problems, this just seems so far down the list to me, I especially don't think it warrants the crazy negative attitude so many of you have in this thread!

 

[Scrawnton]

Its an entire difficulty setting locked behind a rare plastic figure







FOR FUCKS SAKE, fusion mode is essentially very hard mode. read the article in the OP

I did read the OP and nothing in it tells me fusion mode is a harder mode than hard mode. Even if it is, it's not a huge deal. But I also don't mind most amiibo functionality or dlc in general.

 

[Silent_Ocarina]

I'm not entirely convinced Fusion Mode would be a thing without Amiibo. I've always thought it was something added to give the Amiibo value, not something that was created without regards to Amiibo and then locked behind the Amiibo retroactively. That's just my thought, anyway.

Best thing for Nintendo to do is at least allow it to be purchased separately without the Amiibo, but they probably won't.

 

[LordRaptor]

I never made any such assertions

Then I misread this post:

I look at this as "this content wouldn't exist without this toy".

Not true but whatever helps you justify your plastic figurine purchase I guess

 

[Fancolors]

Just lemme buy this on the eshop, goddamn. I don't care about cosmetics, I just like replaying these games a lot.

Amiibos can get ridiculously overpriced in my country and this feels like a "fuck you" for anyone who owns an O3DS.

 

[jello44]

I did read the OP and nothing in it tells me fusion mode is a harder mode than hard mode. Even if it is, it's not a huge deal. But I also don't mind most amiibo functionality or dlc in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIOvD1-DJ_Y&t=4m30s

He says it's "even harder" than hard mode.

This doesn't need to be STRICTLY tied to amiibo, even more so when it is tied to one that will be incredibly hard to find AND only the N3DS has the option to scan them.

FFS just make people download it for $5 if they want.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

I did read the OP and nothing in it tells me fusion mode is a harder mode than hard mode. Even if it is, it's not a huge deal. But I also don't mind most amiibo functionality or dlc in general.

read the article....

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Which other developers have put hard modes behind DLC? Any examples?

Well, Sonic 06 had a Very Hard mode as DLC. So the practice is over a decade old at this point.

 

[nicolasacmf]

I'm not entirely convinced Fusion Mode would be a thing without Amiibo. I've always thought it was something added to give the Amiibo value, not something that was created without regards to Amiibo and then locked behind the Amiibo retroactively. That's just my thought, anyway.

Best thing for Nintendo to do is at least allow it to be purchased separately without the Amiibo, but they probably won't.

Exactly my thoughts, and that's why I don't think this is as big a deal as people are making it out to be.

 

[zelas]

Nintendo can come out and say that the Amiibo will only unlock Fusion Hard Mode 10 that comes after the 10 normal Hard Modes and 99 Fusion Hard Modes and people would still find reasons to complain.

I get that it may seem shitty but come on. Any other developer would put both Hard Modes behind a pay wall DLC.

A lot of posters here love making up the most blatantly false bullshit when they need to defend Nintendo.

Just a month or two ago Guerrilla released a new difficulty mode for Horizon Zero Dawn for free. Even Bethesda, who is leading the charge when it comes to the anti consumer practice of selling content that's normally free, still managed to give players a free survival mode for Fallout 4.

 

[Madame M]

Then I misread this post:

You must have, and it's true, the content exists independent of the toy. The content needs to be loaded onto the toy to function.

 

[Spieler Eins]

Just lemme buy this on the eshop, goddamn. I don't care about cosmetics, I just like replaying these games a lot.

Amiibos can get ridiculously overpriced in my country and this feels like a "fuck you" for anyone who owns an O3DS.

Man, I keep forgetting that most people can't even scan that goddamn thing. We shouldn't be repeating "15$". I.e. that's really misleading, since for most people it would be twice as much (to unlock only that one part of the on catridge DLC... ),

 

[LordRaptor]

You must have, and it's true, the content exists independent of the toy. The content needs to be loaded onto the toy to function.

The projected sales of the toy fund the content being made in the first place.

This is how all DLC works.
DLC has been around for so long now I don't know why people think developers are finishing a game with time to spare then going "Hmmm, what can we chop out and sell as dlc then?"

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Nintendo has me by the balls. That being said, this doesn't bother me at all. People look at this as locking extra content away, and I look at this as "this content wouldn't exist without this toy". As someone who is really excited to have this toy on my shelf, I think it is very cool that this toy functions as more than just a neat display, and I think it's cool that the toy gives me more than just skins or other crap I don't care about in the game.

You should have a problem for not simply offering as DLC on the eShop then. Why can't they offer both? It's utter shite that they are tying content to a finite resource, for an object you might not necessarily want. The DLC sales can fund said content too. This logic makes no sense.

 

[xmajinjoshx]

The Fusion Suit and a separate difficulty mode is not cosmetic.

You aren't offering a solution, you just want to be angry.

Take away your Super Extreme Dark Souls Hard Mode boner away, and all you have is cosmetics. Did you even read my post? Solutions are there. I'm far from angry buddy. I'm absolutely ecstatic that Metroid is back. I planned on buying the Amiibo, and had them pre-ordered before their functionalities were even announced because I love the series. It's everyone who is griping who doesn't want a solution.

 

[Spieler Eins]

The projected sales of the toy fund the content being made in the first place.

This is how all DLC works.
DLC has been around for so long now I don't know why people think developers are finishing a game with time to spare then going "Hmmm, what can we chop out and sell as dlc then?"

This is one of the biggest problems in this whole affair though. It's a 3DS 240p remake. We aren't talking about some crazy AAA production involving 1k employees, where publishers might legitimately need some of these awful practices to break even. In fact, 3DS games didn't have a problem being made feature-full before Amiibo and DLC. Nintendo should be happy that people are willing to still pay 40 bucks for 3DS games in 2017, not try to milk them with ridiculously overpriced figurine modes.

 

[RootCause]

Take away your Super Extreme Dark Souls Hard Mode boner away, and all you have is cosmetics. Did you even read my post? Solutions are there. I'm far from angry buddy. I'm absolutely ecstatic that Metroid is back. I planned on buying the Amiibo, and had them pre-ordered before their functionalities were even announced because I love the series. It's everyone who is griping who doesn't want a solution.

When did it become okay to attack people because they like hard modes? Seriously, some people just want to replay the game, and upping the difficulty is one way of spicing things up.

 

[Madame M]

The projected sales of the toy fund the content being made in the first place.

This is how all DLC works.
DLC has been around for so long now I don't know why people think developers are finishing a game with time to spare then going "Hmmm, what can we chop out and sell as dlc then?"

I certainly don't think that, but I can see why people would think that in this case since it's all coming on day 1.

And yes, projected sales of DLC funds DLC. Projected sales of games funds games. None of this justifies the existence of needless plastic to commemorate such meaningful consumer transactions.

 

[greenhadoken]

You should have a problem for not simply offering as DLC on the eShop then. Why can't they offer both? It's utter shite that they are tying content to a finite resource, for an object you might not necessarily want. The DLC sales can fund said content too. This logic makes no sense.

Yeah you're right they could offer it on the eshop, but I don't think that discredits the fact that this possibly exists due to the amiibo. I feel like they had the mock ups for the amiibo, sat in a meeting and said, what can we offer with this? Someone said "well we added hard mode in TP, we could do that again, that way people can't complain about amiibo only offering cosmetic changes. Oh and add the fusion suit too". The decision to add it to the eshop would've came later. I don't know, again I don't think that's too far fetched a thought. It would be cool if they added it to the eshop as well like a lot of you are suggesting.

I think if anything, this brings up a bigger question of what amiibo should be used for. It seems as if skins aren't enough for most, but this has clearly crossed the line for a lot of you. I like this idea of also offering the content as DLC as an alternative to amiibo, it seems most would be happy with that solution

Edit: Like if could've bought the BOTW DLC in the form of a giant Bokoblin plushie for $5 more than the normal price, I would've done that

 

[TheMoon]

sounds more like Fusion Mode is Hard Mode with a different skin.

Fusion mode is harder than hard mode. How has the OP not been updated with the correction yet.

Correction 5:38 am: The post has been updated to make it clearer that Fusion Mode is even harder than the unlockable hard mode

I did read the OP and nothing in it tells me fusion mode is a harder mode than hard mode. Even if it is, it's not a huge deal. But I also don't mind most amiibo functionality or dlc in general.

The actual article, not the excerpt in the OP.

 

[Miniature Kaiju]

Locking game content behind an overpriced, low-quality, scarce toy is still bullshit, regardless of the game having a normal hard mode.

 

[TheMoon]

Locking game content behind an overpriced, low-quality, scarce toy is still bullshit, regardless of the game having a normal hard mode.

you've not actually seen it, have you?

 

[Type40]

Locking game content behind an overpriced, low-quality, scarce toy is still bullshit, regardless of the game having a normal hard mode.

Way to invalidate your argument, buddy. Compared to other nintendo based toys in the scale(specifically the ones by Jakks) the Nintendo produced ones are fairly high quality.

 

[Miniature Kaiju]

you've not actually seen it, have you?

I've seen enough Amiibo to know they're pretty low-quality toys with bad modelling and shit paint jobs, yes.

Way to invalidate your argument, buddy. Compared to other nintendo based toys in the scale(specifically the ones by Jakks) the Nintendo produced ones are fairly high quality.

The fact that there's shit of even lower quality doesn't make it any less bad.

 

[LordRaptor]

This is one of the biggest problems in this whole affair though. It's a 3DS 240p remake. We aren't talking about some crazy AAA production involving 1k employees, where publishers might legitimately need some of these awful practices to break even. In fact, 3DS games didn't have a problem being made feature-full before Amiibo and DLC. Nintendo should be happy that people are willing to still pay 40 bucks for 3DS games in 2017, not try to milk them with ridiculously overpriced figurine modes.

You're asking why a new entry in a franchise with historically low sales and presumed dead in a genre nintendo have obviously not considered commercially viable for years and heavily contested at much lower price points and is probably being greenlit primarily as a 'for the fans' release than expectations of being a sales juggernaut is coming out the gate with fan service dlc?

 

[SmokedMeat]

The projected sales of the toy fund the content being made in the first place.

This is how all DLC works.
DLC has been around for so long now I don't know why people think developers are finishing a game with time to spare then going "Hmmm, what can we chop out and sell as dlc then?"

Yeah, need all those toy sales for a sound test and difficulty mode.

 

[Madame M]

You're asking why a new entry in a franchise with historically low sales and presumed dead in a genre nintendo have obviously not considered commercially viable for years and heavily contested at much lower price points and is probably being greenlit primarily as a 'for the fans' release than expectations of being a sales juggernaut is coming out the gate with fan service dlc?

Fan service? More like fan gouging!

 

[Ban Puncher]

Amiibos suck - they don't do anything in games.

Amiibos suck - they do too much in games.

 

[dan2026]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at people defending this.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

The projected sales of the toy fund the content being made in the first place.

This is how all DLC works.
DLC has been around for so long now I don't know why people think developers are finishing a game with time to spare then going "Hmmm, what can we chop out and sell as dlc then?"

Except, this happens all the time with content that's already on the disc and locked behind a paywall.

 

[Jarsonot]

Amiibos can get ridiculously overpriced in my country and this feels like a "fuck you" for anyone who owns an O3DS.

This is my biggest problem with it right here.

 

[Metfanant]

Good news this should calm down people alot.

how is this "good news?" lol

 

[Team Filler]

how is this "good news?" lol

Maybe it was "good news" like so:

 

[Prototype Viktor]

So Fusion Mode is even harder than Hard Mode?

God damn it.

Macrotransaction!

 

[Madame M]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at people defending this.

whynotboth.gif

 

[Skittzo0413]

how is this "good news?" lol

Because previously people thought Fusion Mode was the only hard mode? Now we have confirmation that there will be a hard mode accessible without an Amiibo, that can only be good news.

Now the Fusion Mode stuff is still annoying as hell but that doesn't stop the hard mode's confirmation from being good news...

 

[13ruce]

how is this "good news?" lol

Yeah i did not intend the comment in that way lol a few pages later i writed something better up.

 

[TheMoon]

I've seen enough Amiibo to know they're pretty low-quality toys with bad modelling and shit paint jobs, yes.

So no then.

 

[Merchandise]

And if it's not?

Well, it is. Randomly watched the KF preview and the Nintendo rep says it's a hard mode harder than the one you unlock naturally.

 

[TheMoon]

Well, it is. Randomly watched the KF preview and the Nintendo rep says it's a hard mode harder than the one you unlock naturally.

I wish OP would care about their thread and update it with this bit finally so people could stop asking.

 

[CartridgeBlower]

Good news this should calm down people alot.

I love that this is the first post. Amazing. Not to mention the Splatoon avatar. Couldn't have written it better.

 

[13ruce]

I love that this is the first post. Amazing. Not to mention the Splatoon avatar. Couldn't have written it better.

If you read a few pages father i explained it a bit better and yeah that post was dumb.

I am also against the hard mode behind amiibo lock but what i wanted to post was that atleast the game has it's own hard mode too and not just easy and normal.

Still that does not justify locking difficulity modes behind amiibo or dlc. And i still find that crappy too. I found it dumb with TPHD and BotW and i find it dumb now too.

Yeah that first post was dumb of me (i was just out of bed lol) but don't try to put me as a Nintendo fanboy cuz i ain't i own platforms/games of all kinds and enjoy them equally not just Nintendo.

 

[xmajinjoshx]

When did it become okay to attack people because they like hard modes? Seriously, some people just want to replay the game, and upping the difficulty is one way of spicing things up.

And people are getting a hard mode without the need for an Amiibo. Wanna make it harder? Play on hard collecting the bare minimum, and don't use the melee attack. Create ways to make it hard for yourself to create that challenge. The problem here is the fact that people were only griping because they thought that the Amiibo was the only way play play on hard. Now that's been debunked, people are essentially griping over their extra hard mode boners and cosmetics. Want it that bad? Then buy the Amiibo or borrow a friend's.