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Apparently Bethesda ripped off a New Vegas mod for a Far Habor Quest in Fallout 4
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adversarial
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Well, if they have to agree to the terms before they upload anything, or by uploading, they are agreeing to those terms, what would the legal recourse be to fight that?
Legitimately curious.
When 99% of the community wastes their time with shitty meme textures and voice packs it's not surprising
disappeared
Banned
With all that Skyrim money you'd think they'd have hired a few new fresh writers at this point, and not resorted to ripping off other peoples' work.
Has their writing staff been essentially the same group of people since the Morrowind days?
Has their writing staff been essentially the same group of people since the Morrowind days?
Wrap it up folks, Cranster says plagiarism is fine if the customer base doesn't know about it.
more like replaced their staff with a random word generator
ShockingAlberto
Member
They almost certainly own it, but it's an incredibly bad look.
I imagine they're either going to go "They're not similar at all!" or throw a quest designer under the bus.
The amount of hate Fallout 4 and Bethesda get's on GAF in general is too much sodium for me to handle.
It's not plagiarism though as Bethesda is the IP holder/publisher of the game itself.
Even if were inclined to take this to court, he'd have a hard time arguing that he has any legal claim to something created with Bethesda-owned software for use in a Bethesda-owned game and is almost entirely composed of Bethesda-owned assets. The lawsuit would only be worthwhile if Bethesda "borrowed" the content he himself created for the mod, such as the voiceover work, as the argument could be made that he owns said content regardless of the legalise in the EULA.
Prophet Steve
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Even if it's legal, this is about the worst way you can treat your modding community.
Even with derivative works you still have copyright on the elements you introduced (although game design ideas don't count, so maybe it doesn't matter). But that's not the case with this agreement.
Even with derivative works you still have copyright on the elements you introduced (although game design ideas don't count, so maybe it doesn't matter). But that's not the case with this agreement.
The Lone Courier
Member
Not a good look Bethdesda.
We don't know if Bethesda copied it or somewhere some lead designer brought forth the idea as their own.
Funny enough I find Las Vegas better looking, side by side Fallout 4 looks extra cartoony.
Or cartoony isn't the right word, textures just look cheap, bright single colored textures.
Funny enough I find Las Vegas better looking, side by side Fallout 4 looks extra cartoony.
Or cartoony isn't the right word, textures just look cheap, bright single colored textures.
Diablohead
Member
how cheeky of them to do such a thing though, if they liked it that much they should have name dropped the guy who made the original and all that.
Shadow Broker
Banned
The creator of the MOD may not have any rights or claim to any $$$ but it would be cool if Bethesda took care of him with some $$$ for the inspiration.
Injecting color was kind of the point.
Fallout 3 and New Vegas were ugly games at time of release.
mysocksarepink
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Jibbajabbawockky
Member
Seriously.
I mean, if the mod creator wound up being an employee or something at Bethesda or had some other connection to them, then the similarities might make some sense. But if this is just some people at Bethesda plagiarizing this mod without giving the original creator any credit, that's incredibly scummy and dishonest.
Given all the language surrounding mods and so forth, its probably legal, but it is so blatantly scummy of Bethesda to do this without crediting the original mod creator in any way shape of form and trying to pass this off as their own. That's just wholesale plagiarism, regardless whether the EULA lets them just swipe anything from any mods they please.
Chairmanchuck
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Did you read the article? Almost the entire questline is "the same".
Baron_Calamity
Member
Hey, today is the last day of GMG Bethesda sale if you want to grab Fallout New Vegas to check out the mod hub bub,
https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/fallout-new-vegas-ultimate-edition/
https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/fallout-new-vegas-ultimate-edition/
Shotgun Kiss
Member
Even of the EULA means the mod creator gives "ownership" of the mod to the developer, I'm pretty sure that just means the mod itself, not the ideas contained within it/concept behind it. After all, there are plenty of mods with copyrighted materials; for example, Thomas the Tank Engine in Skyrim. Bethesda reserve the right to use the Thomas the Tank mod on Steamby putting it in a list of mods, or alter it if it doesn't work, etc. But they obviously can't use Thomas the Tank Engine in whatever the hell they like.
This is the real thing. You'd have to prove without a shadow of a doubt they stole your concept and such, since you have no asset based argument.
As for the whole 'the EULA makes this valid' argument, I'm fairly certain EULAs don't supersede law in the US in the case he tried to argue they stole his conceptual works. Good luck proving it though.
Prophet Steve
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Are you reading the rest of the post or do you just like looking at pictures?
Oh, I realise he could argue that he has the legal right to the original content he created for the mod (e.g. the voice over work). I was speaking to the ownership of the mod itself, not the piecemeal elements thereof.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Dude are you serious? Backlash about taking a free mod, and making it into a paid dlc without giving credit to the creator is absolutely justified.
afternoon delight
Member
"An unpaid intern could produce better work than you people!" Yikes.
CertifiedFP
Member
Yeah, checked it out, FedoraCodex is right this once. Looking at dialog comparisons it goes beyond simple coincidence.
But I still think they're (And NoMutantsAllowed) way too obsessed with their crusade against Bethesda. Among other issues I have with them, like the sizable amount of open bold-faced homophobes and Gaters there, complete with the whole "Corruption in games journalism" shtick.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Bethesda really has no shame.
Prophet Steve
Member
I mean that Bethesda wouldn't normally be allowed to just copy the mod as every original element introduced such as art, sound and I think also writing is copyrighted by the modder, regardless if it is made with the tools of Bethesda. Same goes with other types of derivative works.
at least give him a special thanks.
I mean how 'samey' is it. The similarities in the OP could be determined as a tribute in some way. If it's 1 for 1 the same then I'd think otherwise. Anyway, they should acknowledge the creator regardless.
And if this was your revelation that BGS is creatively bankrupt, I'm wondering what took you so long.
shiftplusone
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I assumed as much from your first post but thanks for confirming you don't actually understand what "salty" means or how it's used
They get away with making bad games, so they will probably also get away with ripping off apparently good content.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I know exactly how this guy feels, as I've been in this situation countless times. Every time I think "it sure would be nice if I got a little recognition, but either way my work is reaching a broader audience which is all I ever wanted to begin with."