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Dead Rising Unplayable in SD, No Solution Forthcoming by Chris Kohler
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Jesus Christ. The point isn't the TV, the point is that the damned text is way too small.Flo_Evans said:
Aaron said:
I tend to agree with this. There is a huge disconnect out there already between the haves and have-nots among hardcore console gamers. It didn't used to be this way. I think the Wii will score big with the have-nots, but the problem is... more and more have-nots become haves every single day as new TVs are sold every day. Will the Wii be enough to satisfy someone who wants to get the most out of the serious money he just put down for a nice HDTV? Or will that person want to step up and get the most out of his new TV by buying a fully high-definition capable gaming console?
krypt0nian
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I don't know if I'm laughing harder at CAPCOM's screw up or the fact that people are playing on 14" TVs.
The situation will gradually improve, but I'm seriously thinking MS and Sony have jumped the gun here, and should have waited until the next console cycle to push Hi-def, while Nintendo stands to reap the windfall of their error, and so will have more than enough capital and ability to leap into Hi-def when the majority can benefit. Nintendo fans in hi-def will settle, and non-fans are probably too 'hardcore' for the Wii anyway.bill0527 said:
future_pinoy
Member
36WiiS3 said:
an expensive solution
Howard Alan Treesong
Member
Dead Rising looks just fine in the 8-foot image from my 720p projector. I really don't see what the problem is.
If you can't afford a new television for whatever reason, surely a pair of off-the-shelf reading glasses would at least be within your budget?
Or perhaps one of your servants has better eyesight and can read the text for you. Instead of whinging, one should always try to find a solution!
If you can't afford a new television for whatever reason, surely a pair of off-the-shelf reading glasses would at least be within your budget?
Or perhaps one of your servants has better eyesight and can read the text for you. Instead of whinging, one should always try to find a solution!
svenuce said:
You knew ahead of time that you wouldn't be able to play the game online if you only had dial-up. SDTV owners didn't know they wouldn't be able to read s**t before they purchased DR.
There's also the fact that, if created properly, there is NO reason that a game shouldn't be perfectly playable on both SDTV and HDTV. There is legitimate reason for a game being playable over broadband but not dial-up.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
this thread makes my head hurt.
(kinda like the text in dead rising! *rimshot*)
(kinda like the text in dead rising! *rimshot*)
krypt0nian said:
Yeah, it's nice to have a good laugh at the expense of those who have less than you, huh? And it's even better when you can make unfounded assumptions about them to boot, like some of the other posters in this thread. I never would have imagined that anyone who doesn't own an HDTV is a lazy slacker who needs to get off their ass and get a better job, and doesn't deserve to be able to play next-gen games until they upgrade their TV/job/life. This thread taught me all that and more.
I'm sure this was addressed somewhere in this somewhat lengthy thread, but as a college student with a 21 inch Sony Trinitron TV/VCR combo, the talking text, and text for missions is plain unreadable. I don't need to be told to get a bigger TV, or a better TV. Mine is the college dorm standard size. I'm just glad I beat the game on an HDTV over the summer.
bill0527 said:
LOL OMG. A hur hur. You jackoff. EVERY OTHER GAME from PGR3 to Oblvion to Geometry Wars plays FINE on an SDTV. Therefore, it is an HD-optional system LOL. This game is an aberration, not a call to arms, not a messiah on the cross of HD-enthusiasts. It's a **** up, not a rallying cry.
HDTV should not be necessary to play teh game. And if it is, stick that on the box.
plagiarize
Banned
one more time, i don't think there's anyone here that thinks that capcom SHOULDN'T fix this for our 14 to 17 inch tv owning friends.
we all agree. it should be fixed. what we're trying to do is to say 'hey if you could afford $400 for a console and $60 for a game, maybe you should think about at least getting the vga cable and a CRT monitor if you haven't got one because you're totally not getting the most out of your system on that set'.
i mean, even if you DON'T have a CRT you can get yourself a cable and a brand new decent name brand 17" monitor for less than the cost of three games.
YES they should fix the problem for you guys, but we aren't ALL just being dicks saying 'LOLS BUY A $3000 TV'.
you bought a console that targets 1280 x 720. you're running it at a lower resolution, even if you can read the text in every damn game you're losing out in other ways.
we all agree. it should be fixed. what we're trying to do is to say 'hey if you could afford $400 for a console and $60 for a game, maybe you should think about at least getting the vga cable and a CRT monitor if you haven't got one because you're totally not getting the most out of your system on that set'.
i mean, even if you DON'T have a CRT you can get yourself a cable and a brand new decent name brand 17" monitor for less than the cost of three games.
YES they should fix the problem for you guys, but we aren't ALL just being dicks saying 'LOLS BUY A $3000 TV'.
you bought a console that targets 1280 x 720. you're running it at a lower resolution, even if you can read the text in every damn game you're losing out in other ways.
You're still able to enjoy the games thoughplagiarize said:
Do you know what would happen to sales if PC games only supported the top end machines? How many PC games *only* ship on DVD?
I'm not saying that developers should make games with the lowest common denominator as their target audience, but they shouldn't just kick them to the curb...I'm quite sure that many 360 owners own HDTVs, but I'm also pretty damn sure that it's not 70% or more of 360 owners...with a move like this that can render a game nearly unplayable for 30+% of your potential userbase, a warning on the box is the least they could have done
You can get a HDTV really cheap though. I got mine for $449 CAD, and it's a CRT. I'm not in the "LOL UPGRADE YOU LAMERZ LOL" camp though, just a heads-up. I wouldn't spend more than what I did on a TV.
But yeah, I think it's inexcusable for Capcom to even say themselves that it's impossible to fix the issue (if it's as widespread as GAF makes it seem to be). If it's a problem for a lot of users, then Capcom should have to fix it.
But yeah, I think it's inexcusable for Capcom to even say themselves that it's impossible to fix the issue (if it's as widespread as GAF makes it seem to be). If it's a problem for a lot of users, then Capcom should have to fix it.
plagiarize
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that's the wrong analogy though.Gattsu25 said:
the right analogy would be buying a really high end graphics card cable of maxing out any existing game at a resolution higher than your monitor supports. until you got an adequate monitor your fancy high end graphics card would be underperforming and not worth all the money you spent on it.
i could list a few PC games that only ship on DVD but again that's a seperate thing. PC games should all be shipping on DVD by now.
there are PC games where the text, menus and hud take up stupid amounts of screenspace at lower resolutions, and there are pc games where the text is so small at high resolutions that it's hard to read.
again I THINK YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO READ THE TEXT IN DEAD RISNG AND THAT CAPCOM SHOULD PATCH IT.
i'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to play every game out there... i'm saying that, you aren't using your system to it's fullest and you are missing out and that it can be resolved for less than the cost of 3 new games even if you don't own a CRT monitor already.
That's kinda what I was thinking...
I mean, who is going to buy a $500 video card and then proceed to use it on a 1993, 14" 640x480 max resolution CRT monitor? There is more to TVs than simply HD and SD, you know. Amongst SDTVs, there are a wide variety of sets all varying in quality. People with decent SDTVs are still able to read the text, so it's not even about owning an HDTV at this point, it's about the general quality of your TV.
If you are using a dirt cheap, piece of shit display with your 360, you're in the same group as those using that old monitor on their shiny new video card. If you can afford to buy a few games, you can afford a TV that will properly display your games. If you aren't willing to spend a little bit of money on a display device that can do this, don't complain when your games don't display properly.
There is a point where you have to cut out bottom end users and start moving forward or else you'll never see any progress at all. If you are playing your XBOX360 on a 10 year old 14" CRT with composite cables, it's time to upgrade. Expecting the latest games to perform properly on an ancient television hardly differs from expecting the latest PC games to run on your 8 year old 3D card. Do you think the people who spent hundreds of dollars on a pair of Voodoo 2 cards back in 98 are still expecting the latest software to run on their hardware? Hell no. If they were supporting such hardware still today, the bar would be so low that we'd see no progress at all. PC games may support lower end hardware, but there is a limit to how low they will go. It's the same situation here. Dead Rising can be displayed properly on an SDTV provided that TV meets a certain level of quality.
Skilotonn said:
Get something in your head. I DON'T ****ING CARE ABOUT GRAPHICS. How hard is that to understand? Graphics don't make a game any more enjoyable. And wtf are you talking about? Muddled graphics? The graphics look way better than anything on current gen, have you even played the game on SD to see the difference? They're just not as sharp as they could be and you know what, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT. I've been playing videogames for 22 years, i'm not suddenly going to stop because the resolution isn't super sharp.
In case you haven't been paying attention, I HAVE an HDTV it's just not setup cause of space issues in my new place. My point is that is completly and utterly inexcusable to have that super small font and to not fully test it on SDTVs. No my TV doesn't have component, it's hooked up to S-Video. I could just imagine how awful the text looks like on composite.
lol, people are still complaining. Capcom said there is no fix planned, we know there is a problem so if your thinking of getting this game but have a crap TV then don't buy it, if you already bought it and can't handle the small text or trying some of the suggested fixes then trade in the game and move on.
OK mods, close the thread
OK mods, close the thread
PepsimanVsJoe
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Bodom78 said:
Buy the game even if you don't own a TV and you have to play your games using woodchips and chewing gum.
OK mods, close the thread
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the size of the damn text in a game. SDTV owners are already missing out on a lot of the graphical flair that devs put into their games which is fine for everybody (High end users get the fancy effects, Low end users happy with just the gameplay). But to make it so owners of a certain TV can't even read mission text is unacceptable.
All you have to do is compare the start screen in the Lost Planet and Dead Rising demos. The PRESS START on the splash screen is a good size in LP even on sdtvs of any stripe while it's tiny in Dead Rising.
Man if Faf is right then I'm glad I'm not a software developer in Japan. The coding methods are beyond archaic.
First of all, text size does indeed relate to progress as higher resolution displays can allow for smaller text which is something I highly appreciate and support. Most console games stay away from using TT fonts, unfortunately. I'm not suggesting that Capcom isn't wrong here, but I am suggesting that, in general, using a TV that can't display the text in DR is very much akin to using outdated software or hardware. Microsoft isn't going to support your copy of Windows 98, you know. The font used in DR *CAN* be viewed on SDTVs and it is entirely possible that they DID test the game on such displays and found it to be perfectly acceptable.Azih said:
Again, this is an HD vs SD argument here; it's a quality versus shit argument. A good SDTV will suffice for Dead Rising while a low quality SDTV will not.
The days of giant, overblown console HUDs are coming to an end (thankfully). Of course, that doesn't mean developers should not persue alternatives for those using outdated equipment. A PS3 developer recently noted that they are looking into using TT fonts within their games using one of the SPEs on the Cell. That's a positive step in the right direction.
future_pinoy
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rs7k said:
agree to that
And none of the text in DR was so voluminous as to not fit on even a freaking 10" TV frankly. You're speaking in general while I'm focusing on just the issue with Dead Rising so we're speaking past each other a bit. And yes higher res means more text is possible. But the extremely text heavy Oblivion handled it just fine. SDTV owners just have to scroll more and have more of their in game view blocked when they're reading, that's fine, it's an inconveneince. But you're getting all the damn info you need.dark10x said:
Which is fine if the console box has a minimum specs required text. It doesn't. If the game said WIDESCREEN REQUIRED on the retail box then no one had any basis to complain. But it doesn't.
and the games I buy say XP required.
The demo Case Screen is Horrifyingly bad on my TV
Then their QA process sucks shit.
I have a good SDTV.
future_pinoy
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sangreal said:I was reading the interview in the new EGM and they asked the producer about the small text and he just laughed and said you shouldn't buy a 360 if you don't have an HDTV
I retain my stance that dead rising is perfectly playable on my 480i SDTV
thats beside the point
If you bought a highly anticipated game, one you are really looking forward to, and you couldn't read shit for the in-game text and then lost $25 on the trade in, you might feel different.Bodom78 said:lol, people are still complaining. Capcom said there is no fix planned, we know there is a problem so if your thinking of getting this game but have a crap TV then don't buy it, if you already bought it and can't handle the small text or trying some of the suggested fixes then trade in the game and move on.
OK mods, close the thread
plagiarize
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if you can't read the text on your SDTV and other SDTV owners can then either your TV isn't as good as you think (despite what brand it may be, despite what it cost you) or you're using poor cables.Azih said:
you do raise an interesting point. do most QA departments test stuff on 15" inch sets or not? i honestly don't know.
plagiarize
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^ heh.
scissorfight
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Thread was over after Stinkles post.
Just a bunch of exaggerating from both sides now.
"UNPLAYABLE"
"BUT 14 INCH TVS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL"
LAFFO
Just a bunch of exaggerating from both sides now.
"UNPLAYABLE"
"BUT 14 INCH TVS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL"
LAFFO
ryutaro's mama
Member
Thread summary:
SDTV is for suckers, as far as next gen in general goes.
IMO, if you can't afford the full experience why buy the high end machine?
Would you buy a super video card and still use an outdated moniter, incapable of fully displaying the visuals of the card?
There are people that are gonna go out and spend $600 bucks on a new PS3 and run it on an old, faulty setup.
Whaaaa????
I simply can't wrap my head around that type of thinking.
But that's just me.
SDTV is for suckers, as far as next gen in general goes.
IMO, if you can't afford the full experience why buy the high end machine?
Would you buy a super video card and still use an outdated moniter, incapable of fully displaying the visuals of the card?
There are people that are gonna go out and spend $600 bucks on a new PS3 and run it on an old, faulty setup.
Whaaaa????
I simply can't wrap my head around that type of thinking.
But that's just me.
And yes, I have a XBOX 360 AND HDTV for the record.
