Just because its not official, does not make it untrue. That was the reason i gave you the Bill Clinton example in the first place.
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Digital Foundry Admits To Botching Battlefield 4 PS4/XB1 Video Capture
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Just because its not official, does not make it untrue. That was the reason i gave you the Bill Clinton example in the first place.
crazygambit
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Maybe I'm too naive, but I honestly don't think they did it on purpose, they pretty much destroy the Xbone in the text. That's the problem with these publisher events, so I guess we'll have to wait till launch for proper comparisons.
even for preview they should have standards, I'm talking about the video of course,i didn't even comment in the original thread, it's not hate, I'm just pointing that they need to delete these video and start over as they should, if it's honest mistake or on purpose i don't care no one will ever know the true intentions of any person but what they do and say that define them.
travisbickle
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They better tell people how they botched it up, there's a lot of GAFers in the other thread saying it looks great!
MagicWithEarvin
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For YouTube recording purposes, there's virtually no difference in quality from what I've seen. Both use USB 2.0, but the LGP has the edge with a 60Mbps bitrate. I like the software for Elgato better, though.
Anyway, carry on.
I agree. It's true, I just have a problem with the thread title.
This guy may feel pressure from his employers now for making an 'official' statement on their behalf which has spread across the net when he even said it wasn't.
yeah. DF got owned by JF and IGN. and got owned Hard.
DF isn't a place to be trusted with this kind of stuff anymore.
Most of those Gafers probably saw this thread already, but decided not to acknowledge it.
Agreed 100%.
And they will update it - Eurogamer has never not admitted when something goes wrong and DF is part of their network. But, again, it's been a few hours since it went live. I think they deserve a full day before people start asking for their head.
Also, as mentioned before, it is titled 'preview' comparison because they likely foresaw issues with the capture footage happening (and the possibility of day one patches such as the inclusion of AO into the Xone mentioned on twitter). There will definitely be a new article but whether or not that's tomorrow or once the consoles launch is up in the air.
But, like I said, I see no reason why they wouldn't (or shouldn't) update the opening line of their article to explain the situation.
Caayn
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Adam Orth?
GAF is not just a message board for OFFICIAL STATEMENTS and PR pieces, in fact id argue the forums greatness is cutting through all that garbage and getting to the core and most important information.
I think so too, but you know, new-gen specs-thread paranoia and all that...
Hydrargyrus
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They have admited that because it was obvious, not because they wanted to do it...
phosphor112
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XBOX ONE IS USING LIMITED RGB
XBox One DF Original Screen
RGB Levels "Limited" - No sharpen added
RGB Levels "Limited" - Sharpen Added
Crushing the levels to Limited RGB and "Sharpen More" (one time) for the PS4 picture replicates the XO results.
The sharpening filter must be something on the xbox version, the RGB Levels is 100% DF's fault.
They had multiple days there, capturing footage which they would have checked was valid over and over again to ensure they had footage for their articles. Indeed I can't think of anyone who would not have checked the initial footage to ensure the equipment was working at all, especially when working with a brand new device.
I can't fathom how it's remotely possible they did not know what was happening here, right from the start. In my opinion this was an attempt to make the XBO footage appear better than it actually is in comparison, and hope as many people as possible would just accept it as is. The article just seems to grudgingly admit some aspects of the PS4 version are a little bit better, but in no way offers a fair comparison we are seeing from other sites.
On top of this they then wrote an article using all this garbage footage, and instead of ensuring that they informed all readers in the very first paragraph that it was all messed up and they would be re-doing it fairly as soon as possible they went with what they had and created the side by side comparisons? Instead there was a brief mention that there might have an little issue with 'something', but don't worry nothing important. Oh please...
Luckily they got called out on this quickly, but it's nothing new for them, and strangely every time they screw up like this it always makes the Microsoft console look better in comparison to competition? There is also a history of not admitting to mistakes when they have clearly messed up. (deliberately of not)
I'm not getting either console as I can't afford one till next year, but it makes me sad that so many other people(not fans who will always buy only one brand) are going in to this not having enough real information about these consoles to make an informed choice.
I can't fathom how it's remotely possible they did not know what was happening here, right from the start. In my opinion this was an attempt to make the XBO footage appear better than it actually is in comparison, and hope as many people as possible would just accept it as is. The article just seems to grudgingly admit some aspects of the PS4 version are a little bit better, but in no way offers a fair comparison we are seeing from other sites.
On top of this they then wrote an article using all this garbage footage, and instead of ensuring that they informed all readers in the very first paragraph that it was all messed up and they would be re-doing it fairly as soon as possible they went with what they had and created the side by side comparisons? Instead there was a brief mention that there might have an little issue with 'something', but don't worry nothing important. Oh please...
Luckily they got called out on this quickly, but it's nothing new for them, and strangely every time they screw up like this it always makes the Microsoft console look better in comparison to competition? There is also a history of not admitting to mistakes when they have clearly messed up. (deliberately of not)
I'm not getting either console as I can't afford one till next year, but it makes me sad that so many other people(not fans who will always buy only one brand) are going in to this not having enough real information about these consoles to make an informed choice.
Cheesecakebobby
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This only matters if they made the PS4 version look worse than it really is. If people think the XBO version looks good because of the settings, well great for them! They can fiddle around with their TV and achieve the same effect. There's no way that DF could make it objectively better, ie achieve a higher frame rate or upgrade the textures. The question therefore is whether the PS4 version will look better than it does in those videos, assuming we have our TVs set up correctly.
Paracelsus
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Average Joe reads article, expects a slaughter. Average Joe then looks at the video, sees nothing of the sort.
"Well, maybe we made a bigger deal out the hardware gap than it actually was, it doesn't matter which platform I go with".
"Well, maybe we made a bigger deal out the hardware gap than it actually was, it doesn't matter which platform I go with".
I dunno reading that thread last night and seeing how many people were easily fooled and thought the xbox version actually looked better made me think it wasn't as obvious as I thought it was.
The whole thing was really fishy. I just think it's kinda funny how DF always has "problems" with the playstation version of a game.
BrainZEROX
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They make a mistake. They admit it. I can appreciate that. I hope they will update the article once they have free access to the game.
You can replace Digital Foundry with any other place and get pretty much the same result.
Alternatively, never attribute to bias which can attributed to incompetence.
Noone said that. Please don't try to make the situation appear as equally damaging for both consoles because that's a lie.
Glorified G
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Average Joe reads article, expects a slaughter. Average Joe then looks at the video, sees nothing of the sort.
"Well, I'm not the audience that's interested in purchasing a $400-$500 expensive console with such a limited library. Especially since I have a capable ps3/360 that already plays this game. I'll probably exercise common sense an realize there is an audience out there that buys expensive launch consoles and might be more sensitive to this kind of stuff".
NoirVisage
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My first belly laugh of the day, you're beyond clueless.
phosphor112
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It was a stupid mistake. They do it for a living.
too bad , not many read the article
I'd say we all listen to this man's voice of reason and stop the conspiracy theories and witchhunts for now until we know more. The equipment explanation sounds reasonable to me.
We can always continue with the witchhunts if the problem occurs repeatedly in the future.
Time for your meds.
JK
It wasn't enough to have a glowing article on PS4's superiority. The "fans" had to prod them into an apology. Christ they did they best they could under the circumstances. We don't need DF to know the PS4 version will look better on a 1080p tv than the X1 version.
Do we?
It all seems like blood-thirst to bury the X1, but as we can see it's not THAT far behind it's contemporary.
Behind? Yes.
But I feel certain fans were looking for definitive images to bury X1, and I doubt it'll happen any time soon.
Reading the article you can see which version is the most proficient anyway. Not sure why it needs multiple threads.
Do we?
It all seems like blood-thirst to bury the X1, but as we can see it's not THAT far behind it's contemporary.
Behind? Yes.
But I feel certain fans were looking for definitive images to bury X1, and I doubt it'll happen any time soon.
Reading the article you can see which version is the most proficient anyway. Not sure why it needs multiple threads.
Obligatory threadwhining. This is a GAF thread wrapped in an incomplete "news article" wrapped in a GAF thread. Waiting for another blog or website to quote this one for added Xzibit memeability.
Also: Poor dark10x.
Also also: You had one job, DF. For a corporation specializing in video capture and analysis they sure botched this up beyond belief. Tinfoilhattery or no, this is really bad for their reputation.
Also: Poor dark10x.
Also also: You had one job, DF. For a corporation specializing in video capture and analysis they sure botched this up beyond belief. Tinfoilhattery or no, this is really bad for their reputation.
Man-is-Obsolete
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I don't think there is some great conspiracy, but I do think they should pull their video and picture comparisons until they get a chance to capture video again, which may be a few weeks away. Their comparisons aren't even close to what the rest of the media has.
You don't have to expain what DF is, I know. I admit I was being hyberbolic about their capture equipment, but DF had one SINGLE job to do at that review event: capture gameplay footage, and they fucked it up, they were not there to review the game. They make money off capture gear yet was not prepared for next gen, I'm sorry but its embarrassing.
maabus1999
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Threads like this show the dark side of NeoGAF. Some crazy stuff in here...
Textures are about the sane. Player camos and ground textures are randomized so that nay lead some to believe they are better.
You seem to be missing the point that no apology should have been necessary since they should have written in the original article that the screens were not accurate.
Honey Bunny
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They honestly did a disservice to both versions. Crushed blacks on XB1 and blurriness on PS4. I'd like to see them switch out their videos with ones taken with official settings/equipment, and hope they figure out their own shit in time for the next face-off.
no, just people not reading the whole article
JoeyJungle
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And you're beyond hopeless, try reading the article.
And the entire thread makes it look like they hid that there could have been anything wrong with their capturing, when they specifically note that there probably WAS something wrong:
edit:
smh
The_Holy_Puck
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Nothing really. People just mad. ridiculous conspiracy theories.
The only thing this effects is the colors.
The higher resolution, higher framerate, and better effects are all still present on the PS4 version. This means the jaggies and lower framerate are still present on the XB1 version.
This news actually helps the PS4 version if it means the colors will be less washed out on an actual TV.
The higher resolution, higher framerate, and better effects are all still present on the PS4 version. This means the jaggies and lower framerate are still present on the XB1 version.
This news actually helps the PS4 version if it means the colors will be less washed out on an actual TV.
i don't know but the whole situation is bad for them, it's not like they are new site or something, the comparison is awful, i expected professional work from them.
Naive.
PotionBleue
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Still no update displayed on their article. Incredible.
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