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[GiantBreadbug]

These numbers are nice, but I wanna see dem games. I can wait, but it'd be really cool if I didn't have to.

 

[npm0925]

I'm not too familiar with Dragon Ball Z. Can someone rank the power of the Wii U, Durango, and Orbis in terms of Tolkien's Middle Earth? Thank you.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Err... yes it is.

http://www.blu-raydisc.info/format-spec/re4-spec.php

No it isn't?

All of three of those are for rewriteable discs. There is no ROM specification for BDXL. I don't think BDXL can be stamped using current technology.

 

[AuthenticM]

Man, I am so fucking PUMPED for PS4 1st party games and its exclusives. Just thinking about Killzone 4, Uncharted 4, Motorstorm 4, God of War 4 and Jenova Chen 4 is making me giddy with excitement.

 

[Quaz51]

Err... yes it is.

http://www.blu-raydisc.info/format-spec/re4-spec.php

no, it's BR-R, BD-RE but not BD-ROM. games and films need new BD-ROM format and new BD-ROM format need new production lines, new mastering machines, lot of new investments.
it will not happen

 

[Clay Davis]

I was told one machine would be Gamecube the other would be Xbox by a certain developer. They would not specify. Take it for what you will.

well then.

That is close. MEGATON?

indeed. the gamecube had some incredibly stunning visuals throughout its life. if the difference is that minimal, there's nothing to worry about.

 

[phosphor112]

deader than dead.

Occulus rift?... HMZ? 3D Tv's?

 

[kikonawa]

I'll bet to two models at 299$ - 399$. with only 399$ or even more, psvita case will repeat again.

Lol at a 299$ price. Get a bit realistic please
We arent in 1996 anymore. Your 299$ of 15 years ago is worth 100$ with todays value

 

[LiquidMetal14]

depressing poor specs "upgrade" after almost 8 years. sony doing a Wii1.5

maybe sony is too poor lol or their hands are tied with the gimmicky camera/lcd screen... specs value wise, wont pay anything above $299 for it.

I remember the studio who made Killzone E3 CGI video commented that it can be done realtime in a few years time with next gen consoles...that was assuming the same pace of development.

Doubt this can be achieve any soon. Orbis still retains the 2 tessellation units from GCN.

BF3 on PC looks close to that and that game runs really well on even mid range PC's. Expect that detail and that's me being conservative.

 

[longdi]

Good grief, that CGI trailer looks so ugly. The only thing it was good at was visual in a technical standpoint e.g. flame, clouds, fluidity, etc; most (all?) of which has been met by a lot of games. Everything else was ugly about it.

the models have a lot of polygons.
i dont think even crysis 3 models come close.

 

[Jack_AG]

I'm only in here once to say two things:

1) Red flags - its not a "leak" as much as it is doing an internet roundup.
2) When Kaz answers his phone... does he say "Go for Kaz!"?

 

[Dawg]

Is 8gb + hd 7770 vs 4gb + hd 7850 a good comparison?

 

[szaromir]

Man, I am so fucking PUMPED for PS4 1st party games and its exclusives. Just thinking about Killzone 4, Uncharted 4, Motorstorm 4, God of War 4 and Jenova Chen 4 is making me giddy with excitement.

I think now they're doing multiplatform development.

 

[kodt]

I'm not too familiar with Dragon Ball Z. Can someone rank the power of the Wii U, Durango, and Orbis in terms of Tolkien's Middle Earth? Thank you.

Orbis: Gandalf

Durango: Aragorn

Wii U: Pippin

 

[Wynnebeck]

I'm not too familiar with Dragon Ball Z. Can someone rank the power of the Wii U, Durango, and Orbis in terms of Tolkien's Middle Earth? Thank you.

Wii U: The Hobbit
Orbis: Fellowship of the Ring
Durango: Return of the King

I know I ranked these wrong lol.

 

[nib95]

I remember the studio who made Killzone E3 CGI video commented that it can be done realtime in a few years time with next gen consoles...that was assuming the same pace of development.

Doubt this can be achieve any soon. Orbis still retains the 2 tessellation units from GCN.

 

[MaulerX]

That is close. MEGATON?

Not surprising. Orbis GPU hardware balanced to 14CU said a lot. It will probably never come close to the theoretical 1.8Tflops (assuming it was calculated with all 18CU in mind). If Durango is efficient enough to come close to it's theoretical 1.2Tflops then the Orbis gets the slight edge (from what we know so far). Wouldn't be surprised if it goes the other way around though...

 

[Corky]

Man, I am so fucking PUMPED for PS4 1st party games and its exclusives. Just thinking about Killzone 4, Uncharted 4, Motorstorm 4, God of War 4 and Jenova Chen 4 is making me giddy with excitement.

While I do share your enthusiasm for the next Playstation, I genuinely hope that I get to play some new games/IPs before I die from the inside from franchise fatigue.

 

[longdi]

BF3 on PC looks close to that and that game runs really well on even mid range PC's. Expect that detail and that's me being conservative.

i run BF3 at max graphics settings sans 2xAA, and the model details are not even close.
i would say BF3 geometry details are pretty conservative, held back by PS3/360.

 

[paradise_circus]

i need a gran turismo promo for the ps4, now

 

[Reiko]

BF3 on PC looks close to that and that game runs really well on even mid range PC's. Expect that detail and that's me being conservative.

It really doesn't.

 

[Beckx]

I'm not too familiar with Dragon Ball Z. Can someone rank the power of the Wii U, Durango, and Orbis in terms of Tolkien's Middle Earth? Thank you.

Wii U - Olorin
Durango - Tulkas
Orbis - Manwe

 

[Sorc3r3r]

I'm not too familiar with Dragon Ball Z. Can someone rank the power of the Wii U, Durango, and Orbis in terms of Tolkien's Middle Earth? Thank you.

Ahah this is fun:

Orbis: Gandalf the White
Durango: Gandalf the Grey
Wii U: Wormtongue

XD

 

[spats]

Well then. Day 1 if 450€ or under. Day 2 if 500€.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

i run BF3 at max graphics settings sans 2xAA, and the model details are not even close.
i would say BF3 geometry details are pretty conservative, held back by PS3/360.

That's the main downfall. I'm being conservative when I tell you that a game that looks like that (and better) won't be the anomaly but more of the norm. At least with AAA games.

It really doesn't.

I said close for a reason. I'm not putting myself to dry and say it meets it

I think Sony's 1st party efforts will be stunning but that's only from talking to certain people.

 

[kpjolee]

depressing poor specs "upgrade" after almost 8 years. sony doing a Wii1.5

maybe sony is too poor lol or their hands are tied with the gimmicky camera/lcd screen... specs value wise, wont pay anything above $299 for it.

I remember the studio who made Killzone E3 CGI video commented that it can be done realtime in a few years time with next gen consoles...that was assuming the same pace of development.

Doubt this can be achieve any soon. Orbis still retains the 2 tessellation units from GCN.

Oh Please..Orbis/Durango will be capable of putting out much better visuals than that, seriously.

 

[BloodMoney]

the models have a lot of polygons.
i dont think even crysis 3 models come close.

What are you smoking.

That killzone CGI looked amazing in 2005, it is less than inspiring now.
Crysis 3 destroys that image in poly-count, image quality, and shader effects.

*you are trolling us... right?

 

[Tobor]

It isn't 2005 anymore my friend.

No, it isn't. I'd argue with the shifts in the market, it's harder to increase the base price now than it was then. Meaning $500+ starting point would shrink the market further.

 

[thuway]

shucks they downgraded the gddr5....
sony planning to sell this for $399 and turn a profit with the first-second games bought? i see no problem hitting $399, the specs are not impressive. by the time PS4 launches, i believe high end gaming laptop will surpass the performance with ease...
too conservative, should have built for $499. people pay for ipads at a higher price.

I am baffled by the stealth trolling you have in EVERY Sony thread. You are absolutely daft to think 176 GB/S of 4 GB of RAM is bad. At this bandwith, you are allowed to access 3 GB of DATA per frame. 192 GB/S is overkill, and hot.

The specs not being impressive part is hilarious. If you want to move over to the side of the fence which is PC gaming, make sure to tell us what 200 + watts can offer in a desktop plate.

 

[pixlexic]

next gen = power vs ram fanboys confirmed.

 

[onQ123]

This + extra 2 CU's are the special sauce.

Spill it Bird!

what extra 2 CU's?

 

[Limanima]

Everything sounds amazing with the exception that I think there should be 6-8GB total RAM instead of 4.

Maybe there will be no need for more RAM if there's enough speed for streaming. Maybe that's why they are putting GDDR5. I don't know...

No much new info here, just a confirmation of what we already knew. We seem to have all the info about the hardware specs.
Now I want leaks about:

-Details about that dual camera
-How is the new DualShock
-Services
-Games

 

[Dragon]

Wii U - Olorin
Durango - Tulkas
Orbis - Manwe

You couldn't have used Mithrandil or whatever?

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

There's a high chance that they're just using him as the source, they're not confirming anything.
(I'm not saying he's wrong but that this vgleak article seems fabricated, if Kotaku posted it, we would be all bashing them for stealing rumors from GAF and turning them into articles/editorials).

It's possible but I hope they have their own source

 

[Reiko]

What are you smoking.

That killzone CGI looked amazing in 2005, it is less than inspiring now.
Crysis 3 destroys that image in poly-count, image quality, and shader effects.

*you are trolling us... right?

Parts of that video destroys Crysis 3 in screen complexity since it's fucking CG. lol

Also the obvious. That CG render has better animations than Crysis 3.

 

[longdi]

tons of screenshots

oh gosh, the geometry details are clearly not even close.
if it makes you sleep better at night...

 

[spwolf]

I disagree. $500 for a DS4, 2 Move+1 Eye, large HDD and a game is a package a fair amount of people will go for.

This is how I see it going:

$350: Base model - PS4, DS4, 250gb HDD, 1 month PS+
$400: + Model - PS4, 1-2 DS4, 500gb HDD, 1 year PS+, PS Store credit $10-25
$450: Move Model - PS4, DS4, 1 Move+PSEYE, $250gb HDD, 1yr PS+, Move Game, PS Store credit $10-25
$500: Premium Model - PS4, 1-2 DS4, 2 Move+PSEye, 750gb HDD, 1yr PS+, 1 PS4 game, PS Store credit $25+

it probably will be $499 realistically, or $399 if they want to heavily subsidize it. If premium PS3 500 GB SKU is still $299....

 

[ypo]

I don't think it's that simple. We just can't say "176GB/s is better 68GB/s"? That's like ignoring Durango's 32MB eSRAM's 102GB/s and DME's. Those things considered, at the end Orbis will have an edge in bandwidth but imh I think Durangos edge in RAM volume will prove more advantageous than Orbis's edge in bandwidth.

Games will still need access to the slow DDR3 often. Even with the esram it's still about 75% slower than DDR5. The esram doesn't magically negates the DDR3 bandwidth. So you can't just look at the esram and say Durango's got 102GB of memory bandwidth.

 

[Corky]

It's going to be $499 and €499. Mark my words, based on nothing other than my magic eightball over here.

 

[Wynnebeck]

Parts of that video destroys Crysis 3 in screen complexity since it's fucking CG. lol

Also the obvious. That CG render has better animations than Crysis 3.

Especially the very beginning with the transports flying through the clouds. I've yet to see any game match that besides KZ2 coming very close.

 

[LuuKyK]

Sounds amazing. Im ready for you PS4.

 

[The Lamp]

Perfect. The tech I want is all there. No stupid brainless omissions like the Wii U's lack of optical out lol.

Saving my money....

 

[LiquidMetal14]

next gen = power vs ram fanboys confirmed.

Or you could listen to the tech savvy people

 

[Clay Davis]

I disagree. $500 for a DS4, 2 Move+1 Eye, large HDD and a game is a package a fair amount of people will go for.

This is how I see it going:

$350: Base model - PS4, DS4, 250gb HDD, 1 month PS+
$400: + Model - PS4, 1-2 DS4, 500gb HDD, 1 year PS+, PS Store credit $10-25
$450: Move Model - PS4, DS4, 1 Move+PSEYE, $250gb HDD, 1yr PS+, Move Game, PS Store credit $10-25
$500: Premium Model - PS4, 1-2 DS4, 2 Move+PSEye, 750gb HDD, 1yr PS+, 1 PS4 game, PS Store credit $25+

they won't pack both store credit and plus into the console and they certainly won't pack a years sub into plus either. 3 months is your best best.

 

[daveo42]

I'm only in here once to say two things:

1) Red flags - its not a "leak" as much as it is doing an internet roundup.
2) When Kaz answers his phone... does he say "Go for Kaz!"?

Oh God I hope so.

 

[Clay Davis]

It's going to be $499 and €499. Mark my words, based on nothing other than my magic eightball over here.

UK is definitely feeling getting bent over. :/.

 

[dragonbane]

Complaining about the amount of RAM is crazy. If the PS3 can do Uncharted with 256MB of RAM, I can't even think off a well optimized game that uses 3.5 GB of faster RAM. It's all about streaming nowadays, so the amount is totally sufficient for awesome looking textures etc.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

I was told one machine would be Gamecube the other would be Xbox by a certain developer. They would not specify. Take it for what you will.

Based on the rumors it looks like the PS4 will be the stronger of the two.

 

[LeleSocho]

killzone 3 screenshots

Are you arguing that those looks better than the CG trailer? lol

 

[Graphics Horse]

i need a gran turismo promo for the ps4, now

How have i not seen this before?