Ugh this whole ugly event has brought out some gross behavior out of people online.
Time to cut ties with more people on social media.
How evil would you have to be to make a meme image out of someone murdered by a nazi?
Ugh this whole ugly event has brought out some gross behavior out of people online.
Time to cut ties with more people on social media.
This guy's a moron and is probably lying at some points. Liberals hate the phrase "All Lives Matter", not buying that someone would show up to this vigil for someone that died fighting white supremacy with a shirt that says that.https://twitter.com/copcemetery/status/896947418536792064
Thread from a self-described Marxist about a vigil for Heather he went to. Wondering what you guys think.
He makes some valid points, but I feel like this type of attitude turns people off from the DSA and similar groups. I'm solidly to the left, but this type of intense criticism of neoliberals/center-left people kinda rubs me the wrong way. It's better to educate than condemn IMO.
https://twitter.com/copcemetery/status/896947418536792064
Thread from a self-described Marxist about a vigil for Heather he went to. Wondering what you guys think.
He makes some valid points, but I feel like this type of attitude turns people off from the DSA and similar groups. I'm solidly to the left, but this type of intense criticism of neoliberals/center-left people kinda rubs me the wrong way. It's better to educate than condemn IMO.
"Line 'em up against a wall" and what...start executing them for standing in the way of the progress that he wants to see take place?
Boy howdy does that sound familiar. Hate is a circle, people. This rant reads like someone damn near finished the trip around.
I don't see Nazis opening fire on antifa or vise versa tbh. I see lots of fighting in the streets and the police sitting on the sideline for sure tho. The next few rallies the fascists put on will be telling tho. As my wife and I were watching the coverage this weekend she suggested we buy a few guns for protection. In all the time we've known each other I would never have imagined her saying that and I can't even say she's wrong for suggesting it.This was the flash-point these cretins wanted. Expect gunfire from these assholes, and a concerted effort to claim that it's simply self-defense against a violent AtiFA.
The dam is broken, we all must prepare for the deluge.
Wishing something bad would happen to them is not the same thing as assaulting them. It saddens me how many folks here and elsewhere are willing to lower their standards to satiate some stupid blood lust. The principles we on the left clung to (rightfully) a week ago are suddenly gone for so many ppl. It's a pathetic way to respond to what happened imho.
The appropriate response should be to enforce hate speech laws to the letter and throw the book at ppl who engage in it. Even if that hate speech is anti-Nazi, btw. Threatening ppl due to their beliefs is not ok just because you really, REALLY hate the people you target and believe they are subhuman.
White supremacy is not a nation with soldiers. It is an idea and you can't eradicate ideas with violence. You have to work to marginalize those ideas within society. Push for tougher hate speech laws and push for their strict enforcement.
https://twitter.com/copcemetery/status/896947418536792064
Thread from a self-described Marxist about a vigil for Heather he went to. Wondering what you guys think.
He makes some valid points, but I feel like this type of attitude turns people off from the DSA and similar groups. I'm solidly to the left, but this type of intense criticism of neoliberals/center-left people kinda rubs me the wrong way. It's better to educate than condemn IMO.
This person isn't a very good Marxist.
Watch this real quick: https://youtu.be/UDjKF-ovH90?t=60
In case anyone is too lazy to click the link, the Nazi gentleman in the video says:
Our republican values are:
1) standing up for local white identity
2) the free market
3) killing jews
So we're not talking about lowering standards and we're not talking about blood lust. We're talking about self-defense. We have a White House that just took the KKK and Neo-Nazis off the government's terror watch list. We have state governments proposing legislation that would literally cripple future protest efforts. Half of republicans are OK with postponing elections.
Your principles have to change when the law is not on your side and the majority of the people have already expressed apathy towards your existence being threatened.
I'm not asking you to take up arms. I'm asking you to stop guilt tripping people who want to fight for their existence. If you don't think the threat is real enough, good for you, I hope you live long and have a happy life.
You should know that Nazis took their time, decades, getting into power in Germany and it wasn't until it was too late that people - mostly stupid, principled liberals - realized what needed to be done to stop them, but by then it was too late. Do you really wanna wait? You really wanna assume it can't happen here? Because this country is REALLY fucking good at not learning lessons from it's own history or history abroad.
Posted? Terrorist denied bail.
The Associated Press‏ @AP 1m1 minute ago
BREAKING: Bail denied for Ohio man accused of ramming car into crowd of Charlottesville protesters and killing 1 woman.
James Alex Fields was denied bail as he was arraigned for second-degree murder, three counts of malicious wounding and one count of hit and run.
In court - Joel Gunter, BBC News, Charlottesville
James Alex Fields looked nervous and listless on the small monitor in the corner of the courtroom. Mostly he kept his head down, his eyes darting occasionally up towards the camera.
He was wearing a striped jumpsuit and had the neat, buzzcut hairstyle favoured by many white supremacists and neo-nazis who have united under the banner of the so-called "alt-right".
Judge Robert Downer read his charges - one count of murder, one count of hit and run, three counts of malicious wounding.
Alex Fields spoke briefly to say he was employed by Securitas and Omni Ohio, could not afford a lawyer, and had no ties to Charlottesville. Judge Downer denied him bail, and revealed he could not be appointed a public defender because someone in the public defender's office was directly affected by the crime.
His appointed lawyer, Charles Webster, named in court by the judge, had yet to be contacted to inform him of his latest client.
I guess it speaks for itself if they can't even defend it anymore and just close their eyes.Very hard not to go off on the Trump supporter in my office right now. Talking about the events of the weekend being insignificant and downplaying the racism displayed. "I haven't been paying attention, we don't listen to any of the bad parts of the news." Yep, typical Trumper.
My point somehow flew right over your head. Re-read the post of mine you replied to please. Digest it before responding.
What I was saying is that the principles the left cherishes are far more fickle than I assumed. An example might help. During the campaign when Trump had goons at rallies beat up anti-Trumpers, we (hopefully) all condemend the actions. Why? Because simply disagreeing with political matters is NOT sufficient excuse to beat or assault ppl. Since Saturday, that principle has been almost completely ignored. On what grounds? You don't like what the Nazis are saying.
For those of us who actually hold principles close to our hearts (and heads), that is a pathetic response to the violence we saw on Saturday. We have laws in place specifically for this type of thing and many on the left want to abandon our most primal principles related to how laws should be respected just for the sake of venting some violent aggression. If someone is being beaten, they have a right to self defense and others around them have a right to step in to protect ppl. But assaulting ppl outright is cowardice and naive.
And no, it wasn't 'principled liberals' who allowed Nazism to take hold in Germany. Nor is anyone suggesting we should assume that cannot happen here. You are simply making shit up now to fill the gap in your argument. See my example about Malcolm X vs MLK from earlier. Ya might learn something.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Tip to anyone clicking this: Delete this from your youtube history before you get hit by all this redpill bs on your front page. You can't watch anything related to this without getting a bunch of trash.
People like you will lead to the total destruction of civilisation as we know it. Mark my words you lot will end it.My point somehow flew right over your head. Re-read the post of mine you replied to please. Digest it before responding.
What I was saying is that the principles the left cherishes are far more fickle than I assumed. An example might help. During the campaign when Trump had goons at rallies beat up anti-Trumpers, we (hopefully) all condemend the actions. Why? Because simply disagreeing with political matters is NOT sufficient excuse to beat or assault ppl. Since Saturday, that principle has been almost completely ignored. On what grounds? You don't like what the Nazis are saying.
For those of us who actually hold principles close to our hearts (and heads), that is a pathetic response to the violence we saw on Saturday. We have laws in place specifically for this type of thing and many on the left want to abandon our most primal principles related to how laws should be respected just for the sake of venting some violent aggression. If someone is being beaten, they have a right to self defense and others around them have a right to step in to protect ppl. But assaulting ppl outright is cowardice and naive.
And no, it wasn't 'principled liberals' who allowed Nazism to take hold in Germany. Nor is anyone suggesting we should assume that cannot happen here. You are simply making shit up now to fill the gap in your argument. See my example about Malcolm X vs MLK from earlier. Ya might learn something.
I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the BBC or any other domestic news since the UK General Election since they're all crap, but they're usually pretty good at documenting things outside our borders. What are they saying?
How've they been doing it? Haven't followed much UK or US news, Gaf has actually done a great job and keeping me up on this.
Like the Zelda reference
On topic: Roughly how long can we expect the court case to take? I'm not that familiar with the American system.
He'll be fired. Can shoot someone where it's not justified and be fine but can't say anything racist. That'll get ya fired everytime.
A couple of years. James Holmes was the guy who shot up a theater in Colorado at the batman (TDKR) movie premiere in July 2012. He was arrested shortly thereafter, the trial started April 27, 2015 and he was sentenced in August 2015 (to 12 life sentences). So 2-3 years is the average.
Whats REALLY interesting is that so far he has only been charged with SECOND degree murder, which is murder with malice but not planned/premeditated. First degree murder is considered planned. I wonder what the prosecutors have that make them think he didn't go to the Rally intent on killing someone. The charges can change over time as the detectives go through the evidence.
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Im really starting to enjoy just how pussy some of you posters are about defending your own personal rights.
Wanna tell everyone else to stop fighting for themselves because you all would piss your pants waiting for cops to arrive if something popped off and you had to defend yourselves.
And before you quote me, this is my opinion and my freedom of speech so how about you defend my opinions you motherfuckers.
Some of y'all are trash.
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My point somehow flew right over your head. Re-read the post of mine you replied to please. Digest it before responding.
This is gross and shows you don't understand what hate speech laws are actually for.Wishing something bad would happen to them is not the same thing as assaulting them. It saddens me how many folks here and elsewhere are willing to lower their standards to satiate some stupid blood lust. The principles we on the left clung to (rightfully) a week ago are suddenly gone for so many ppl. It's a pathetic way to respond to what happened imho.
The appropriate response should be to enforce hate speech laws to the letter and throw the book at ppl who engage in it. Even if that hate speech is anti-Nazi, btw. Threatening ppl due to their beliefs is not ok just because you really, REALLY hate the people you target and believe they are subhuman.
White supremacy is not a nation with soldiers. It is an idea and you can't eradicate ideas with violence. You have to work to marginalize those ideas within society. Push for tougher hate speech laws and push for their strict enforcement.
Here is a CNN interview with Marissa Blair.
It's okay don't be ashamed allow yourself a little hate, I really hate hate haters
Hatred is not so bad when directed at injustice and evil doers
You can turn the other cheek, but don't turn the other way indifference is our biggest threat
Enemy of the planet we finally have a common cause a catalyst
A reason to forget about our differences and stand as a united front it's up to us
To expose and humiliate the Errorists, American Errorists, we'll start with one
I know just the one, the war has just begun
Not sure if this story has been posted yet.
Remember this picture:
In the center, there is 26-year-old Marcus Martin. When he saw the car speeding towards them, he pushed his fiancee, Marissa Blair out of the way, saving her. As you can see from the picture, his leg is broken and he's in mid air after being struck.
Here is him and his fiancee at the Heather Heyer memorial wearing memorial shirts.
Here is the Heather Heyer memorial.
Here is a CNN interview with Marissa Blair.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/0...from-car-by-fiance-charlottesville-newday.cnn
My point somehow flew right over your head. Re-read the post of mine you replied to please. Digest it before responding.
What I was saying is that the principles the left cherishes are far more fickle than I assumed. An example might help. During the campaign when Trump had goons at rallies beat up anti-Trumpers, we (hopefully) all condemend the actions. Why? Because simply disagreeing with political matters is NOT sufficient excuse to beat or assault ppl. Since Saturday, that principle has been almost completely ignored. On what grounds? You don't like what the Nazis are saying.
For those of us who actually hold principles close to our hearts (and heads), that is a pathetic response to the violence we saw on Saturday. We have laws in place specifically for this type of thing and many on the left want to abandon our most primal principles related to how laws should be respected just for the sake of venting some violent aggression. If someone is being beaten, they have a right to self defense and others around them have a right to step in to protect ppl. But assaulting ppl outright is cowardice and naive.
And no, it wasn't 'principled liberals' who allowed Nazism to take hold in Germany. Nor is anyone suggesting we should assume that cannot happen here. You are simply making shit up now to fill the gap in your argument. See my example about Malcolm X vs MLK from earlier. Ya might learn something.
"Line 'em up against a wall" and what...start executing them for standing in the way of the progress that he wants to see take place?
Boy howdy does that sound familiar. Hate is a circle, people. This rant reads like someone damn near finished the trip around.