I remember the WiiU hardware speculation threads. People had the same optimism being shown here. It's Nintendo, the odds they go out and use the newest technology seems very umlikely to me. The only thing that nakes me think you may be right is because apparently X1 is less efficient than X2 amd handhelds cant be battery destroyers.
Devs don't normally care about decoder specifics, as long as the frontend of the pipeline does not pose a bottleneck like on some uop-cache-less amd64 uarchs..Let's say it uses the X2 with the Denver cores, wouldn't the fact the it needs an ARM hw decoder and it is not OoOE create headaches for the developers?
It's MuchoMalo. He likes to, erm, hyperbolize.GP104 has 20 SM's (128 shaders) in 314mm and GP106 has 10 SM's in 200mm.
So they're not going to be able to fit 1 SM into 75mm??
There's no density improvement going from 20nm planar to 16nmFF. The numbers next to "nm" are really pretty meaningless these days. They'd struggle to fit evn one SM into 75mm2.
GP104 has 20 SM's (128 shaders) in 314mm and GP106 has 10 SM's in 200mm.
So they're not going to be able to fit 1 SM into 75mm??
It's MuchoMalo. He likes to, erm, hyperbolize.
Combined with the CPU, the memory bus and other circuitry, yes, unless I'm mistaken about the X1's die size.
There's no density improvement going from 20nm planar to 16nmFF. The numbers next to "nm" are really pretty meaningless these days. They'd struggle to fit evn one SM into 75mm2.
There are density improvements in 16FF+ and they'll obviously be able to fit "even one" Pascal SM into whatever is the die size of new Tegra simply because there's already two Maxwell SMs in Tegra X1.
What if the device already has a fan inside, and it'll only activate if it's docked? The current rumors clearly says there's a fan in the device.
Also people are forgetting memory bandwidth. At 540p a 64bit memory bus will be more than good enough but then if you quadruple the pixel count is such a bus fast enough?
These are the things that I'm talking about when considering the scalability and constraints of being a handheld.
TK1 has a die size around 120mm^2, and that's 192 cores (i.e. one Kepler SMX) + everything else @28nm. There's no way a Maxwell SM (128 cores) would occupy 75mm^2 @20nm/16FF.Combined with the CPU, the memory bus and other circuitry, yes, unless I'm mistaken about the X1's die size.
Or I could just, you know, but mistaken on something. I thought that the X1 had a die size of around 120mm2
What kind of memory bus has Tegra X1 in the Shield TV, because that one renders at 1080p? Shield tablet was also rendering at 1080p and above, with a Tegra K1. So why is the memory bus an issue here, I don't understand?
GTX 1060 is 200mm^2 with 1280 Cuda cores, that's 10 pascal SM. There is no reason they couldn't fit 2 or 3 in 75mm2... I get speculating, but don't give out false information as fact.There's no density improvement going from 20nm planar to 16nmFF. The numbers next to "nm" are really pretty meaningless these days. They'd struggle to fit evn one SM into 75mm2.
So tell me TechGaf, based on the info we have so far, which version of Breath of the Wild will look better on my modern living room tv - Wii U or NX?
So tell me TechGaf, based on the info we have so far, which version of Breath of the Wild will look better on my modern living room tv - Wii U or NX?
NX regardless if it is an X1 or the newer X1
I'm curious as to where people are getting their information that Tegra X2 will be both more powerfull and use less power than Tegra X1?
I can't even find complete specs never mind benchmarks and power usage graphs.
It will also look better on the handheld screen than on the Wii U, albeit on a (likely) 540p to 720p resolution screen.
X1 is a great improvement over Wii U hardware no matter how it will be used.
Who confirmed that Nvidia will release a Tegra X2 and can it be to late for that the Tegra X2 is build into the Nintendo NX?
There are density improvements compared to 28nm, but not 20nm. And I'm assuming larger than 75mm2, obviously.
The X1 is a power hungry "mobile" chip. If Nintendo goes with the X1 over the newer X2, which is both more powerful and more power efficient, then they are stupid. Nintendo held back on the power of the Wii U and they paid for it. If they hold back on both power and potential battery life on a portable console, they are truly short sighted.
And there is no way Nintendo is making a graphics amplifying dock. The additional parts and interfaces for a set up like that is a horrible price/performance feature.
Übermatik;211737330 said:Nvidia's roadmap indicated a successor chip using Denver for a 2017(?) release. The 'X2' is definitely coming.
Signs show that it would coincide with the NX release nicely, but it's all just speculation at this point, mostly based on the 'industry leading chips' statement + dev rumour mix ups.
Who confirmed that Nvidia will release the Tegra X2 this year, and right in time for the Nintendo NX?
Thanks If the Tegra X2 would be release in February 2017, would this be too late to implement the Tegra X2 into the Nintendo NX befor the Handheld goes in mass production? I mean how long can Nintendo wait for the Tegra X2?
What are the odds that Nintendo would agree to Nvidia officially announcing their partnership with Nintendo and the NX on Aug 22nd for the Tegra Next event?
I mean it wouldn't exactly spoil anything about the console itself, even without this latest leak/rumor, but would be a long overdue and much needed victory for Nvidia and the Tegra line to finally have a major gaming contract. The best place to announce that would be at the unveiling of their new chipset that many speculate will be used in some way in the NX.
Then a month later, as rumored, Nintendo could fully unveil the console itself and how it will actually work, look and all that sweet sweet goodness.
This would be the best possible outcome, and it's kind of something I'm hoping forWhat are the odds that Nintendo would agree to Nvidia officially announcing their partnership with Nintendo and the NX on Aug 22nd for the Tegra Next event?
I mean it wouldn't exactly spoil anything about the console itself, even without this latest leak/rumor, but would be a long overdue and much needed victory for Nvidia and the Tegra line to finally have a major gaming contract. The best place to announce that would be at the unveiling of their new chipset that many speculate will be used in some way in the NX.
Then a month later, as rumored, Nintendo could fully unveil the console itself and how it will actually work, look and all that sweet sweet goodness.
Übermatik;211738494 said:Slim, but possible. It'd be pushed more by Nvidia than Nintendo, as Tegra X2 in NX would be a considerable 'win' for them, as it gives them a foot in the mobile gaming market they've yet to fully capitalise on. They might not directly mention Nintendo, but could insinuate a partnership. Wait and see.
Übermatik;211737969 said:Dude, really, all you need to do is have a quick Google around. Here's the info on Tegra/Parker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#Upcoming_releases
And a recent article about the projected reveal: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3097...neration-tegra-mobile-chip-is-on-its-way.html
*EDIT* Saw your post above
Feasibly, Nintendo could be working with a different mobile GPU in lieu of X2 whilst they wait on manufacture of X2 to begin. We're in July. There's time yet. Just keep an ear out for now. Everything's quite up in the air.
NV went all the extra miles to get that design win. Their greatest gain from that deal is publicity and a foot in a door. Make of that what you will.What are the odds that Nintendo would agree to Nvidia officially announcing their partnership with Nintendo and the NX on Aug 22nd for the Tegra Next event?
I mean it wouldn't exactly spoil anything about the console itself, even without this latest leak/rumor, but would be a long overdue and much needed victory for Nvidia and the Tegra line to finally have a major gaming contract. The best place to announce that would be at the unveiling of their new chipset that many speculate will be used in some way in the NX.
Then a month later, as rumored, Nintendo could fully unveil the console itself and how it will actually work, look and all that sweet sweet goodness.
Yeah that's what I assumed. It wouldn't be a conventional move or announcement at all, but given how the Tegra line has strugged in the mobile sphere and Nvidia in general has fared poorly in gaming that they would be very keen to make this key partnership public.
Not actually mentioning Nintendo is also totally possible, maybe more so. I love it because it's such a pointless yet completely expected corporate move. Like anyone wouldn't know who they were talking about, even without this Eurogamer info out there, yet they'd still act all coy and silent about who exactly it was with.
NV went all the extra miles to get that design win. Their greatest gain from that deal is publicity and a foot in a door. Make of that what you will.
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Why are they bothering with active cooling with the dev kits then?
Someone else mentioned this earlier but what if where the controller connects you had vents and when you connect to the dock it has fans focused on the vents? Would that work or would it be a risky design?
There are density improvements on 16FF+ compared to 20SoC. And if it will be larger than TX1 them we're looking at a possible doubling of units.There are density improvements compared to 28nm, but not 20nm. And I'm assuming larger than 75mm2, obviously.
It would make the unit quite a bit thicker (as you need to fit a heatsink in there), although in theory it would be possible.
There are, but they are marginal.There are density improvements on 16FF+ compared to 20SoC. And if it will be larger than TX1 them we're looking at a possible doubling of units.
If it is true that the dev kits use actively cooled TX1s then that would be extremely strange.Is there a possibility the X1 is just for the dev kits and the actual system launches with something like the K1?
Is there a possibility the X1 is just for the dev kits and the actual system launches with something like the K1?
I won't get your hopes up on Nintendo using the X2. Nintendo never uses the newest tech right?
So tell me TechGaf, based on the info we have so far, which version of Breath of the Wild will look better on my modern living room tv - Wii U or NX?
I won't get your hopes up on Nintendo using the X2. Nintendo never uses the newest tech right?
The big advantage of X2 is that is more efficient. And Nintendo surely loves their devices to be very efficient. The downside of it might be the cost.
In order to be able to sell at a profit and be $249 or less, I imagine it'll only display in 1080p native if you dock it and play it as a console.
Portable mode, maybe have a 1080p screen on the tablet, but set games to run at 720p upscaled. Keep battery life up, framerate steady, game running smoothly. Because it won't just be running whatever game is playing, it'll be running My Nintendo, background data, updates, friend list, notifications, etc. Hopefully 8GB ram and not 4 or 6.
Unless they actually got that insane deal from Nvidia that was rumored.