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Not only that but history this generation has proven the exact opposite. Res went up as did the effects. Just take Oblivion on 360 with its 600p res and sub 30 fps and look at Skyrim - 720p and steady 30 fps with better streaming, better engine and physics and effects. Same goes for GTA, Halo, etc.

Yeah, I'm not sure where this skewed version of reality is coming from. Just looking at PS3 exclusives I'm not aware of any subsequent games in the various franchises this gen that went down in resolution. Both the IQ and the effects went up. Framerate is the only thing I'll cede on this weird "argument", but that's always been unpredictable on consoles this gen as far as I'm concerned.
 

marvin83

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I agree. And I think people need to be a little less critical of thing a like 900p, because I expect some ps4 games will start using that later in the generation. Either to keep up with PC engines pushing forward, or simply to allow for more time per pixel

Sorry, but this makes little sense to me.

Firstly, people should be really critical of 900p. It's been 8 years since the last Xbox. 8 years of new tech. There are 720p games for Xbox and even some higher than that. It's safe to assume it SHOULD be able to push 1080p in its sleep. But they opted for bunk hardware and it's on them to deal win the repercussions.

Secondly, ps4 games using 900p LATER in the gen??? Don't devs better understand the hardware as time goes on? I expect every ps4 game to be 1080p and packed full of beautiful features later in the gen. I don't see how you expect ps4 games to go down in resolution later in the gen when they're at 1080p now.
 
To upclock is to increase the maximum output of a hardware component. This typically increases the amount of heat the component creates, and heat is capable of aging and killing hardware. The more heat that is generated over longer periods of time, the more likely that the hardware will eventually degrade or fail.

The dimensions of the Xbox One hardware, and its ability to contend with heat, will define how vulnerable it is to hardware degradation. User care will also aid the lifetime of any piece of hardware. Consoles are specifically designed to be turned on and off often (unlike computers), so turn your console off when it is not in use. Give the console a 15 minute break once every 3 hours. Store the console in a spacious, cool area. Avoid placing the console on an object or in a space that retains heat, such as carpet. Do not place a console in direct sunlight, and controlling the room temperature via air conditioning or a fan is helpful as well.

No matter how poorly designed a piece of hardware is, if you can keep it cool, you will extend its lifetime.

A big issue I foresee with the Xbox One is that it's advertised as a general entertainment machine. Its "always-on" features imply that it should be always on--but should it? Should an upclocked piece of hardware be left running for such long amounts of time? I suggest that Xbox One owners pay close attention to how much heat the console produces when you are not playing video games. If the console generates as much heat with its cable television feature as it does rendering video games, I would avoid leaving the television on for a long time. Hopefully this is not the case! Hopefully the console goes into some kind of smart "stand-by mode" during television playback.

In the event that the Xbox One does have common heat issues, yes, Microsoft absolutely does have the ability to disable the upclock. This could be done easily via a typical firmware update. Not only do they have the ability to disable the upclock, but any game can be altered (downgraded) via software updates to suit the hardware.

Also note that, while the Xbox One may not be capable of true 1080p for some games, they may be able to cheese it. They could, like some current gen games, crop out part of the image that would have been rendered to make the game (fake) "widescreen". This would allow the game to be 1080p and non-upscaled, at the expense of having black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. This fake type of widescreen can often reduce processing load by up to 25%.

Thanks for your explanation Alvarez. I have absolutely zero problems with 900p, sure 1080p would be awesome though, but as long as the framrate doesn't take a hit, I guess I'm fine with 900p. The only thing that still worries me is the reliablity of the platform. Disable the uplock via a software update would do the trick , but when MS will publish this they'll lose some more credibility I guess.
 

Z3M0G

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Sorry if I missed it, can someone explain to me why he "encodes" his statements? I mean it's not like he's hiding from anyone anymore with it.

I"m thinking that if he/she ever got caught, and taken to court by MS, these quotes wouldn't hold up... where ultimately they are gibberish, and we are just interpreting them ourselves... and this person can't be held accountable for our interpretations.
 

Riky

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I thought the AMD parts like the Jaguar CPU had a range of clocks and even with the change the X1 falls well within the range, so it isn't really overclocked at all?
 

nynt9

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I"m thinking that if he/she ever got caught, and taken to court by MS, these quotes wouldn't hold up... where ultimately they are gibberish, and we are just interpreting them ourselves... and this person can't be held accountable for our interpretations.

More importantly, it does a good job of hiding one's natural way of writing. People can often be identified by the way they speak/write, and this ensures that won't happen.

It's basically equivalent to writing with your left hand (if you are right handed) to beat handwriting analysis.
 
I hope we(and Microsoft) never find out because a)I like the leaks and b)I like to imagine that CBOAT is a walking pair of buttocks.

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People shouldn't dig too deep. He has a wife to take care of.
 

CoG

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Sorry if I missed it, can someone explain to me why he "encodes" his statements? I mean it's not like he's hiding from anyone anymore with it.

Everyone's writing has a signature. It might be that you use two spaces after a period and use the wrong punctuation on certain possessive words. Given a large sample of your writing, it's possible to search for your writing signature in a large collection of documents. So, if MS decided to mine their Exchange server for CBOAT's signature (if he didn't obfuscate his posts) they may turn up some leads.

On a smaller scale I've busted people on other forums having duplicate accounts by manually matching their writing style.
 

Z3M0G

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More importantly, it does a good job of hiding one's natural way of writing. People can often be identified by the way they speak/write, and this ensures that won't happen.

It's basically equivalent to writing with your left hand (if you are right handed) to beat handwriting analysis.

Good point, that may be the primary reason.
 

viveks86

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Thanks for your reply. The fact that Cboat mentions risk, is enough for me to think there are serious issues. I'm concerned. I've preordered the Xbone and as a customer this news does not make me a happy customer.

And rightfully so. Having said that, I would urge you to sit tight and wait for more solid info before you decide to cancel your preorder (not that you might be doing it, just putting it out there for everyone reading this). I've seen several knee jerk reactions lately. You still have a month to decide. It would be wise to make full use of it.
 
I'd like some devs or more technical posters to comment on whether - if Xbox one settled on 900p for most titles - they'd be able to handle all the detail and a perfects per pixel that the PS4 would. Feels about right - 1080p is about 50% more pixels than 900p which matches well with 50% more CUs on PS4, 900p would fit better in the limited ESRAM, HUD can be native 1080p with the display planes, Xbox one has the same number of geometry engines as PS4.

If so, I'd be much more comfortable choosing an Xbox one for Multiplatform games if everything was on par other than resolution.

resolution independent effects may take a huge hit as well especially considering they only have 1 ACE but yeah that sounds about right
 

Valnen

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I don't know what's so unbelievable about either of these, tbh. Plenty of games this gen have been sub-HD or had very poor framerates, and that's on hardware that was powerful for its time.
Next gen isn't this gen. Sub 720p will only happen if the developer is incompetent.
 

Raistlin

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A big issue I foresee with the Xbox One is that it's advertised as a general entertainment machine. Its "always-on" features imply that it should be always on--but should it? Should an upclocked piece of hardware be left running for such long amounts of time? I suggest that Xbox One owners pay close attention to how much heat the console produces when you are not playing video games. If the console generates as much heat with its cable television feature as it does rendering video games, I would avoid leaving the television on for a long time. Hopefully this is not the case! Hopefully the console goes into some kind of smart "stand-by mode" during television playback.
Both XBone and PS4 have low power modes. IIRC that includes with certain media modes, etc.

Unless you are actually running a game, their main APU's will either be in a low power mode, or possibly even off. For example, PS4 has an ARM SoC for doing certain functionality (wake-on-LAN for updates, game downloading, etc).




I also wouldn't be surprised if turning them to standby actually has the fans run for a bit to cool down the APU. Similar to how RPTV's operate in order to cool down the light source.
 
"I hope you aren't fans of 1080P on Xbox One.When hardware is released you'll see what I mean about issues. Upclocks too risk everywhere, 2014 was a better idea."

Sounds like there'll be problems a-la Xbox 360 with reliability and it was rushed out to be in 2013 rather than 2014 when planned.
I still can't believe they weren't planning to release this year. 360's had all the energy of the Wii back in 2011 and that's been for a good year and a half now. Were they really planning on taking all the up-ported 360 games to XBO and just roll w/ an empty 360 for all of 2013?

One side of me wants it to be true so I can laugh, but the logical side is telling me that isn't a logical release date.
 

EvB

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Ps2 era was sub-SD resolution

360/PS3 was sub 720p

XBone/PS4 will be sub 1080p

And so the circle of life continues
 

Osiris

I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Ps2 era was sub-SD resolution

360/PS3 was sub 720p

XBone/PS4 will be sub 1080p

And so the circle of life continues


Other that the fact that there's already a large number of PS4 titles at 1080p, but 10/10 for the attempt at false equivalence.
 

Lokbob

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I wonder if you can replace the fan. Maybe its just a normal 4 pin connector and you could use a nice noctua fan instead.

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Jack cw

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360/PS3 was sub 720p

XBone/PS4 will be sub 1080p

And so the circle of life continues

Oh god...
Have you actually read all those DF and LoS articles? The majority of current gen titles ran at 720p. PS4 games appear to run in 1080p, so pls stop spreading false assumptions.
 
Sorry, but this makes little sense to me.

Firstly, people should be really critical of 900p. It's been 8 years since the last Xbox. 8 years of new tech. There are 720p games for Xbox and even some higher than that. It's safe to assume it SHOULD be able to push 1080p in its sleep. But they opted for bunk hardware and it's on them to deal win the repercussions.

Secondly, ps4 games using 900p LATER in the gen??? Don't devs better understand the hardware as time goes on? I expect every ps4 game to be 1080p and packed full of beautiful features later in the gen. I don't see how you expect ps4 games to go down in resolution later in the gen when they're at 1080p now.
That poster does have a point, somewhat. Same in regards to arguments regarding 60/30 fps. Depending on what the game requires, devs might opt to drop the resolution some if it means they can pack in tons of graphical effects and lock it at 60fps. Open world games will probably be most suspectible to that sort of scaling as the gen goes on.

It also depends on the genre. Fighting games, for example, must maintain 60fps for input reasons. If Namco or Sega want to push heavy graphical effects to do something we can't even dream of, and something has to get gimped between resolution and framerate, you can guarantee the resolution will be downscaled.

You're right in that devs get to understand the hardware better as the gen goes on, but that doesn't mean they won't nudge it down a bit if that becomes a requirement.
 

marvin83

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That poster does have a point, somewhat. Same in regards to arguments regarding 60/30 fps. Depending on what the game requires, devs might opt to drop the resolution some if it means they can pack in tons of graphical effects and lock it at 60fps. Open world games will probably be most suspectible to that sort of scaling as the gen goes on.

It also depends on the genre. Fighting games, for example, must maintain 60fps for input reasons. If Namco or Sega want to push heavy graphical effects to do something we can't even dream of, and something has to get gimped between resolution and framerate, you can guarantee the resolution will be downscaled.

You're right in that devs get to understand the hardware better as the gen goes on, but that doesn't mean they won't nudge it down a bit if that becomes a requirement.

I can see early on there being some 900p games on PS4, but not later. Once they get the hang of it (2-3 years down the road), all games should run 1080p without sacrificing graphical features.
 

Smokey

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I just wanna say I canceled my Xbone preorder and change it to ps4 because of these news. I still wish I can use Xbone controller on ps4.

I did the same yesterday. Was thinking of it anyway and but this sealed it. I am of the opinion that the dual shock is not good. I vastly prefer the 360 controller, and despite what people have said I have my doubts about the DS4.


don't really have a choice now tho..
 
I did the same yesterday. Was thinking of it anyway and but this sealed it. I am of the opinion that the dual shock is not good. I vastly prefer the 360 controller, and despite what people have said I have my doubts about the DS4.


don't really have a choice now tho..

but we don't know anymore than we did.

it'll be nice to see how these things get on in the wild though.
 
Do you not know who CBOAT is? I mean, I'm a friggin' Junior and I know. Ò_ô

from what I can see, someone with a close ear to the rumour mill, or bloody good at guessing.

not always right which suggests not all that close and probably not actually an ms staffer.

do you know?

long history here though and people seem to trust him. a dev?
 

marvin83

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if what they say were true, and they know what cboat refers to, does this mean they have an idea who cboat is?

or simply that they know the only instances of this are in the test units (and it that were true thancboat isn't all that close).

be nice to find out.

I don't think anyone knows who CBOAT is. And I do believe he is pretty close; his accuracy is uncanny.
 
from what I can see, someone with a close ear to the rumour mill, or bloody good at guessing.

not always right which suggests not all that close and probably not actually an ms staffer.

do you know?

long history here though and people seem to trust him. a dev?

Because you can guess new games right and show gifs for them?

Are you serious right now?


He called remember me 2 months earlier than the first trailer and leaked a gif for it as well as calling Dead Rising 3 a year early
 

Pain

Banned
from what I can see, someone with a close ear to the rumour mill, or bloody good at guessing.

not always right which suggests not all that close and probably not actually an ms staffer.

do you know?

long history here though and people seem to trust him. a dev?
If we knew who he was he wouldn't be here. That's the beauty of the internet. Anonymity.
 

Red Mage

Member
from what I can see, someone with a close ear to the rumour mill, or bloody good at guessing.

not always right which suggests not all that close and probably not actually an ms staffer.

do you know?

long history here though and people seem to trust him. a dev?

In the company I work for, not every division knows what everything about what the others are doing. You guys complaining about him not being 100% accurate must work for really small businesses.
 
In the company I work for, not every division knows what everything about what the others are doing. You guys complaining about him not being 100% accurate must work for really small businesses.

Not to mention that shockingly things can actually change at certain points along the way

His track record is easily the best we have for leaks

I would love to have another leaker who even came close to his accuracy

I don't get the complaints or the doubts
 

DogMeat77

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if what they say were true, and they know what cboat refers to, does this mean they have an idea who cboat is?

or simply that they know the only instances of this are in the test units (and it that were true thancboat isn't all that close).

be nice to find out.

That quote isn't in context at all. It was from the reddit thread where "XboxDev" was responding to someone asking him if he realized that there were other XBO developers on reddit.

Crap article just reciting randomly disjointed information from GAF and reddit.
 
I can see early on there being some 900p games on PS4, but not later. Once they get the hang of it (2-3 years down the road), all games should run 1080p without sacrificing graphical features.

graphics on fixed hardware is a fixed sum game - later in the gen sub 1080p 30fps games are inevitable once we reach the limit of what is possible with 1080p
 
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