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[Turk1993]

Here is the bug that i was talking about. Some cars wheels have no shaders in the inner side of the wheels and on some cars its completely white. Just look at this benz, you can see that the outer part of the wheel has silver silver color while the inside of the spikes ar white.

Same thing happens with the Ford GT also, its bugged the paint doesn't even apply to it. And for whatever reason, DLSS don't work in the garage and homespace.

 

[Senua]

Here is the bug that i was talking about. Some cars wheels have no shaders in the inner side of the wheels and on some cars its completely white. Just look at this benz, you can see that the outer part of the wheel has silver silver color while the inside of the spikes ar white.

Same thing happens with the Ford GT also, its bugged the paint doesn't even apply to it. And for whatever reason, DLSS don't work in the garage and homespace.

Yes man wheels looks SO damn bad in this game. DLSS makes sense not working in the homespace, I use DLAA and the homespace cars still look really aliased

You know I was just watching some gameplay of Horizon 5 with the Mk8 golf R and was thinking...this looks so much better than Forza Motorsport as a cohesive whole, the game just looks lovely and....right

 

[SABRE220]

FM Gameplay XSX quality mode

The first image looks very nice with the light bounce but the rest of the images ...not very flattering.

 

[Turk1993]

Someone posted a comparison of pc vs xbox and i saw some thing where i was scratching my head. The visual mode on Series X has sometimes more trees, grass and foliage than the pc version in his comparison. I need to check out this myself to be sure, maybe the pc version has bugged grass and trees. FFS Turn 10 you had one job, more work for me i guess.

Just look at the grass, trees and foliage, where the fuck is it in the pc version.

 

[Monad]

You guys can argue all day about FM vs GT7, but only the GOAT has the Nissan Tsuru, the rest doesn't matter.

 

[Turk1993]

FFS Turn 10

 

[sendit]

FFS Turn 10

PC version is riddled with visual inconsistency and stupid bugs like this...

 

[Turk1993]

PC version is riddled with visual inconsistency and stupid bugs like this...

Your version is also missing the trees, you need to go till the last 3 division oil sidepanels to match it. Than you will notice the absence of the trees, grass and foliage in the pc version. At first i thought they downgraded the grass also but nope its just bugged in the pc version compared to Series X.

 

[Sebmugi]

In photo mode I noticed that the quality of the RT on XSX is really basic we will say..(except on the car itself) but it also works on the glass parts, which, like the old GTs, do not let see the smoke see through.
The action distance is also a problem that GT7 does not have. in both cases a dozen cars is behind me, but FM only reaches those that are closest (RT lift of about 5m in my opinion) the rest not.
it’s disappointing :/

FM

GT7

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

The first image looks very nice with the light bounce but the rest of the images ...not very flattering.

Not to mention ...30 fps..

 

[Monad]

In photo mode I noticed that the quality of the RT on XSX is really basic we will say..(except on the car itself) but it also works on the glass parts, which, like the old GTs, do not let see the smoke see through.
The action distance is also a problem that GT7 does not have. in both cases a dozen cars is behind me, but FM only reaches those that are closest (RT lift of about 5m in my opinion) the rest not.
it’s disappointing :/

FM

GT7

I just wish all that care and passion for detail that Polyphony provides came with a more dynamic and vibrant racing experience, because even to this day GT7 still feels just as static and sterile in its gameplay to the point that it turns me off completely, I can't easily put it into words.

And it's funny, because that was precisely the defining point that made me buy the original Xbox 20 years ago, games like PGR 2, RalliSport Challenge 2, the first Forza Motorsport....

That polish and realism of GT7 with the driving experience of the new Forza Motorsport would be a dream.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

 

[LostDonkey]

The handling looks really good. I wonder if you can put a bodykit on that.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Looks quite good


As for cam footage that hides all details but makes it look really uncanny with real life we have : (warning cheap scare)

 

[SlimySnake]

This sunset effect is so damn impressive. I am distracted by how beautiful it looks every time it comes up on any track. Simply beautiful.

 

[sinnergy]

This sunset effect is so damn impressive. I am distracted by how beautiful it looks every time it comes up on any track. Simply beautiful.

Forza really shines in this regard , light and shadow play, in the dark it’s amazing seeing all the light dance on the dashboard.

 

[alucard0712_rus]

Forza being Forza...

 

[GHG]

This sunset effect is so damn impressive. I am distracted by how beautiful it looks every time it comes up on any track. Simply beautiful.

Forza Motorsport, directed by Michael Bay, produced by Christopher Nolan.

 

[djjinx2]

Winter sun is often just like that, I get blinded by it all the time, looks very realistic to me

 

[Filben]

The longer I play FM the more I notice the sometimes outright bad visuals... even while driving and focusing on that. These screens are taken from a video I captured, so textures aren't as bad as in the video/on the screens and compression artefacts are due to the recording and it's not native res, but damn, what's going on with the car models and lack of depth and shadows? I have every setting (except for mirror quality on medium and disabled RT) on high or ultra, with Nvidia's DLAA setting on native 3440x1440, "dynamic render quality" on "ultra" and the FPS target to 60, with a RTX 3080.

Spoiler: visuals of FM

AI car, captured live in a practice session, not replay:

What is going on with the low poly count of the wheel cases? Also jagged lines and aliasing everywhere with bad motion blur.


This is from the performance menu. What's up with the brake discs and the flat (shading/flat looking brake caliper? The lighting and shaders while good on the chassis simply stop at the tyres and look from a decade ago.

Then the notorious pop ins. This happened in a split second but was still noticeable, annoying and happens also on track at times and with other visual effects and LoD:

This looks like shader quality from the past. A very long time ago.

At this point I'm thinking my game must be broken:

The game either doesn't recognise my graphic settings or it does really look like a last gen game at best and a fossil at worst. I have already updated to the latest drivers and restarted the system and game. I can't make it look better except for reflections with RT.

 

[SlimySnake]

Forza Motorsport, directed by Michael Bay, produced by Christopher Nolan.

lol maybe. Like djjinx said, I get blinded by this sun all the time in real life. Only difference is that real life doesnt look as beautiful so it’s more annoying than beautiful. I like that they enhanced it a little bit and made it prettier. That’s why i play games and watch movies. To get away from real life. Cinematography is so important in video games too. Its why Driveclub has stood the test of time. Its why Forza looks boring half the time because they have set a vast majority of races in day time boring bland lighting and weather conditions. At least early on.

 

[djjinx2]

lol maybe. Like djjinx said, I get blinded by this sun all the time in real life. Only difference is that real life doesnt look as beautiful so it’s more annoying than beautiful. I like that they enhanced it a little bit and made it prettier. That’s why i play games and watch movies. To get away from real life. Cinematography is so important in video games too. Its why Driveclub has stood the test of time. Its why Forza looks boring half the time because they have set a vast majority of races in day time boring bland lighting and weather conditions. At least early on.

Afternoon winter sun is the worst when driving. This is 12.30pm so sun is still a little high to blind

 

[Turk1993]

Thanks to Sebmugi providen me Xbox Series X captures i could analyse the missing trees, foliage and grass on other tracks. And it is missing in every track i have tested, and im sure in all the other aswell. A simple patch should fix it normally, but how could T10 not notice this.

The pc version has 50% less grass and 50% shorter render distance for grass. The pc version may look better on smaller screens or bigger screen due the the higher res textures and better pom on pc. But it would even look alot better if the full grass was also included.

Also check this, this blew my mind even more. Just look at the stones under the white house and on the left side of the purple banner on far left. They are missing completely on pc, i drove even closer to check if it was a lod issue but nope its not there. Also notice the mud trails textures missing on the right grass and the lesser and shorter draw distance grass overall in the pc version.

 

[Alexios]

Nice finds. What about the super sparse grass in other shots, was that Xbox or PC?

 

[Turk1993]

Nice finds. What about the super sparse grass in other shots, was that Xbox or PC?

Which one's?

 

[Alexios]

Which one's?

Like this

Forza Motorsport (XSX) vs Gran Turismo 7 (PS5) Graphics Comparison (Up: Video in OP replaced as IGN one was not fit for purpose)

This car and course in VR is a sight to behold. Videos can't really convey how VR + Racing games is the perfect combination. This. GT 7 + PS VR 2 + Racing wheel is a combo that's nearly impossible to beat on consoles right now.

www.neogaf.com

And wherever else it just looked like a few pre-old-gen flat grass textures thrown here and there instead of an actual grass system. Pretty inexcusable to have it like that on any system tbh, like I said, at least put a ton of sprites a la Wii's Xenoblade for a better resulting effect than this barren stuff.

 

[Turk1993]

Like this

Forza Motorsport (XSX) vs Gran Turismo 7 (PS5) Graphics Comparison (Up: Video in OP replaced as IGN one was not fit for purpose)

This car and course in VR is a sight to behold. Videos can't really convey how VR + Racing games is the perfect combination. This. GT 7 + PS VR 2 + Racing wheel is a combo that's nearly impossible to beat on consoles right now.

www.neogaf.com

And wherever else it just looked like a few pre-old-gen flat grass textures thrown here and there instead of an actual grass system.

Yeah its probably from the twitter troll Emula86, thats probably in performance mode where the graphics are the lowest quality on Xbox.

 

[Alexios]

Yeah its probably from the twitter troll Emula86, thats probably in performance mode where the graphics are the lowest quality on Xbox.

So, Performance RT that everyone apparently plays on has more grass and such than Performance? Yet maintains 60 fps? What does pure Performance do over it then? I'd think Performance RT does more concessions elsewhere in visuals in order to maintain RT from Quality but maybe not?

 

[Turk1993]

So performance RT that everyone plays has more grass and such? Yet maintains 60? What does performance do over it then? I'd think performance RT does more concessions elsewhere in order to maintain RT from quality but maybe not?

Performance mode is aiming at dynamic 4K that sits most of the time at 4K locked 60 while reducing the graphics like trees, foliage, grass, shadows, textures, draw distance, reflections, texture filtering, no RT reflections, no RT ao and mirror quality. Performance RT does all of this better but at a lower overal resolution. And visual mode which is what i compared above is the full quality with added grass, trees, foliage and higher res textures on top of the RT performance mode running at dynamic 4K that sits most of the time at 4K.

 

[mclaren777]

One of the solutions would be to switch to adaptive tesselation as at PD.. because even after post-processing of the photo mode you can clearly feel the difference ^^

This image doesn't make sense to me. In the new Forza game, using photo mode, the AI cars don't have the same LOD as the player car? Is that really true?

 

[Turk1993]

This image doesn't make sense to me. In the new Forza game, using photo mode, the AI cars don't have the same LOD as the player car? Is that really true?

Atleast on pc from what i have tested, in photomode nothing changes. It only downsamples and adds bokeh if you apply it. Other than that it all stayed the same. Which is weird cuz they could easily enhance the RT effects, draw distance and ai car lods. The photomode is also lackluster compared to other games. Games like GT7, FH5 and TCM have miles better photomode with more features.

 

[Sebmugi]

This image doesn't make sense to me. In the new Forza game, using photo mode, the AI cars don't have the same LOD as the player car? Is that really true?

well yes.. and the worst are the interiors really worthy of a PS2.. I would really like the studio to explain what really happened during these 6 years of development.. even if there is had covid, there is something that doesn't add up..

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

Performance mode is aiming at dynamic 4K that sits most of the time at 4K locked 60 while reducing the graphics like trees, foliage, grass, shadows, textures, draw distance, reflections, texture filtering, no RT reflections, no RT ao and mirror quality. Performance RT does all of this better but at a lower overal resolution. And visual mode which is what i compared above is the full quality with added grass, trees, foliage and higher res textures on top of the RT performance mode running at dynamic 4K that sits most of the time at 4K.

That's the same problem I had with Forzs Horizon 5 on Series X. It's only the Quality mode that has the good visuals. Huge gulf between performance and quality! In past generations devs used to try find the best middle ground by optimizing the shit out of the console version.

 

[Bunta_Fujiwara]

Yeah its probably from the twitter troll Emula86, thats probably in performance mode where the graphics are the lowest quality on Xbox.

He said he is using 30fps mode on these screens.

 

[Musilla]

We'll see

 

[spyshagg]

1080P@ 60FPS (but heavily compressed by IMGUR)

 

[Turk1993]

He said he is using 30fps mode on these screens.

Yeah sure it is. He is a fanboy troll yet you keep posting his shit 24/7 in the other thread. Hes using different shitty afternoon cloudy tod for Forza and overexposed his shot while cherrypicking better looking tod and weather for GT7. Those screenshots just prove that he is lying as always. There is zero pom and the grass is bugged like the pc version which doesn't happen in the visual mode on Xbox Series X. And in the visual RT mode the windows on the right are reflecting the stands in the pit which doesn't happen in his shot. And o boy does he love his photomode comparisons where one game gets enhanced like crazy while the other stays the same.

 

[alucard0712_rus]

I always thought that Sony need another racing game. Fun and arcade racer, something alike Forza Horizon. Now realized that that was Driveclub. It's not open world, but also very first installment of a game and so much was done right. I miss Driveclub and what it may become.

 

[FukuDaruma]

Forza Motorsport gets 'unnerfed' raytracing on PC, thanks to one player

One Forza Motorsport fan claims to have discovered that the game features "nerfed" raytracing capabilities on PC, with alleged fixes in tow.

www.destructoid.com

 

[Woody337]

This image doesn't make sense to me. In the new Forza game, using photo mode, the AI cars don't have the same LOD as the player car? Is that really true?

This is how the Xbox version looks

 

[Sebmugi]

1080P@ 60FPS (but heavily compressed by IMGUR)

still the most organic racing game ever created.. let's not rub it in the wound of evolution studio's disappearance.. and its sequel on PS5

 

[djjinx2]

Slightly OT but worth posting here I thought..

In the description of video is instructions and a download to edit some configurations..

 

[Bunta_Fujiwara]

Yeah sure it is. He is a fanboy troll yet you keep posting his shit 24/7 in the other thread. Hes using different shitty afternoon cloudy tod for Forza and overexposed his shot while cherrypicking better looking tod and weather for GT7. Those screenshots just prove that he is lying as always. There is zero pom and the grass is bugged like the pc version which doesn't happen in the visual mode on Xbox Series X. And in the visual RT mode the windows on the right are reflecting the stands in the pit which doesn't happen in his shot. And o boy does he love his photomode comparisons where one game gets enhanced like crazy while the other stays the same.

At least he uses the XSX version.I think he is more beliavable that forza fanboys using the pc version of Forza at max settings in the best possible conditions to make it look acceptable compared to GT lol

 

[Turk1993]

At least he uses the XSX version.I think he is more beliavable that forza fanboys using the pc version of Forza at max settings in the best possible conditions to make it look acceptable compared to GT lol

Keep posting twitter trolls posts, you are the same

 

[Bunta_Fujiwara]

Keep posting twitter trolls posts, you are the same

Lol you keep insulting because you can't stand comparisions where Gt looks better than Forza...you are even worse than Emula.

 

[Turk1993]

Lol you keep insulting because you can't stand comparisions where Gt looks better than Forza...you are even worse than Emula.

If you are posting everything this guy is posting than you are no better than him. I have praised both games while you are trolling 24/7 by posting his shit.

At least he uses the XSX version.I think he is more beliavable that forza fanboys using the pc version of Forza at max settings in the best possible conditions to make it look acceptable compared to GT lol

 

[Turk1993]

Also mods need to ban this trolls (Emula) posts, shit like this is draggin the level down in this thread. This guy was even banned on GTplanet because of his constant trolling.

 

[Bunta_Fujiwara]

If you are posting everything this guy is posting than you are no better than him. I have praised both games while you are trolling 24/7 by posting his shit.

First calm down because we are talking about videogames . Second if you can't stand his comparisions where GT looks better just buy an xbox series x and post the same comparisions that he make so you can demonstrate that in reality forza looks better and he is not doing a fair work . Till now all that you've done is posting some pc screenshots for damage control and that's it...

 

[Bunta_Fujiwara]

Anyway this looks and especially sounds so good. Best 4age sound that i have ever heard in any game

 

[rodrigolfp]

First calm down because we are talking about videogames . Second if you can't stand his comparisions where GT looks better just buy an xbox series x and post the same comparisions that he make so you can demonstrate that in reality forza looks better and he is not doing a fair work . Till now all that you've done is posting some pc screenshots for damage control and that's it...

Thread is about best graphics so what is the problem with pc screenshots?