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Xbox One will provide live NFL games at a blazing 60fps
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would be kinda cool. but if they are just doubling the frames, lol.
infinityBCRT
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Dude. 1080i60 gets converted to 1080p60 on the fly by all modern TVs if the content is above 30fps. It's not as good as 1080p, but given modern filters the difference is super minimal. Sometimes you can see weird artifacts with fast motion but you'd have to know to look for it.
If the content is 24fps or 30fps coming from a 1080i signal, then that content gets converted into a perfect 1080p signal with no artifacts as there's no missing info. With 60fps content there is interpolation that needs to be done to display it on a 1080p panel, but it still is 60fps
it was merely a light hearted comment, a joke.
granted i don't care about the framerate when i'm watching sports, i can still see this is good news for those who do.
Ugh. Why do I enter threads like this. It only hurts me on the inside.
+1
I don't see the point in having this with football, there is so little actual movement, most of the time is just them standing around and setting up the huddle
oh yes, I went there 
Dreams-Visions
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I'm interested.
RedAssedApe
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Is this like the stuff some tvs already do? Motion interpolation or something like that?
SenjutsuSage
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Seeing it broadcasted at 60fps could be pretty interesting. As far as I'm currently aware, that doesn't currently happen on television, at least not that I'm aware of. Will it be a proper 60fps broadcast?
People seem to be a bit confused on this stuff.
60 hz power line frequency isn't the same thing as a 60 fps video source. When you turn your TV to HDMI-1 and it says something like "1080p 60h" for that source, that's referring to hz, not necessarily fps. You can't take a 30fps1080p signal and turn it into a 60fps720p output. This isn't taking two surrounding frames to create an intermediate frame, which causes problems for...well, most people who haven't just spent the money on a TV with that feature. Standard broadcast TV runs at ~29.97 fps, as do most DVDs and Blurays.
Every sports fan I've ever encountered has been impressed by the limited exposure they've had to 60 fps sports broadcasts, even those who hated the artificial 120 hz processing on some HDTVs and the bizarre effect of HFR implementation in cinema settings. If you want to have it put into words, read up on the "Persistence of Vision Theory."
This is a cool selling point for sports fans, and something not offered elsewhere on anything close to this scale.
60 hz power line frequency isn't the same thing as a 60 fps video source. When you turn your TV to HDMI-1 and it says something like "1080p 60h" for that source, that's referring to hz, not necessarily fps. You can't take a 30fps1080p signal and turn it into a 60fps720p output. This isn't taking two surrounding frames to create an intermediate frame, which causes problems for...well, most people who haven't just spent the money on a TV with that feature. Standard broadcast TV runs at ~29.97 fps, as do most DVDs and Blurays.
Every sports fan I've ever encountered has been impressed by the limited exposure they've had to 60 fps sports broadcasts, even those who hated the artificial 120 hz processing on some HDTVs and the bizarre effect of HFR implementation in cinema settings. If you want to have it put into words, read up on the "Persistence of Vision Theory."
This is a cool selling point for sports fans, and something not offered elsewhere on anything close to this scale.
Hopefully everyone who buys any console does it with disposable income
Sounds like it is part of the NFL app which is part of the deal Microsoft and the NFL have for the next 3 years. This will only be available on Xbox One.
I'll get excited when I see more details.
I will caveat that the NFL deal was a big part of what excites me about the xbox one - NFL, and sporting events, are a huge part of my life. I will be doubly excited if they bring this to the World Cup or at least MLS/EPL next season.
I am a cable cutter so their strategy is a bit disconcerting - and counter intuitive. You need a cable subscription to get NFL channel but you then don't use your cable but watch it on an app on the Xbox? That makes absolutely no sense.
Either way, stoked if it's as neat as the idea implies.
I will caveat that the NFL deal was a big part of what excites me about the xbox one - NFL, and sporting events, are a huge part of my life. I will be doubly excited if they bring this to the World Cup or at least MLS/EPL next season.
I am a cable cutter so their strategy is a bit disconcerting - and counter intuitive. You need a cable subscription to get NFL channel but you then don't use your cable but watch it on an app on the Xbox? That makes absolutely no sense.
Either way, stoked if it's as neat as the idea implies.
Is it? so people wont be able to watch NFL on ipads/pcs/etc?
Unless Canada is behind in the times (which is likely), nothing broadcasts at 1080P via cable or satellite
It is already 720P or 1080i
infinityBCRT
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NHL and UFC do it in their apps.
entremet
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Thank you.
Does MLB? I was debating whether to buy into their ps app last season.
With this specific process? No. There is the NFL Mobile app from Verizon, which is similar to this in where a company has locked up NFL to their platforms and can offer certain benefits. The benefit here would be games at 720p60 while Verizon has NFL Redzone and primetime regular season games for their customers.
Also, this is similar to DirecTV's Sunday Ticket. Again, a company locking down a deal with the NFL to offer a service specific to them.
If you're watching broadcast TV in Canada, you're seeing 1080i which is 60 fields per second, not frames per second. Or, you can choose 720p and get a progressive 30 frames per second.
The guy who wrote the article for Digital Trends is a terrible writer. The source article does a much better job explaining where this content is coming from without any marketing speak like "Blazing" or "lightening-fast".
http://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2014/01/nfl-network-to-stream-live-on-xbox-one
http://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2014/01/nfl-network-to-stream-live-on-xbox-one
looks smooth as 60 to me, I must be getting 720p. what's the difference? and why is everyone in here saying sports is usually 30fps?
Northern Lights
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Don't see why you would watch sport games on Xbox one when there's the tv channel you can watch.
Sons Of Anarchy
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This thread is the best.
Film/tv is shot differently. Most things are 23.976 now. Sports have been messing with live capture at higher frame rates for a bit.
Also this is pointless with only red zone / Thursday nights games.
If the direct tv discussions fall threw then it has a real chance to be something.
But then that will still leave Sunday and Monday night games...
Film/tv is shot differently. Most things are 23.976 now. Sports have been messing with live capture at higher frame rates for a bit.
Also this is pointless with only red zone / Thursday nights games.
If the direct tv discussions fall threw then it has a real chance to be something.
But then that will still leave Sunday and Monday night games...
You should probably read the thread.
Pretty much all TV in North America is broadcast at 30fps (well, 29.97 but we won't get into drop frames). 1080i is 30fps, because it's actually 60 fields per second - a field being half an image. Each of the two fields get combined into a single frame, thus 60 interlaced fields = 30 frames. The reason 1080i is superior for sports, is that the motion can be captured across both fields, so two fields can show a better high motion than one progressive frame.
yankeehater
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This sounds amazing. I loved both Hobbit movies in HFR, I would love to see live TV in 60fps.
I the saw the 48fps 3D version of The Hobbit. It blew my mind! Incredible.
SwiftDeath
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But is it a stable 60?
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Danny Dudekisser
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This is a step in the right direction for these sorts of services. I used to use NBA Leaguepass' online thing, but it was too choppy to be enjoyable. Hopefully, they'll follow.
Yes, they shoot on Sony HDC-1500s, at 1080p 60 FRAMES per second.
RiccochetJ
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If it provides a better experience, then I'm not sure why you wouldn't.
I know it is sarcasm, but you will need a stable connection as there is no buffering. Netflix buffers, so its pretty smooth. I'm really interested to see how well this goes over.
I guess the no buffering is because they don't want people being 5 or 10 seconds behind the actual live action?
It's a 6mbps stream? At 60fps? So it's essentially equivalent in picture quality to a 3mbps stream at 30fps that we normally see?
That sounds like a step backward. What's the point in having 60fps if there is macroblocking, shimmering, and other artifacts present in the picture?
Also, how did the NFL strike this deal when DirecTV still has the monopoly on being able to show every game outside of your regional coverage? Or is that over after this year?
Netflix Super HD is 7mbps for 1080p30, so 720p60 at 6mbps seems comperable.
SEGAvangelist
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Well of course DirectTV only offers this right now, but 60fps for only a few games a year is kinda meh.