playingwithfire
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Lol I'm sure there are a lot of big unannounced Switch and PS4 games too, so whatever
First-party contribution has to be measured in terms of more than direct revenue production. A console that offers a diverse lineup of creative exclusive titles alongside critical darlings and blockbuster hits creates buzz. That kind of positive brand perception sells consoles, which in turn generates revenue from third party content. That's how this industry works, and it's terrifying to think that Microsoft may somehow have lost sight of this basic premise.
Exactly.
Microsoft should've took the bullet and pumped out Ryse 2 and Sunset Overdrive 2.
I'll believe it when I see it.
What are you talking about? MS has released more major games over the last few years than Sony, and between this E3 and next we have Cuphead, Forza 7, Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2, and Sea of Thieves. Four major releases and a smaller game over the course of a year is pretty solid and pretty much their standard. We have no idea when all of Sony's games will actually be released, and I'd be shocked if most of them are before next E3. MS hasn't shown anything beyond next E3 by design. Anyone pretending that means they don't have anything in the works beyond what's announced is trying to spread concern trolling and console wars bullshit.
Look at the number of games released by Sony in 2016 and 2017 and then look at what Microsoft has released. Sony released more stuff, especially if you include VR. Whether you care or not about their offerings is a different matter, but that's a fact.
Sony released/will release 10 retail PS4 games in 2016 and 2017 and Microsoft released/will released 9 retail games for Xbox One during the same time period. To be fair, I didn't count VR because I view that as another platform and I'd compare it to Microsofts VR platform when/if that is released. I'd understand if you want to add it but those VR titles are only playable by a small percentage of PS4 owners.
Where Sony really outnumbered Microsoft was in smaller download games. I think Microsoft has six of those where Sony has over double that. Those small games are important and I agree Microsoft needs to get more of those. However, it's not as if MS doesn't have any of those coming like Cuphead and Ori 2.
What are you talking about? MS has released more major games over the last few years than Sony, and between this E3 and next we have Cuphead, Forza 7, Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2, and Sea of Thieves. Four major releases and a smaller game over the course of a year is pretty solid and pretty much their standard. We have no idea when all of Sony's games will actually be released, and I'd be shocked if most of them are before next E3. MS hasn't shown anything beyond next E3 by design. Anyone pretending that means they don't have anything in the works beyond what's announced is trying to spread concern trolling and console wars bullshit.
2) I'm not sure State of Decay has a release date beyond '2018', so it's a little presumptuous to suggest it will be in the first half of next year.
Hoping GamesCom has some hints about what is happening, or at least something like in the year that starts the ball rolling before next E3. I wonder if they will have anything TGS focused?
I feel like I read something like this before. Maybe it was before E3 this year? Or was it last years E3?
Always looking to the next event in the hope that something will be different.
Well, they certainly have the hardware now, so maybe its the software's turn? Or maybe its just wishful thinking. At least it will be the best place for all my Xbox BC stuff and 3rd party games.
First-party contribution has to be measured in terms of more than direct revenue production. A console that offers a diverse lineup of creative exclusive titles alongside critical darlings and blockbuster hits creates buzz. That kind of positive brand perception sells consoles, which in turn generates revenue from third party content. That's how this industry works, and it's terrifying to think that Microsoft may somehow have lost sight of this basic premise.
Sony released/will release 10 retail PS4 games in 2016 and 2017 and Microsoft released/will released 9 retail games for Xbox One during the same time period. To be fair, I didn't count VR because I view that as another platform and I'd compare it to Microsofts VR platform when/if that is released. I'd understand if you want to add it but those VR titles are only playable by a small percentage of PS4 owners.
Where Sony really outnumbered Microsoft was in smaller download games. I think Microsoft has six of those where Sony has over double that. Those small games are important and I agree Microsoft needs to get more of those. However, it's not as if MS doesn't have any of those coming like Cuphead and Ori 2.
Well, they certainly have the hardware now, so maybe its the software's turn? Or maybe its just wishful thinking. At least it will be the best place for all my Xbox BC stuff and 3rd party games.
Well, they certainly have the hardware now, so maybe its the software's turn? Or maybe its just wishful thinking. At least it will be the best place for all my Xbox BC stuff and 3rd party games.
Another Aaron Greenberg quote that is overpromising and underdelivering, simple as that.
They have good hardware now, which no one is doubting but the software just isn't there. I think just about every game they showed off at E3 was coming to PS4 and/or PC - nothing truly exclusive for the system which makes it a tough sell IMO, especially at $499.
He can talk about how there are ”big unannounced" games for Xbox but it means nothing until we actually see them.
haha yeah sure MS, ok, those games either get canceled or they will be mediocre at best.
Not to get into list warzzzz bullshit but I have no idea where you got those counts. I count 14 Sony first party retail games (not including Nioh, which was Sony published in the west but isn't first party). That count may rise to 15 or 16 depending on whether they give That's You and/or Hidden Agenda retail releases, I've seen retailers listing them but sometimes those are speculative. Then on Microsoft's end, I count 8 first party retail games (not including Dead Rising 4, as it's timed exclusive and isn't first party anyway).
Exactly.
Microsoft should've took the bullet and pumped out Ryse 2 and Sunset Overdrive 2.
Preach!
No reason why it wouldn't stillYup, this needs to happen.
Sony released/will release 10 retail PS4 games in 2016 and 2017 and Microsoft released/will released 9 retail games for Xbox One during the same time period. To be fair, I didn't count VR because I view that as another platform and I'd compare it to Microsofts VR platform when/if that is released. I'd understand if you want to add it but those VR titles are only playable by a small percentage of PS4 owners.
Where Sony really outnumbered Microsoft was in smaller download games. I think Microsoft has six of those where Sony has over double that. Those small games are important and I agree Microsoft needs to get more of those. However, it's not as if MS doesn't have any of those coming like Cuphead and Ori 2.
No reason why it wouldn't still
I was simply counting what has been released so far and what we know for sure will release by the end of this year (assuming no surprise delays).
As for first party, I was just simplifying the list to whether the game was published/released by these companies. Spider-Man is one of the most anticipated titles for the PS4 and that is technically not first party just like State of Decay. I doubt most people know or care if a game was produced internally or externally and I don't have the time, energy or interest in being so pedantic about it.
At the end of the day, yes, Sony has released more PS4 games in 2016 and 2017. No argument there. I'm just saying that by my count the gap is not nearly as large as some would imply. The nature of the business is that you need to have multiple games in the pipeline at various stages of development so if Greenberg says they have more titles incoming, I am inclined to believe him just as I believed Sony and Nintendo when they said the same thing.
Ahaha.I'm sure there is a whiteboard full of them somewhere.
Oh right, cause all xbox console exclusives suck or are mediocre. Am I doing it right?
Every ms thread turns into a ps4 thread
Kinda like this. It starts out being about Xbox but then here comes PS4 out of nowhere.
Another Aaron Greenberg quote that is overpromising and underdelivering, simple as that.
They have good hardware now, which no one is doubting but the software just isnt there. I think just about every game they showed off at E3 was coming to PS4 and/or PC - nothing truly exclusive for the system which makes it a tough sell IMO, especially at $499.
He can talk about how there are big unannounced games for Xbox but it means nothing until we actually see them.
Yep. And I love it.By "truly" exclusive are we referring to "not on PC"?
Because people need to let go of this idea. Microsoft sees PC as part of "their platform". Xbox console only exclusives are a thing of the past.
To the point where Microsoft will give you a free PC version when you buy digital.
Yep. And I love it.
You don't think there are more Xbox games in the works? Do you think video games are ending altogether?