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VGleaks: Orbis Unveiled! [Updated]
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gaming_noob
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Naughty Dog's artists/modelers are godly.
MaulerX
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I don't think it's that simple. We just can't say "176GB/s is better 68GB/s"? That's like ignoring Durango's 32MB eSRAM's 102GB/s and DME's. Those things considered, at the end Orbis will have an edge in bandwidth but imh I think Durangos edge in RAM volume will prove more advantageous than Orbis's edge in bandwidth.
R10Neymarfan
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Nope. These are THE EXACT textures that are inside Uncharted 3. 720p resolution makes them look much worse than they could be.
Also, Orbis has hardware for automatic decompressing of textures, they could be much more detailed than these ones that can fit in 512MB console.
Does Uncharted 3 even take up all of 25GB of disc space? Think if every game made was for the 50GB disc storage. We're looking at some high quality stuff, not to mention lossless game soundtracks. Don't forget Dolby true-HD and DTS MA
No, because Blu-rays will have more than 50GB of capacity...
Also, I got a hunch that a fair amount of stuff posted is wrong/not detailed enough for us to know how powerful the PS4 really is...
Aaaalso, lol @ people thinking that this will cost more than $400. The BOM will be less than $300 and when you factor in the other things, you get a machine which you can price at $399 while still making a profit.
longdi
Banned
interesting theory about reserving the CU....i think if true, makes the specs even more depressing...14 CU graphics... that is between 7770 and 7850...the rumors that developers are targetting GTX570 performance are true?
im not sure why sony went with a APU SOC. trying to cramp everything into a die...could they be thinking of shortening the console cycle to compete with iOS/Android? PS4.5, add another APU SOC to double the performance?
You agree with me. We were talking about base price.
Manmademan
Member
high end 3D televisions are selling extremely poorly. Panasonic, Sony, and Sharp are all on the verge of liquidating their divisions.
The low end is selling, but 3D has been a failure at pushing high end sets. This isn't something I'm making up for fun, a 5 second google search will tell you this.
Ken Masters
Banned
can someone please dumb down all this tech talk
Yeah you get my vote of confidence.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
The Blu-ray specs are wrong. Blu-ray is CLV, so it will have the same read speed throughout the disc. There is nothing in the Blu-ray specification that allows for CAV. Sony would be using a non-standard Blu-ray drive in the PS4 if they used CAV, I find this unlikely.
I agree that we now agree.
BloodMoney
Banned
I am keeping my fingers crossed that one of Orbis' features (special features) is 4k (BLXL) drive.
Any pieces missing in these current specs thuway?
Clay Davis
Member
it's an impressive piece of kit. somewhat more powerful than durango on paper, but both are still unknowns in performance, etc and both still have certain elements to their architecture that haven't been revealed yet.
that's my take on it. I'm sure someone who knows about this stuff will be along to correct any mistakes I've made.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
There's more to that but I think it's best to leave it for the unveil. Whenever that is.
Zoramon089
Banned
That's incredibly optimistic of you
Hydrargyrus
Member
If it's true, 14CU is pretty disappointing...
This just makes my head hurt. Too many models/bundles.
Forsaken82
Member
500+ guaranteed. Sony won't learn from there mistakes with the PS3.
and in regard to skus that may not include move I am willing to bet it is built into whatever the new controller is. It will be sold with every system, not matter what sku. i am like... 65% positive
maybe 55%
i find it a little odd that you'd prevent devs using almost 30% of the available CUs for graphics, but I bet there are ways around it - look at how the SPEs were used for graphics-based tasks to help RSX. I hope as a developer you get to choose to use both banks for graphics if you want.
Ken Masters
Banned
thanks
Just from a consistency POV...this was also in their original 'leak'. 'PCAV, between 3.3 and 8x BD, most likely clamped to 6x'
http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-ps4-in-deep-first-specs/
So it is at least...err...consistent. Not sure what the logic is if true...
I just don't see them charging $500 for base model with those kind of specs.
It's great. But nothing new.
I'm not too concerned about that being included. I have no plans on buying a 4k TV until sometime after 2020 unless prices come way down. It took several years just for HDTVs to drop below $2k for a 1080p set. I bought mine back in 2008 and it still cost me $1600. I don't have money to throw down on a new set yet, nor do I really want to.
DeuceGamer
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Specs look good enough and I can't wait till we start getting a look at some of the next gen games.
BloodMoney
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No need to dig up sources, i believe you... Thats a shame in my opinion though.
14 months ago i purchased a 55" Panny GT50 because i wanted a reference quality 2D image. At the time i considered 3D a gimmick. The plasma was also 3D, but it was not a feature i even tried until i purchased Uncharted 3... when i turned on Uncharted 3 in 3D my mouth hit the floor. I think there is a market for 3D, especially with next-gen consoles. 1080p 60 3D would be epic.
Oh, true, they don't add in the ads until the end... 3.5GB Reserved for OS!
DOBERMAN INC
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Fuck, this year is going to be expensive, PS4+New Xbox+WII-U.
mentalfloss
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The cost of the controllers/camera will push it over $400
It isn't 2005 anymore my friend.
AgentP
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The whole reason they went with AMD was the leverage existing chips and keep costs down. Nothing so far indicates a repeat of this gen. No expensive new disc media, no R&D and fab of a new kind of chip, etc. The RAM is kind of expensive, but nothing that video cards from 2012 didn't already ship with.
There is no info to indicate this is part of base model.
Pretty sure it's still just a devkit at this point.
GrayFoxPL
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Just PS4 for me, unless MS unveils Killer Instinct 3.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
It's great period. Who cares about new when there is some new tech. It's great and competes with modern PC's. The closed nature of it all will mean we should get some amazing looking titles and very soon into the cycle.
There's some new things in there as well that aren't in here such as the controller and other little HW things.
Maybe if 4 CUs are being taken out of the same command processing/thread scheduling group as the other 14 (per the logic that mixing gpgpu and graphics tasks through the same scheduling is non-optimal), maybe the 4 work with a scheduler that's under a different type of control.
Hence 'hardware balanced' (hardware thread balancing?) on 14 CUs, and some other separate regime for 4.
I think you'll be able to use those 4 for graphics tasks, but it may not be as transparent to the programmer as throwing commands against one graphics API (that talks against the GPU's command processor spanning 14 CUs). Maybe think of them as something under separate, perhaps slightly more manual control...as SPEs, but SPEs with TMUs that can run standard shader code.
maverick40
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Uncharted 2 is 19.5Gb on the ps store so we can assume Uncharted 3 is roughly the same size.
SirIgbyCeaser
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Maybe there is still a cell processor in there, but since it's only for BC... developers won't have access to it.. so there can be consoles without cell. A sku option down the line!
(I want to believe.)
(I want to believe.)
Based on what? Double of the ram is not that crazy thing if the bandwith is more restricted... & durango has 32 MB eSRAM, remember. Tiling is not a problem on Orbis where on Durango will be. Why people continues to think more RAM is important? It's absolutely false.
BloodMoney
Banned
The original Killer Instinct in the arcade was GODLY!... back in the days when the N64 was still called the Ultra 64. Ultra, ultra, ultra, ultra, ultra (fading into the distance).
DOBERMAN INC
Member
I usually think I'll only buy one too but after each E3 I'm always fooled into buying them all.
Still don't have a WII-U but I imagine E3 will change my mind.
AuthenticM
Member
Weren't there rumors that a new Perfect Dark and Shadow Complex were being worked on as launch titles ? If so, fuck... I may have to buy more than one console.
doesn't seem like there would be a CELL on board. But I wonder if you could simulate SPEs using CUs?