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Marcus Beer vs ECA Ambassador "Hip Hop Gamer" Twitter feud
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Holy shit. Is that a real person?
How did you even get caught in the cross fire? People who attack on Twitter are weird.
The Faceless Master
Member
and for the exact opposite of HHG too! his english was too good!
HipHopGamer is homophobic?
fvng
Member
Precisely, and most of these posts lumping him in with HHG don't even bother to explain why he is "just as bad". I didn't have to scroll down far for another one of these.
I tweeted the ECA that I didn't agree with their choice and backpedaling comments. Then this guy starts tweeting at me a bunch of bullshit. I'm a fucking racist now, apparently.
Yeah, silly mentality of "You discuss video games on a popular website? Corrupt!" Please. Ditto for Adam Sessler and Geoff Keighley. You're average poster probably hasn't even read The Final Hours of HL2, but they're an expert on Doritos Pope!
N'gai went full twitter PR circlejerk over Wainwright. He's a tool.
This is all I remember The Hip Hop Gamer for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asAEJtkr9ZE
Plus all his reviews where he has trouble articulating what makes a game good or not and it always ends up being "OH MY GOD THESE GRAPHICS IS BANANAS" or something as equally stupid.
He doesn't even hide the fact that he's racist, sexist and worse than Chief Keef at rapping.
Plus all his reviews where he has trouble articulating what makes a game good or not and it always ends up being "OH MY GOD THESE GRAPHICS IS BANANAS" or something as equally stupid.
He doesn't even hide the fact that he's racist, sexist and worse than Chief Keef at rapping.
Refreshment.01
Member
Leaving outside who is who since i really don't care that much about the situation. Well the Marcus person fails here. Why? Because he is running away from a confrontation he in the first place started. If the HHG person is so full of sh!t then why the Marcus person doesnt man up to the challenge and exposes him publically? Nope, he just sits there behind the social network wall of confidence like a scared cat (hope the comparison doesnt offend anyone).
Could be that HHG put out the call to his supporters to attack anyone that is in disagreement with him.
Jest Chillin
Member
You can check HHG's videos and his twitter feed, so why would you speculate something like this?
bigdaddygamebot
Member
There are other ways to contact friends. This guy very specifically noted they were friends and talked about how great HHG was and that I was a racist for not seeing it.
There are other ways to contact supporters other than Twitter and a YouTube video.
Neuromancer
Member
That sounds like fun, I may try this in a bit.
RoninChaos
Member
uh... who are these people?
fvng
Member
Pretty sure the answer to your question is in the very first post of this thread
fizzelopeguss
Banned
I can't help but see him as president camacho, leader of all simpletons.
Jest Chillin
Member
So then I ask you Shark, did Marcus Beer contact you to tell you to support him in his anti-HHG stance? I'm willing to bet he didn't. Would it be fair for me to make the assumption that he did?
What about when people start console war bickering? Are the various competing companies sending out messages to their followers to trash talk their competitors?
Sometimes people who are friends or fans or both choose to step in on their own accord. Why not give HHG the benefit of the doubt?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
The important thing is that he used the term, so now people who hate his personality have something concrete and broadly repulsive on which to build their case against him.
Hilarious.
People arguing about how words should be used or who supports who.
Chris Rock said it well
http://youtu.be/we-zND9Ihes
I wish people were as adamant about taking down other journalists and sites as they are about hhg.
People arguing about how words should be used or who supports who.
Chris Rock said it well
http://youtu.be/we-zND9Ihes
I wish people were as adamant about taking down other journalists and sites as they are about hhg.
The thing is, there should be no battle at all.
The ECA features this guy on its front page as a "brand ambassador," and in one of the two pictures he's featured in, he's wearing an ECA hat. Whether that's a compensated position or a volunteer one is irrelevant; the guy is front and center.
If the ECA chooses to have this man as a figurehead, it does not represent my interests.
They're not? HHG is the only person who ever gets called out on his bs? Okay.
shinobi602
Member
HHG is a fucking joke, IMO. Why anyone takes him seriously literally confounds me.
Petrae
Member
Problem here is that HHG asked for more scrutiny when he decided to go bigger and reach out to the ECA as a "brand ambassador". When you try to propel yourself into the spotlight, you need to be prepared for the skeletons in your closet to come out.
Beer isn't asking to be a "brand ambassador". Nobody else is. People know the responsibility that comes with such a role. Your past will come up, and some people are going to hold you accountable for it.
HHG was arguably better off building his own brand. His followers know his past and have accepted him for it-- or in spite of it-- so it's a safer move. Once you latch onto another organization, especially one that supposedly represents gaming consumers and is dealing with politicians waging war on violent video games and the assault on the medium in general, it's a gamble.
I don't want to see HHG get "taken down". He certainly should continue his work as he's profiting by it and put in effort to gain the followers that he has. I do think that the ECA didn't do its due diligence and at least check out HHG before deciding, "Sure, why not? He's just a volunteer." The match is not a good one.
IrishNinja
Member
those were my thoughts as well
that's deep, LiK
are you serious? he's written a few interesting pieces, but:
this in particular was pretty embarrassing for him, and not just the facebook jpg GAF liked to post - if you followed his twitter, he discredited the whole thing as fast as he could with the whole "this story is now about media on media" nonsense, he bent over backwards to bury that and not discuss it. i personally thought he came off a worse shill than Geoff.
difference being, fvng actually listed something specific (though a link'd be cool) in Beer's favor, you didn't. many (including myself) came to this thread with the only knowledge of him being what's said here, and if i recall, you just harped on his job in LA as if that should've proved something, which it clearly didn't
likewise, would anything within said book have changed his perception regarding that mess, and lack of follow-up he'd discussed prior? I don't personally think it was the big deal much of GAF did either, but i took the bulk of the discussion to be a state-of-the-industry thing anyway. perhaps you think having read final hours of HL2 would lend Geoff credit in the bank? I thought many here gave him that for things like going after Reggie at E3 and stuff like that.
"You discuss video games on a popular website? Corrupt!" is just as baseless a dismission.
Funny anecdote - the guy(s) who were involved in the "incident" with HHG at E3 are most likely two editors from a magazine I read here in Germany (M! Games). On their E3 podcast they complained about some douche who was sitting behind them at the Sony conference with a WWE belt and who was getting overly excited about the most mundane announcements. They didn't know who he was, but they may have told him to tone it down if I remember correctly. Hilarious that that's making (very minor) waves in US games media many months later still.
Personally I don't mind HHG. I don't watch his stuff very often, only when GAF links me there. If you know how to filter his enthusiasm, he can be entertaining under the right circumstances.
I don't mind Beer either - if you visit Gametrailers you can hardly ignore him. He does a better job hosting Invisible Walls than I thought he would. The editors on the show are usually more interesting, but that was the same with Satterfield.
I couldn't help but laugh when I caught him on the recent Pachter show though:
Of course it's out of context, but that picture is a good representation of the balance of power between Pachter and the games press. And it can't be good for your credibility if you're a veteran journalist and have to sit even below the kiddy table when you discuss stuff with Pachter. Especially if you're cultivating some sort of a tough guy image.
Personally I don't mind HHG. I don't watch his stuff very often, only when GAF links me there. If you know how to filter his enthusiasm, he can be entertaining under the right circumstances.
I don't mind Beer either - if you visit Gametrailers you can hardly ignore him. He does a better job hosting Invisible Walls than I thought he would. The editors on the show are usually more interesting, but that was the same with Satterfield.
I couldn't help but laugh when I caught him on the recent Pachter show though:
Of course it's out of context, but that picture is a good representation of the balance of power between Pachter and the games press. And it can't be good for your credibility if you're a veteran journalist and have to sit even below the kiddy table when you discuss stuff with Pachter. Especially if you're cultivating some sort of a tough guy image.
Neuromancer
Member
Pachter showing some leg there
Samurai_Heart
Member
No wonder HHG didn't join Gaf when i suggested he should back in the day when he was just starting with his schtick...Gaf would have had his ass on a platter.
I met him at MGS4 signing, that's around the time he started doing his video reviews and outlandish speculation. He was a huge Sony fanboy back then- he was way too irrational for anybodys good to the point of defending Lair by citing graphics- I think he tamed that side a bit over the years. He brings nothing constructive to the gaming side, nothing. The guy is walking soundbite, albeit a good guy with ok raps, he has no room as any ambassador of anything. He sure can play a shill for game companies but that's about it, he can not articulate himself for the life of him.
I met him at MGS4 signing, that's around the time he started doing his video reviews and outlandish speculation. He was a huge Sony fanboy back then- he was way too irrational for anybodys good to the point of defending Lair by citing graphics- I think he tamed that side a bit over the years. He brings nothing constructive to the gaming side, nothing. The guy is walking soundbite, albeit a good guy with ok raps, he has no room as any ambassador of anything. He sure can play a shill for game companies but that's about it, he can not articulate himself for the life of him.
Really? Weird, considering these days he's all "I'm a true gamer" kinda guy, and how he always says good things about Nintendo and Microsoft (more Nintendo than Microsoft I notice)
shinobi602
Member
Not sure how he is now, but he was a massive Sony fanboy when I started watching his take on things, probably around 2 years ago. Guy is a major douche though, and straight up obnoxious. No idea what the fuck ECA was thinking.
I haven't seen any of his stuff in a while, but he would constantly poke at Microsoft when conducting interviews with Aaron Greenberg, in a patronizing way not to mention. He was riding the Sony bandwagon like nobody's business. He tried to act neutral by saying he owns a 360, but man, having spend 7 hours outside talking to him and other people you get a nice picture of what kind of console warrior he was. Go back and rewatch some of his first videos, you can tell how it sips through once he tackles the news and speculation.
toastyToast
Member
I have no idea how HHG worked himself up to this point. Dude is basically a Youtube commenter personified. Like, he hasn't gone beyond being just a fan. That's cool and all but it shouldn't account for much in a real writing gig.
I subscribed to him on Youtube because I believed what he said about playing any game on any console, I guess I was wrong about him because when people bashed him on forums or youtube or something I always defended him, guess I was wrong about him, I will watch some of his early Youtube videos.
Edit: Looked at his channel and the latest video is from a year ago, anyone know where I could find older videos?
famousmortimer
Banned
HipHopGamer has consistently been my second favorite source of unintentional comedy in the 'gaming press' for a while now. For a while I thought he was in on the joke but after watching about four videos I realized he wasn't.
That MoH video was amazing. Another great one is his video for ZombiU. He goes apeshit over a cardboard box on the ground.
That MoH video was amazing. Another great one is his video for ZombiU. He goes apeshit over a cardboard box on the ground.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
I like how he accuses others of racism then lets out a constant stream of epithets against white people. Project much?
Neuromancer
Member
What's your #1?
famousmortimer
Banned
I think you know...
If you give yourself a moniker like, "Angry ____" or "Annoyed _____" or anything that is meant to describe your fake internet personality, then you've already lost. Seriously. Just call yourself by your name if you think you consider yourself professional in regards to whatever the hell Marcus or HHG claim to stand for. Or if you plan on critiquing the credentials of another person with the same style of you, at least represent something that isn't completely hypocritical of what you're saying. Marcus Beer is just as bad as HHG because he swings around an internet personality.
There's your explanation.
also:
"lazy little buggers"
"these guys don't give a shit."
"you're such a fucking giver man"
"The greedy CEOs and shareholders who don't give a shit about games"
"you fuckers"
"you wankers...are the reason you're ruining AAA games."
Yeah what a great "professional" representative. He's just as bad as any other shit talking internet celebrity...love how he's saying, "grow up" to hiphopgamer. Both need to go back to youtube...
DyslexicAlucard
Member
After reading the entire thread, and having been familiar enough with HHG in the past to have an opinion, I've got to say that I'm so fucking tired of people using the straw-man arguement.
First off, people (mostly) do not hate HHG for his style. While most here would probably not say that they find it endearing, his title-wearing and overly enthusiastic ways are more just annoying and not the crux of why people think this is a stupid move on the ECA's part.
Secondly, being a "nice guy" does not excuse the absolutely putrid work he does. I expound on this later.
"But Kotaku/Joystiq/Polygon/whoever is just as bad lolz!" -- At least those sites make an attempt to at least appear unbiased and (bonus!) are able to write (somewhat) properly. But even this is irrelevant as this thread isn't about them. Please stop trying to divert attention away from the topic at hand.
Here is a selection of legitimate criticisms that I feel have not been adequately addressed by him or anyone in this thread:
He stole freebies from a show. Enough said on this, I feel. It's deplorable and no excuse is really good enough. He conveniently leaves this out when "addressing" criticism.
He called someone, among other things, a "faggot." Things happen, sure, but he clearly misrepresents what happened. Also, his defence of "what would you do?" is asinine. If I was told to STFU at a show that I was working at, I'd likely just tell the guy to calm down. The fact that he acts as if his reaction was the only reasonable response, combined with his apology being almost a year later, shows just how immature he is and how he really feels about what happened -- ie: he still thinks he was right.
As was said before, HHG's writing is putrid. Sorry, but as an editor for a (small) newspaper -- I'm an expert!
-- his writing makes me cringe. That sorry excuse for a "review" of MoH:W was filled with more grammatical and punctuational errors than is even close to reasonable. The fact that he calls himself the "#1 journalist" yet he can't even use the proper "you're" is fucking sad, not to mention his complete inability to express why he likes a game.
There's also the fact that he plagiarized and then tries to play it off like he's "helping" other journalists by giving them exposure. This would be reasonable if he took news they broke, put his own spin on it and credited them clearly. Instead, he literally rips paragraphs from their articles and then plasters his name on the top, thinking a "from *********.com" at the bottom makes it okay.
Then there's the fact that he's a PR shill. The previous comments about Ninja Gaiden 3 are relevant here. Yes, you can disagree with someone about a game -- that's perfectly fine. But if the crux of your argument comes not from your own opinion -- which, as a reviewer, should be easy for HHG -- but from the game's PR, then you're either intellectually dishonest or easily manipulated, with the latter being my guess.
Finally, when he's criticised, he tends to play the race card. Look, racism does exist, and many deal with it daily. I'm sure HHG has unfortunately been involved in some in his life, and that fucking sucks. But by constantly accusing people of being racist, he lessens the whole issue and it ends up looking like "The boy who cried wolf."He takes any accusations of being unprofessional, which he is, as an attack on his race and calls his detractors racists -- despite no one else bringing it up. It's a pathetic shield that only morons can't see right through.
With all of this, it's no wonder that some people may take exception to a lobbying group to name someone like him an "ambassador." Because of this, there's a chance that someone will talk to him because the ECA backs him. In other words, someone who is incompetent, inarticulate, unprofessional, dishonest, easily manipulated, childish and (possibly) racist may be looked at as representing "gamers," thus reinforcing some stereotypes people have about people that play games. Sure, we know that the ECA and HHG are jokes, but does the random CNN/NBC/Fox News viewer?
For those labelling HHG detractors as haters, I feel this is as definitive of a list as any as to why we dislike this move and the logistics behind it.
First off, people (mostly) do not hate HHG for his style. While most here would probably not say that they find it endearing, his title-wearing and overly enthusiastic ways are more just annoying and not the crux of why people think this is a stupid move on the ECA's part.
Secondly, being a "nice guy" does not excuse the absolutely putrid work he does. I expound on this later.
"But Kotaku/Joystiq/Polygon/whoever is just as bad lolz!" -- At least those sites make an attempt to at least appear unbiased and (bonus!) are able to write (somewhat) properly. But even this is irrelevant as this thread isn't about them. Please stop trying to divert attention away from the topic at hand.
Here is a selection of legitimate criticisms that I feel have not been adequately addressed by him or anyone in this thread:
He stole freebies from a show. Enough said on this, I feel. It's deplorable and no excuse is really good enough. He conveniently leaves this out when "addressing" criticism.
He called someone, among other things, a "faggot." Things happen, sure, but he clearly misrepresents what happened. Also, his defence of "what would you do?" is asinine. If I was told to STFU at a show that I was working at, I'd likely just tell the guy to calm down. The fact that he acts as if his reaction was the only reasonable response, combined with his apology being almost a year later, shows just how immature he is and how he really feels about what happened -- ie: he still thinks he was right.
As was said before, HHG's writing is putrid. Sorry, but as an editor for a (small) newspaper -- I'm an expert!
-- his writing makes me cringe. That sorry excuse for a "review" of MoH:W was filled with more grammatical and punctuational errors than is even close to reasonable. The fact that he calls himself the "#1 journalist" yet he can't even use the proper "you're" is fucking sad, not to mention his complete inability to express why he likes a game.There's also the fact that he plagiarized and then tries to play it off like he's "helping" other journalists by giving them exposure. This would be reasonable if he took news they broke, put his own spin on it and credited them clearly. Instead, he literally rips paragraphs from their articles and then plasters his name on the top, thinking a "from *********.com" at the bottom makes it okay.
Then there's the fact that he's a PR shill. The previous comments about Ninja Gaiden 3 are relevant here. Yes, you can disagree with someone about a game -- that's perfectly fine. But if the crux of your argument comes not from your own opinion -- which, as a reviewer, should be easy for HHG -- but from the game's PR, then you're either intellectually dishonest or easily manipulated, with the latter being my guess.
Finally, when he's criticised, he tends to play the race card. Look, racism does exist, and many deal with it daily. I'm sure HHG has unfortunately been involved in some in his life, and that fucking sucks. But by constantly accusing people of being racist, he lessens the whole issue and it ends up looking like "The boy who cried wolf."He takes any accusations of being unprofessional, which he is, as an attack on his race and calls his detractors racists -- despite no one else bringing it up. It's a pathetic shield that only morons can't see right through.
With all of this, it's no wonder that some people may take exception to a lobbying group to name someone like him an "ambassador." Because of this, there's a chance that someone will talk to him because the ECA backs him. In other words, someone who is incompetent, inarticulate, unprofessional, dishonest, easily manipulated, childish and (possibly) racist may be looked at as representing "gamers," thus reinforcing some stereotypes people have about people that play games. Sure, we know that the ECA and HHG are jokes, but does the random CNN/NBC/Fox News viewer?
For those labelling HHG detractors as haters, I feel this is as definitive of a list as any as to why we dislike this move and the logistics behind it.
fvng
Member
It's still an apples to oranges comparison. Beer's Linkedin has 20+ years of Gaming industry experience. HHG is 30 years old for context. Wanker is a school yard taunt, "faggot" is legally considered hate speech.
Are they both personalities? Yes. Is the substance of their industry commentary comparable? Not even close, especially In light of another member pointing out that HHG was just regurgitating marketing talking points fed to him by the publisher. On the other hand Beer is offering honest feedback that often reflects the sentiment of GAF or gamers in general.
Marcus Beer isn't going to press events shouting obnoxious catch phrases and his own name.
I don't mind the outrageous personality as much as I mind HHG's use of "faggot" and his shilling of corporate interests. I would like an example of Beer shilling in his current role as industry commentator/pundit.
DyslexicAlucard
Member
So HHG responded to one of my tweets. He wanted to do an interview with me for the paper I edit and write for. Since my paper is focused on local news and isn't relevant to this discussion whatsoever, I offered to have him respond to my points above and then I'll post his response in this thread. We'll see what he says, though I expect he'd be down; I may dislike his writing, lack of professionalism etc., but at least he is good with interacting with people.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Interesting. Let us know how it goes.