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Digital Foundry: PS4K / Neo spec leak is genuine, dev kits on their way to devs
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Lys Skygge
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I'm torn on the NEO. On one hand, It's exciting that we'll have an even more powerful PS4. On the other, the NEO is what will prevent me from adopting PSVR (for awhile anyways). I'd rather have the best PS console than a different way to play. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.
Indeed. That said, it would be a god thing for this to play UHD discs as it would drive adoption.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Agreed. And hence why Sony probably does not have a UHD drive in site this year yet.
This is their UHD drive (hoping) they want to push first. Since it is basically their 'set top box'/games machine in one.
Kawika
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Agreed. And hence why Sony probably does not have a UHD drive in site this year yet.
This is their UHD drive (hoping) they want to push first. Since it is basically their 'set top box'/games machine in one.
Having the UHD in the machine is probably the only thing that would make me want to jump in on this. I kind of felt forced in a way to adopt a 4K tv because of the input lag and response time of most none 4K tvs in 2016. If I could have bought a 65" 1080p with nearly the same specs as my 4k I would have in a heart beat ( and probably saved a few hundred dollars). But now that I have a 4K tv, i really do want content for it. Sigh, they tricked me months ago and I didn't even realize it.
Would probably be the best way to market this thing. If they at all try to hype it up as a superior experience their messaging will go to shit.
I did not know this. Very cool though, its really hard for me to find any down side to this and I'm starting to feel like the naysayers are just uneducated on the subject. It will be interesting to see how Sony markets this a at E3 but I like how the poster above a put it as sort of branding it as a slim console revision with added perks.
THE:MILKMAN
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I now wonder if they'll just sell it as a slim without even mentioning performance upgrades or at least downplaying the differences. Sell off existing stock of PS4 fat and PS NEO becomes the new PS4.
I now wonder what they will call this given Osiris says it has a name. Could just be it remains PS4!
Ps4k has the same ammount of ram, assets will not get much better. 50gb is more than enough, and if someone want more, they can do it viaonline patch or via 2nd disc.
Can they actually do that?
Downplaying the differences is one thing but not at least mentioning the performance upgrades..or a reason to buy one...I dont know...
Will be curious how they do this tho.
I meant moreso in terms of pure storage capacity on the bluray itself, like if uncharted 4 hits 49gigs alone, a slight asset bump would clear the max easily. Though you are right about alternative solutions, like online or a 2nd disc.
It's not about downplaying, it's about not distinguishing it from the current PS4 as a parallel model. So they can say "PS4 is adding x,y,z, same price, same box, same games, now better" not "PS4.5 is coming out with all these cool features at this higher price."
Audioboxer
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People buy new consoles just because slim revisions and new colours come out. Any upgrade to a games technical performance is going to be lapped up. Especially if all the constant bickering about DF articles are to mean anything.
And Witcher 3, Fallout 4, etc.
THE:MILKMAN
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I admit it seems unlikely but Sony are going out of their way to make PS NEO look, feel and work like the OG PS4 in every way from a user interface perspective. I don't think they'll completely hide the fact it is more powerful but they may not shout it from the rooftops, either.
Now release date prediction:
I'm going with September if this year. Both PS3 slims launched in this month 3 years apart.
Spring Drive
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- Project has been in concrete talks for about a year
- PS4K won't replace the current PS4
- Current PS4 to have a price drop when PS4K comes out (Sony is reportedly talking about a 'low price' model)
- PS4K was initially made to boost the VR capability of PSVR
- CPU and memory will get a boost
- Games that are already out can get a graphical boost
- The initial plan was to release the PS4K right after E3 but won't come out until fall 2016 (but no actual release date)
Wishmaster92
Member
Can't wait for it!
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Fall 2016 - just get the pre-order going now Sony. I'm excited to see what titles will be Neo enhanced on launch!
That would be expected. PS4K with 4K native res games running at 60fps would be epic. And we all know that's not happening.
Still, I'd buy a PS4K day one if it can provide Bloodborne 1080P solid 60fps with no frame pacing issues. I'd buy one probably just for that alone and of course for better PSVR performance.
potatohead
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There could be a few. Maybe, maybe Resogun at 4K? Hell they got that to run on a Vita at ~540p30 with all that crazy voxel physics
For most games though, 1080p native with strong anti-aliasing would be a god-send... oh my.
Just add a sprinkle of SSAA or MSAA and I am golden
Uncharted 4 NEO mode is gonna be god-like.
SmoothOperator
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You all wanted an affordable PS4 at launch.This comes at a price : subpar hardware.
The PS4 is clearly outdated and except for a few games here and there nothing has ever been impressive.
It's time for you guys to kiss your 5-6 years classic cycle goodbye and welcome the smartphonesque model with an upgrade every 2-3 years building upon the previous models without having to start from scratch again.
Yes Yoshida is right in a way, will there ever be a proper PS5 build up from the ground ? Doubt it.
Technology is moving very fast nowadays even the Neo will be an outdated dinosaur by the time 2019 rolls out.
Give me some Playstation with HBM technology and enough juice power to enable free 4K (I'm dreaming I know) by 2020 and I'll be a happy man.
The PS4 is clearly outdated and except for a few games here and there nothing has ever been impressive.
It's time for you guys to kiss your 5-6 years classic cycle goodbye and welcome the smartphonesque model with an upgrade every 2-3 years building upon the previous models without having to start from scratch again.
Yes Yoshida is right in a way, will there ever be a proper PS5 build up from the ground ? Doubt it.
Technology is moving very fast nowadays even the Neo will be an outdated dinosaur by the time 2019 rolls out.
Give me some Playstation with HBM technology and enough juice power to enable free 4K (I'm dreaming I know) by 2020 and I'll be a happy man.
Hahah I knew I should've put Housemarque in there as the exception. I kid you not as I was typing that exact sentence, their name kept flashing in my head as probably the earliest exception to this. IF anyone can do it and do it well with no bullshit/tricks, it'll be them w/out a doubt cause they are absolute technical wizards I feel.There could be a few. Maybe, maybe Resogun at 4K? Hell they got that to run on a Vita at ~540p30 with all that crazy voxel physics
For most games though, 1080p native with strong anti-aliasing would be a god-send... oh my.
Just add a sprinkle of SSAA or MSAA and I am golden
Uncharted 4 NEO mode is gonna be god-like.
And agreed, 1080P games at solid 60fps or 30fps with extra bells & whistles sounds nice. I better not see any frame pacing issues on the NEO or I will be pissed at the devs.
I bet it sell more than the Wii U & Xbox One if it's $399
They'll knock it out the fucking park if it's that price imo and drop the PS4 to $299. The momentum will not stop.
Souldestroyer Reborn
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Buying it.
Won't lie, I'd have liked to see the CPU get a bigger boost. Potentially pairing a new technology GPU with an old POS CPU seems like a bit of a letdown.
Won't lie, I'd have liked to see the CPU get a bigger boost. Potentially pairing a new technology GPU with an old POS CPU seems like a bit of a letdown.
It's because people were expecting a huge loss-leader again. I think at one point some people actually expected a GTX 680 or Titan in the thing due to Epic's threats, and some big-core quad-core Intel or PPC CPU. I can't remember the exact wording though.
Also, something that a lot of people don't realize is that, despite it being mid-range, the PS4's GPU may be the most power-hungry GPU in a console to date and is only offset by the CPU.
Its supposed to be a cheap investment for them and easily compatible. We'll get a much bigger boost next time, mark my words about that
so we got another 400+ console to look forward to ? wow that sounds amazing
visiblemode
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This has been my position all along. It just means that finally the slim will have performance features. People pray for this everytime....and now it's non-stop complaining.
potatohead
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Yea I find this very funny, in past generations many people actually asked that if they are releasing a new version of the console, why should it not be a little more powerful.
TGO
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Guys give me idea cuz I don't know but isn't the PS4K still weak anyway?
I mean even if PS4K was released at launch people would still say it's weak? Right?
Also I asked in the other thread but I'll ask again here, do you guys think backups would work with PS4K?
I mean even if PS4K was released at launch people would still say it's weak? Right?
Also I asked in the other thread but I'll ask again here, do you guys think backups would work with PS4K?
rokkerkory
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Huge Succeeded
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yeah sort of like how you'd have had another 400+ console to look forward to anyway...
now you've got the option to freshen up your coffee.
Killing_Joke
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Uh, it better have a 4K player.
E3 release would have been perfect too. Sucks they couldn't get it ready in time.
E3 release would have been perfect too. Sucks they couldn't get it ready in time.
gamerforever
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I really don't think this will be out for a while, at least late autumn.
Demanufacture
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Sold my PS4 today at a profit (got it on a misprice) and now greatness awaits
What are you going to do in the meantime?
Huge Succeeded
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await greatness.
thelastword
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I'm thinking they delayed the release after E3 to gauge what type of specs the competition are going to go with. If NX and XB1.5 are below Neo's specs they can launch anytime they want before October, if NX and XB1.5 are close to Neo's specs they can one up them with the CPU upgrade they were considering for $500.00.
I think Neo specs was leaked deliberately to force MS and Nintendo to say something about their upcoming machines, that way Sony can play it's cards to have the upper hand and react accordingly. I imagine If XB1.5 is close to Neo, Sony will announce an advanced CPU with Polaris at $499.99 as an option.
Well, that's fine, your buddies can still play all games PS4K will play, only that we may play them at higher resolutions and framerates. So perhaps the games you play at 30fps, Neo owners will play at 60fps. That's ok because all PS4 owners will still play online together, Neo or OG, so nothing changes except the hardware benefits mostly in SP. When these friends are finally ready to upgrade to those benefits, the NEO will most likely be cheaper for them too.
DeepEnigma
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Ironic isn't it. The masked 'Ice Cream argument', when all the other FUD excuses fail.
It'll be 399.
By definition the next unit will be far more powerful than the PS4 or 4K...just cause of how technology is advancing. HBM will be viable at that time, far more ram will be viable, Zen will hopefully be out and mainstream, the single GPU's will be over 15+Tflops.
And then devs will no longer have to worry about Jaguar, lower end bandwidth or what have you holding things back in their games.
What faster CPU is there? The only one AMD has out right now is Puma, and that is only a marginal upgrade over Jaguar. You have to wait till Zen which is not ready yet.