Interfectum
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If Nintendo doesn't fuck up they could have a pretty epic year as Sony/MS try this new console push.
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Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info
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If Nintendo doesn't fuck up they could have a pretty epic year as Sony/MS try this new console push.
LOL, not happening. It will be an option for the hardest of the hardcore that can't stay satisfied.
They'll be happily playing their ps4
TheFNEffecT
Member
So no exclusive NEO games is good but I gotta wonder if we are heading towards a scenario where a game runs on the base PS4 at like 15 FPS at a crappy res vs the NEO running it at a solid 30 or even 60 at full 1080p or higher.
KawabataSan
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giantbomb source is from devnet site
I can say 100%. Same where I know this.
I can say 100%. Same where I know this.
zackmorris
Member
So for the laymen how much of an improvement is this? Other than the 4K output stuff.
Their reaction will be:
1) Nice. Gonna sell my OG PS4 & buy the PS4K (me)
2) Meh. I'm satisfied with my OG PS4. (others)
Too bad. Some will go, new customers/gamers will jump in. Balance.
That would make zero sense. From a business standpoint, it would be suicide.
Don't use this thread or forum as any indication of how the mass population will react. Most people will be fine paying $250-$300 for the base model and people like us will fork over the extra money for a premium product. Simple. Most people won't even care and they'll just buy the cheaper model
CosmicQueso
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You're looking at them.
zackmorris
Member
Why? It doesn't really change any argument. It's still a complete console. It's just coming in 3 years instead of 5-6.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Some will be disappointed but if you like new toys you'll be no doubt be excited and i'm thankful Sony are taking a risk here.
Bots are better than you
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Why? Because his/her own subjective view and opinion are oppsing yours?
Not everyone is all happy sunshine about this thing, mainly because it changes one of the biggest differences between consoles and PCs.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Interesting any more juice?
wild wild rice
Member
The ball is 100% in Nintendo's court at this point. For the most part, I have not been impressed with what Microsoft and Sony are doing this gen.
zackmorris
Member
Except Nintendo doesn't have a great track record for 3rd party support.
Mediking
Member
Pretty much. The tech guys are the ones really supporting this stuff. They'll prolly be the same guys cheering for another PS4K upgrade in the next 2-3 years.
And_Gignac
Member
..same again for PS4K when released?
This gif says a lot of things about humanity. Mostly ugly things.
I was waiting for FFXV to hit to get a PS4. Now I don't know what to do.
It depends on the game, in killer instinct, quantum break and hitman GCN cards are massively out performing their NV counterparts to the point where the perf/watt of GCN and Maxwell is actually pretty similar.
The PS4 neo will be using something nased on Polaris 10, they might even use Polaris 11 for the standard console die shrink due to the costs involved in re designing the current GCN architecture to 14nm finfet.
The CPU is different because most of jaguar is designed by automated tools so redesigning that for 14nm is much easier than the GPU which is largely designed by hand.
KawabataSan
Member
Nothing really. Like before, the giantbomb cover what i know because it is same documents we have and also we know it was coming from before.
its more accurate than other website before. But i work for third party dev. not sony. so no idea on more info
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
You don't buy a Nintendo console for 3rd party games.
thekiddfran
Member
Fucking awful if true.
How are Sony going to sell this?
There is literally nothing good that can come out of this. Nobody wanted this console.
Now the devs have to patch their games and create two versions of the same game.
but why?
The PS4 is murdering right now. There is no need for a new console
JUST WAIT UNTIL 2018 and release the PS5 with full backwards compatibility with PS4 games
How are Sony going to sell this?
There is literally nothing good that can come out of this. Nobody wanted this console.
Now the devs have to patch their games and create two versions of the same game.
but why?
The PS4 is murdering right now. There is no need for a new console
JUST WAIT UNTIL 2018 and release the PS5 with full backwards compatibility with PS4 games
Neff
Member
Well I'm buying one anyway, but if 3rd party on NX falls through, I'll keep an eye on XB1-2. An incremental upgrade of the same console isn't an attractive idea to me, and I don't think Sony is wise to be splitting up their market when they're in a comfortable lead.
zackmorris
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Yeah that's my point. The person I replied to said he would get a NX instead of this. That's great, except with nintendos track record with 3rd parties it's not viable as you're only gaming device(console or PC). Also the NX really needs to change that way of thinking for it to be a success. People want to play 3rd party games and most house holds don't own multiple consoles.
McHuj
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In stores and online retailers?
zackmorris
Member
Did you read the information? How are they splitting their market?
John Wick
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33% speed per core will help. Also how many games truly take advantage of more than 4 cores??? As games become more mutithreaded the CPU won't be as bad as some think. Also with the better GPU it could take some of the tasks from the CPU
If their stance entirely hinged on "have to upgrade every few years" or "I don't want to spend money every few years" then sure that'd be hypocritical. But there are and always have been plenty of other reasons as to why someone can largely favor a console experience over a pc one, and those folks can very well be excited for this without it seeming hypocritical.
TheCanisDirus
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By the 18-wheeler full. Tell that to everybody in line midnight in front of GameStop and BestBuy in a few months.
thelastword
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Just below a 390, above a 380, so about a 970 or slightly better.
Which is the point, AMD GPU's were never weak which their tflops showed, but more so hampered by drivers and cpu overhead as opposed to Nvidia. No need for DX12 on the PS4 because it's has a low level api already, so of course I was making the distinction between AMD hardware in general. That Nvidia Tflops comment is unfounded, without proper software to utilize and take advantage of the hardware, it really doesn't matter how powerful your hardware is.
So using Nvidia's dx11 dominance to prove that it's tflops means more is a bit disingenuous.
TheFNEffecT
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Doesn't this happen in the mobile scene already? iPhone 6 games can run on iPhone 5 but...ughh...do you really want to?
Could be wrong and I agree it would be suicide.
they're giving them something they didn't even know they wanted!
Mister Megative
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Complicated
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It would be pretty dumb if there wasn't another in a few years. I like the idea of having a choice of 2-3 consoles at different prices and power whenever I feel like buying a new one. Keeping them uniformly supported and maintaining plug and play for the masses is the key to it. As long as they get that right it's all upside compared to the current console business.
I want it. Read the thread. Others want it, too. Don't speak for others.
You don't want it? Don't buy it. It's only an option. All games will run on both.
Once I was more or less convinced that the initial leaks were correct, I thought that Sony will not have any problem selling this updated PS4. Apart from designing the best product in terms of features/price, they have been the best in marketing in the last console transition.
My thoughts were that Sony will make it very clear that PS4 owners will not lose anything, all games compatible, etc. They will insist a lot on this aspect when the announcement happens: no one loses by staying with their PS4. It is not that Sony does not want all new buyers to opt for the NEO, or that all early adopters upgrade. They want that, but they also want that customers feel they are not forced, that this is their decision to upgrade. That is how they control the backslash.
I am convinced it will work, and people will chose the PS4 NEO if the price is under 400. Then when there are 40 million PS4 NEO in december 2018, we will see what is the effect on games running on PS4; my prediction, it will be notable.
My thoughts were that Sony will make it very clear that PS4 owners will not lose anything, all games compatible, etc. They will insist a lot on this aspect when the announcement happens: no one loses by staying with their PS4. It is not that Sony does not want all new buyers to opt for the NEO, or that all early adopters upgrade. They want that, but they also want that customers feel they are not forced, that this is their decision to upgrade. That is how they control the backslash.
I am convinced it will work, and people will chose the PS4 NEO if the price is under 400. Then when there are 40 million PS4 NEO in december 2018, we will see what is the effect on games running on PS4; my prediction, it will be notable.
At some point we have to accept that nothing about this is comparable to the mobile scene. Sure, they have incremental upgrades like this and people willingly participate, but those devices are completely different than consoles. They occupy completely different spaces in our lives.
To be fair, he's correct in that before the idea of this was even floating around as a rumor, no one was asking for a mildly upgraded slate of our current consoles.
I mean, maybe someone was asking for it, but I sure as hell didn't see it.
giant_frying_pan
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Apologies if this has been covered, but Jeff Gerstmann just confirmed on his Mixlr stream that September releases will require day one patches to include Neo support.
The main title affected being Final Fantasy XV, of course.
The main title affected being Final Fantasy XV, of course.
thelastword
Banned
Lol, it's always the guys speaking with such authority, like they know for a fact that NEO was not a thing, calling for bans even on Kotaku or on users who hold a different opinion. These last few months have been something I tell you.
Luckydog
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Why would MS even release a console in that range. I have no idea if those specs could be true, but for the sake of argument, lets say that is correct. Given the power gap between PS4 and XBO, does it really make sense to release a new box that is still significantly behind PS4 just to keep from falling farther behind?
VincentMatts
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Can someone explain the GPU difference? Is this a big jump or just improved?
Interfectum
Member
Yeah I think they have the best chance of creating real, new excitement outside of Sony's VR push.
And to hell with that noise. I am not going to be ready for a new PS and Xbox until probably around 2019 at the earliest.
thekiddfran
Member
You didn't want it before it was rumoured to even exist.
You didn't buy the PS4 and go "I wish I could get a new PS4 in two years that is slightly more powerful"
This is going to confuse consumers and piss off early adopters who now have the shit PS4.
You buy a console with the hope that you are getting games that push the console. Now the console you spent 399 on is the worst version.
Also, resale value of normal PS4 is going to crash. Who is going to want the shit version now?
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