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Bloodborne's Chalice Dungeon explained (+Bundle)
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Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
Now I just have to see if the Pendant is in the game with a vague description of it's function (if any) and watch as players scramble around ike a headless chicken trying to find a use for the item or make wild theories/speculations about the item and since this game will never get a PC release nobody will ever be able to check the game data to see if the Pendant actually does something.
Icyflamez96
Member
HOLY CRAP THIS IS SO AWESOME.
Man I remember seeing people suggest that the next Souls game should have a section with procedural generated areas, and everyone was all like "OH NO that's not what souls is about!" But I always thought it was an awesome idea. Glad they're going for it! That's crazy!
I know this isn't souls but still
Man I remember seeing people suggest that the next Souls game should have a section with procedural generated areas, and everyone was all like "OH NO that's not what souls is about!" But I always thought it was an awesome idea. Glad they're going for it! That's crazy!
I know this isn't souls but still
TimeEffect
Member
I wonder if the procedural worlds are next gen in that they aren't basically random rooms strung together.
I mean, I guess that's what randomly generated rooms would be, but I hope it isn't apparent. I hope there's a sense of unpredictability.
Only other randomly generated game I played was Dark Cloud 2. Loved it so much, but that game had a simple kind of generated world. I still enjoy playing those worlds, but they were a series of basic geometric rooms
I wonder if there is some more complicated algorithm to create worlds that feel like they were designed.
For example, is it all a static world? Will there be puzzle rooms/secret doors/back entrances that are randomly generated, or is that too complicated?
I actually don't mind regardless. The bare minimum will satisfy me because this is an added bonus as opposed to the main course.
But I'm curious if they can innovate randomly generated worlds and lead another generation to follow in their footsteps.
I mean, I guess that's what randomly generated rooms would be, but I hope it isn't apparent. I hope there's a sense of unpredictability.
Only other randomly generated game I played was Dark Cloud 2. Loved it so much, but that game had a simple kind of generated world. I still enjoy playing those worlds, but they were a series of basic geometric rooms
I wonder if there is some more complicated algorithm to create worlds that feel like they were designed.
For example, is it all a static world? Will there be puzzle rooms/secret doors/back entrances that are randomly generated, or is that too complicated?
I actually don't mind regardless. The bare minimum will satisfy me because this is an added bonus as opposed to the main course.
But I'm curious if they can innovate randomly generated worlds and lead another generation to follow in their footsteps.
Deified Data
Banned
If it doesn't, that will be seriously disappointing, even though I have a lot more fun making new builds instead of NG+.
It's technically not a Souls game, but I'd be lying if I said I'm not expecting a Souls game.
Icyflamez96
Member
It's Souls on roids
Least favorite section of any souls game by far. So anti-fun
WhiskerFrisker
Member
No thanks. No need for another randomly generated boss fight.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Evidently the Bloodborne bundle has now been announced for Asia too, so that just leaves the US ...
Icyflamez96
Member
I beat the Bed of Chaos on my first try and honestly forgot about him until I heard other people constantly complaining about the fight on forums. It was only on my second playthrough when I saw what people could have been frustrated about (but it still didn't take me that many tries)
Orinstein and Smough tho...
Orinstein and Smough tho...
It's so fucking awful that it's kinda funny
It's more about being boring and poorly designed than hard. I will gladly get my ass handed to me by Kenan & Kel because it's an amazing boss fight, I enjoy dying there. Bed of Chaos, though? Even when I beat it on my first try, it's just not fun at all.
Icyflamez96
Member
I found that whole area to be underwhelming. the setting was awesome but I don't recall that section challenging me at all much. I just kind of breezed through compared to most of the game.
That could actually be a good fight.
Yeah, Demon Ruins was still kinda cool on my first playthrough, but Lost Izalith... eew.
gunslikewhoa
Member
A bit OT but I was wondering if this game had weapon degradation and what the death penalty in this is.
I think there's a big difference between a fully procedurally generated game and a single dungeon.
Icyflamez96
Member
Oh yup you right I didn't even read the OP again.
Neither thing is known. If you die your messengers will have a little gravestone where you died and they sit around it and cry. People can click it to see how you died like in the previous games.
UnObtainium17
Member
I still dislike it. But one procedurally generated dungeon with share functions and the ability to lock your current level vs an entire procedural souls game is very different.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
What he said.
MMaRsu
Banned
Alright. Weapon degradation is a huge turn off to me. That single feature may decide whether I test my luck on a day one purchase or hold off.
Veritigo_X
Member
Was it that big of an issue for you? In Dark Souls you could repair at any bonfire, plus repair powder was cheap as hell.
Deified Data
Banned
It was a huge issue in DS2.
Did they ever fix the "bug" where your weapons degraded faster the higher your FPS was on the PC version?
Dark Souls II weapon degradation or any degradation? I can see why the former would upset you (personally I actually like it a lot), but there's nothing wrong with Dark Souls' weapon degradation.
I don't think so, I hope they at least fix the hitting dead bodies degradation bug in the remaster, that needs to go away. The regular 60fps degradation, I actually enjoyed a lot. It goes well with the bonfire placement (since they repair weapons automatically) and four ring slots + 6 weapon slots + decent roll for more than 25% equip load. It was perfectly balanced, I think.
Veritigo_X
Member
Oh, that game sounded like a mess to me so I never played it. Since Bloodborne is being made by the same team as Demon's/Dark Souls I don't see why it wouldn't be handled the same way.
Icyflamez96
Member
IAmRandom31
Banned
Man this game will probably end up being one of the most streamed games ever. No Mans Sky when it releases will become #1 without question, as everyone will want to watch to see what others are exploring and seeing in their own portions of the universe, but until then .. this game is going to use up a lot of the earths bandwidth lol
I don't think ,so it might for scholar of the first sin, but you can only hope. Also Bloodbourne is gonna be 30 fps anyway so that particular programming would be no problem.
I've only played a bit of Demon's and the degredation is part of what turned me off. I could deal with it, but I like breaking stuff so it annoyed me. I really want to play this game for the art and atmosphere but I'm still on the fence if I'll be able to get into it.
Jacksinthe
Banned
All over my face.
Veritigo_X
Member
Repair every time you're in the Nexus and it isn't a problem. It costs next to nothing to repair after normal use that I didn't even know anyone could have this problem. The only time it's an issue in Demon's is if some asshole is using the Scraping Spear in PvP *shakes fist*
JudgmentJay
Member
Really? Seems like a pretty weird thing to gripe about since the degradation is so slow in Demon's and Dark 1. You have to repair, what, maybe every 3-5 hours of playtime? Dark 2 is a different matter though, especially PC. Much higher risk of weapons breaking in that game.
I'm really OCD about keeping stuff like that up to snuff. It was constantly nagging me every time I broke a barrel that I may not be able to fight later on because of it.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
He didn't say that. He said the sense of achievement would be on par, if not greater, than Demon's Soul. That's not the same thing.
MMaRsu
Banned
The degredation in demon souls takes forever...Ive never had a weapon break though...
johntown
Banned
True but my interpretation of that meant difficulty level. You don't get a sense of achievement from beating something that is easy IMO.
If you don't think that is the same thing that is fine but that is what I took it as.
It's similar to my compulsive reloading in shooters. Intellectually I know it's not an issue but I can't stand not having my weapons be at their full potential before a fight. Considering the added emphasis on offense in this game, I feel like it could bother me even more.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
No, you get a sense of achievement from things like counter attacking to replenishing your health bar. The risk/reward system will give you a sense of achievement. All you get by just cranking up the difficulty is frustration. He made a point of differentiating between 'challenge' and 'achievement' for a good reason.
IAmRandom31
Banned
I think the regain system is more about the struggle for survival in Miyazaki's eyes. If you are getting wrecked by an enemy and see your health getting low your will to survive grows and you get more desperate. So you begin fighting back and fighting for your life. Struggling to stay alive and keeping your will to live intact.
I believe I read somewhere that was his thought process behind the idea. Where the health bar isn't really looked at like a health bar at all, but more of your current mental state. Something like that. Would have to scour around to find the actual wordage