Rapist isn't equivalent to sexual assault, which you can still be guilty of if you haven't raped someone.
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Rapist isn't equivalent to sexual assault, which you can still be guilty of if you haven't raped someone.
This is what EL said to the mods on Saturday night. This is why the fallout has been so big. If EL just came out and said, "I'm a fucking moron" many posters probably would've come back. Instead EL took the GG approach and fucked it all up. The "wait for the facts" people need to shut the hell up because it's too late for that and doesn't even matter now because of his response. If you're cool with victim blaming, then cool, you'll be in good company on NeoGAF. The rest of us don't want to be associated with that shit.
nature boy
Member
Are you volunteering to mod thousands of posts? You're being very unreasonable here
Rushersauce
Banned
Holy shit. Thank you.
Caipirinha
Member
The term SJW has definite alt right connotations and when I first saw it I had the same thought as you, although the explanation that poster gave was a very good one - whatever word there is to describe those kinds of people, GAF is full of that shit. Calling them SJWs pretty much just kills any chance those posters will have of self-reflection though, so I think it should be avoided.
PhantomThief
Banned
It is NOT a witch hunt. This is based on Malka's own words. He called her mentally unstable instead of saying yea I fucked up.
This is the straw that broke the camels back, see mod issues in the past, Amirox arrest and 0 transparancy from the mod/admin team.
Another person pretending I'm saying something again in order to win an argument and look good? Is this the only tactic some of you guys have when there's no argument left to be had?
It sounded more like Emily Rogers was another admin joinging ERA (and Nicole being a different person). I thought Laura had an official GAF-Account just like Jim Sterling or Angry Joe.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Is this the part of the thread where I flex my 11-year / 17,000 post history?
Not really intending to just hit the nuke button and bounce but this is the first time on this site that I've had a really bad feeling about its future.
BLAUcopter
Gold Member
She says he xxxxxxxx = BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!!
He says she's xxxxxxxx = BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!!
Go to other threads. Place getting swarmed by alt-righters. Even here in this thread. I mean actual hateful bigoted people, not just people who don't conform to Basadaian/ "far left"(not really) thought. Thankfully they are getting banned.
PhantomThief
Banned
Tell me what you mean by saying SJW's ruined this forum.
UnblessedSoul
Member
Sexual assault is when you force yourself upon someone physically, which he did not do. Calm down
eso76
Member
Because her point wasn't ruining Evilore (why would she ? they even had a relationship AFTER the incident).
And her posting this in her private FB could simply mean she was confident this wouldn't reach persons who could give a different version of the story.
We can play devil's advocate for both sides, given what we know i am not ready to believe either. Certainly looks like she wasn't exactly traumatized by the episode
By far the worst thing Malka definitely did (mind you, i have been here since 2004 and i had no idea about *any* of this prior to saturday) was leaking those pics. And to clarify, that's absolutely bad enough for me.
that, it might be.
Souldriver
Member
And suddenly Neogaf has become like any random comments section on a news site or facebook.
All I know is I'm sad that the off-topic is gone, and when back won't be about society and politics anymore. It was a big part of what made Neogaf great, and different from the rest of the web.
Lastly I hope all of those involved and wronged in this incident, get the support they need.
All I know is I'm sad that the off-topic is gone, and when back won't be about society and politics anymore. It was a big part of what made Neogaf great, and different from the rest of the web.
Lastly I hope all of those involved and wronged in this incident, get the support they need.
Albino_Yeti
Member
It will go away in time. Everyone's just swarming right now because of the whole ordeal. Mods will clean the place up.
Subpar Scrub
Banned
Well over 4000 posts and I don't care if I get nuked.
Old Empire.
Member
A woman who later had a sexual relationship with the accused. This is just a witch hunt by bored people on the internet.
SOME-MIST
Member
I'm assuming you've never done cross fit then
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
If she called him mentally unstable would that be fucked up?
MontyBrown
Banned
They will be banned and vanish. It's just chaotic at the moment.
Ignore them and focus on the people who aren't just shitposting.
GAF is obviously not going to turn into an alt-right forum.
Well that was not my intention. The intention was that someone using that game as their avatar while at the same time going in hard against sexual harassment sounds hollow to me. Im sorry if that came out wrong.
Thing is. Evilore was drunk, now while that is not an excuse, I have to repeat myself. I have had several female friends join me in the shower, without me asking or telling them too. Beeing very drunk often leads to people lowering their social barriers.
Mind you this was me beeing in the shower and having closed the door. Said girl went to the shower and left the door open. We dont know if Evilore heard her vomit. But if he didnt I cannot blame him for missunderstanding her intentions here. She said no and he didnt press on. It was a poor decision, yes, but acting like he assaulted or even harrassed her is ridiculous.
SuperBanana
Banned
So him posting revenge porn and openly admitting to sexually assaulting a girl on the past is also a witch hunt? Even if this event is a lie he's still done disgusting things in the past. The fact he's now gutted half the site to silence it shows his guilt.
Let me get you a dictionary.
Merriam Webster:
US Department of Justice:
The levels of deniability for this dude is unreal, if this were a Republican congressman he would be absolutely torn apart on this forum.
The thing is people knew about all this before, why wait until now to leave the site?
Even the moderators that left in disgust, if they were that morally sound, why didn't they leave after the first two events?
It just all seems convenient to me, and as usual things only get used when it suits someone's agenda. At the time what happened wasn't bad enough to leave, but all of a sudden it's being brought up as really terrible?!
beato_angelico
Member
I would guess people with old accounts coming back to thrash the place, and people who would be silent that now think might get some "revenge" on the former mods. Even in a best case scenario the first days will be unstable and troubleful.
PhantomThief
Banned
Subpar Scrub
Banned
He harassed her. Walking up to someone whilst completely naked when they're in a stupified state is 100% not okay.
You aren't reading the same posts as I am then.
Oh well. I wish I had posted more while I got the chance. It was fun while it lasted.
Get fucked Evilore. You're just a coward who can't face all the disgusting shit that you have done. Retire bitch.
Sorry if my english isn't perfect but I really wanted to get the point across.
Laterz.
Get fucked Evilore. You're just a coward who can't face all the disgusting shit that you have done. Retire bitch.
Sorry if my english isn't perfect but I really wanted to get the point across.
Laterz.
SuperBanana
Banned
Many people didn't know. I didn't. It was brought to light now. It doesn't matter when it came to light, what matters is the event. You shouldn't support a sexual abuser.
Old Empire.
Member
I can'r read his mind? If i was to guess. Why is she talking about this now after breaking up after a sexual relationship? I don't understand either why this is a big deal he did not touch her in the shower. She told him to leave and she admits he left.
I agree. But she was very drunk too and so was he. Why did she leave the door open while getting in the shower?? That is NOT a normal thing to do. At least in Denmark where I come from thats a pretty clear sign.
PhantomThief
Banned
Whatever happened, his statement is shit. Should have just said I fucked up, misread the signals.
Then it would be no big deal ( or at least still something but not this. ).
Most people didn't know about any of this. I'd have been saying "fuck Evilore" for as long as I'd have been on here if I knew about the revenge porn and other sexual assault situation (fucking unbelievable the lengths defenders are willing to go for someone who has sexually assaulted someone more than once).
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Well yeah. Just gives the impression that it's more about undercutting the other side's credibility instead of addressing the criticism itself.
Not really sure why we're debating hypotheticals in the first place, though.
It was certainly known by many people, the ass grab was obviously posted by Evilore himself (otherwise no one else would have known) and the revenge porn incident was mentioned on this forum.
I appreciate not everyone knew, but my comment was aimed at people who were aware. I just feel if their morals were as strong as they claim, then they certainly wouldn't have had to wait for a third "event" to happen to leave....
I don't think anyone has defended his actions. I think what's happening is people are trying to put things into reality. The things Evilore has done, while bad are not as serious as some people are trying to portray.
I've seen some people trying to pitch this as equal to rape, it's not, and it's an insult to anyone that actually has been raped.
Old Empire.
Member
Stop being prudes. Some men interact with women differently when drunk. If she tells you to stop and you don't, only then i see a problem!
appaws
Banned
Fine, I won't use that term if it makes it impossible to have a conversation.
I don't think anybody "ruined" gaf. I love gaf most of the time. I just think a particular brand of far-left intolerance made it quite difficult to disagree with any majority held opinion here. Especially on socio-political topics.
I don't have any real problem with what people call "dogpiling" in that it just means that you are outnumbered and there is nothing wrong with that.
My problem is the name calling and the outright bans of dissenters.
Subpar Scrub
Banned
She was both heavily drunk and "mentally unstable" according to Evilore, how can you expect her actions to be normal? Maybe she thought she closed the door, maybe not, but you don't just assume "Yeah, she'll want me naked in there with her", and if drinking makes you assume that, that's your fault. Self-stupification isn't a defence for sexual harassment.
Mahadev
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I don't think it's only because they're comfortable though, although there's a reason these movements flourish in expensive colleges. It goes deeper than that, corporate media and in extension neoliberalism is consciously trying to redefine "left" as a rigid social movement.
Why rigid? Because it'll create such dissent and hate that even the lower classes will ignore their actual problems and focus on empty social drama with absolutely no solution in sight. Not that it has worked as expected, Sanders is an unforeseen development for them but they have certainly succeeded at dividing a large part of the population.
dealer-
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Yeah it's not serious rape but it could be classed as sexual assault. It is what it is though. He exposed himself fully when she didn't want him to. Just because he got out doesn't right that wrong. It's like flashing in the street. Think about the other person. They don't want to see it.
Probably because the response to all of this has been woefully inept. .
Your crossfit box has so few single stall showers that you need to double up? Like, inches from one another? While one person is loudly vomiting? Who's jumpin' in the shower with the puking person?
We're not talking about some group shower built for multiple people here, that's nowhere near an equivalent to a fucking hotel shower. Come on man.
Oh I guess it's ok if he was drunk and posted someone else's nudes and grabbed anothers ass.
Speaking of ass, please remove your head from it.
I don't know, reading this new context adds to this gut feeling I have this is a big mess about nothing.
biggersmaller
Banned
Agreed. The seriousness of the Leupp allegation is dubious given new information and follow-up statements she made. This is an overblown story. However, Malka has damned himself as an unsympathetic figure in the face of controversy, especially after lying about Goldberg and the hypocritical moderation of his site where a user raising similar points for anyone else being accused of such behavior would certainly be banned.
Essentially, Malka needs a good PR guy.
Wow, "being against bigotry is radical leftist shit" and "mods biased against Xbox, more like SonyGAF, am I right??" in one post.
Congrats.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
Because maybe she is mentally unstable. Maybe she acts in ways that would make somebody think this. I find this idea that its impossible to question anything she says to be stupid. Its just as likely both she and evilore are idiots.
I do think its wonderfully ironic that NeoGAF is being brought down by the culture it tried so hard to cultivate however. The moderation here has always been awful, starting with Evilore, and now the community left is a bunch of hysterics.
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