The policy only applies to competitive multiplayer. Single player can have different target framerates, but they can't offer completely new modes or gameplay features.
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Eurogamer - PS4 Pro gives Battlefield 1 gamers a multiplayer advantage
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PhazonBlazer
Member
What are the odds that Dice lowers the graphics settings on OG PS4 to try to get at least closer to 60 FPS?
he was just asking multiplayer games in general.. I know BF1 does not support it. But thanks for the info anyway.
Sad Affleck
Member
He's been very positive from day one, he even said that the chequerboard rendering method produces good results.
Wow, I thought that was a given.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
I am so far beyond fine with what the title states that there's not even a word for it yet.
*plinkett* Oooooh no, PS4 Pro sometimes gives users a negligible advantage in a game every now and then! OOOOOH NO
where were you when you got sniped repeatedly by that guy because his 30-ping-having, big screen viewing, zero-latency suffering, better-controller-using ass had an 'unfair advantage'? were you complaining about it on the internet? no, you've probably not even given it a second thought...
*plinkett* Oooooh no, PS4 Pro sometimes gives users a negligible advantage in a game every now and then! OOOOOH NO
where were you when you got sniped repeatedly by that guy because his 30-ping-having, big screen viewing, zero-latency suffering, better-controller-using ass had an 'unfair advantage'? were you complaining about it on the internet? no, you've probably not even given it a second thought...
golden post
Saberus
Member
Moon_frogger
Member
everything is now click bait. Actually, of course everything is clickbait. Can we please stop pointing it out? what website doesn't want you clicking on their articles lol. that term needs to die.
Regardless, this is interesting in that it does relate to some of the conversations about what this means in the console space and it being a level playing field as apposed to the PC. People can be snarky about it all they like but some of us enjoy discussing it, it's not like you need to take it personally.
Regardless, this is interesting in that it does relate to some of the conversations about what this means in the console space and it being a level playing field as apposed to the PC. People can be snarky about it all they like but some of us enjoy discussing it, it's not like you need to take it personally.
The point is online multiplayer has never been a level playing field on any platform. There are factors far more impactful than a framerate difference.
The Hamburglar
Banned
No it doesn't. I'm sure I've played against pro players on my og and I'm still topping the score board in the top 3 every game and I'm not saying I'm a pro player either.
People with ridiculous k/d are either tank whoring or playing sniper and are not contributing anything.
People with ridiculous k/d are either tank whoring or playing sniper and are not contributing anything.
Cyborg
Member
I agree! Im a Pro played and are sometimes beate bu OG PS4. This is just insane article
The Lamonster
Member
The gameplay advantages you get from increased framerate are insignificant.
People who are blindly moaning about the Pro mode benefits should just think about getting a Pro. You're content to play at 40FPS but God forbid if someone with an upgraded machine has a slightly higher framerate... what about when your Internet lags? Do you start screaming that everyone has an advantage over you? No. What about when you're stood at flag A getting bombarded by mortars and grenades. Your FPS tanks to 30 but the person trying to DMR/Snipe you is getting 45-50FPS because he isn't in the explosion zone? Do you moan then that the other player has an advantage? No. You moan because your machine cannot handle the stuff being rendered on screen.
Just saying, the choice is there and you already knew what you were getting in terms of performance (BF4 & BF1 beta). Moaning about it is moaning for the sake of moaning.
Just saying, the choice is there and you already knew what you were getting in terms of performance (BF4 & BF1 beta). Moaning about it is moaning for the sake of moaning.
So...what does "targeting xFPS" mean? What's to stop devs from always targeting 60FPS and just saying "Well, the pro is steady at 45 and the OG has dips into the single digits, but we targeted 60, and look at those bullshots!"
Just curious, I've seen that a lot, and I'm wondering how much the statement actually means.
Just curious, I've seen that a lot, and I'm wondering how much the statement actually means.
Technically there's nothing stopping from a dev from doing that, but they'd get shit on by everyone so it won't happen.
"Target" just means what it's locked at. A "target" of 30 means that the framerate will be capped at 30 (see Driveclub). A target of 60 means that the framerate will be capped at 60 or uncapped since most TVs don't do more than 60Hz
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I think that means simply that multiplayer won't be running on 30FPS capped on PS4, and unlocked 60 capped on Pro. In their own game UC4 multiplayer runs at a more stable framerate on Pro, while regular PS4 has drops below 60, but they are both capped at 60.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Just running a higher res can be considered an advantage.
sems4arsenal
Member
Happening on PC I feel isn't a suitable argument since this isn't PC gaming and it has always been a fixed platform.
However, TV lag, pro-controllers and internet connection are also big factors in MP advantage so yeah can't have playing level field really.
However, TV lag, pro-controllers and internet connection are also big factors in MP advantage so yeah can't have playing level field really.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
Sony can't have their cake and eat it. They can't sell a new powerful console at a higher cost to gamers but also gimp it at every opportunity and always ensure there's a level playing field.
Guess what? These aren't fixed platforms anymore.
By the logic of some posters here anyone who was playing on a a smaller or larger display, owned surround headphones, or had a lower-latency display should have been shuffled off to another server for failing to meet an imagined "standard" that everyone was supposedly following.
If you are actually playing games at a competitive level then:
a) you are probably playing on a PC anyway, which actually offers a legitimate competitive/esports scene for FPS titles
b) playing at a competitive level has always required the purchase of additional, often expensive, equipment that offers tangible advantages over the typical user's experience
c) other factors such as display lag, surround headsets and premium wired controllers offer a more constant, substantive difference in quality compared to situational framerate drops
As a Pro owner it's bad enough that the system is sitting in an underclocked state for many titles that would otherwise benefit from its extra horsepower - gimping multiplayer performance for the sake of parity (remember when PS4 owners cried about parity all the time?) renders yet another advantage of the system completely redundant.
somecrazymember
Banned
I dont think this is an issue. People playing on a crappy tv will also have disadvantages for example.
Movalpolos
Banned
I was honestly playing a little worse for the first couple days I had my Pro, getting used to that steady framerate.
Now I'm playing just as good as I was before the Pro upgrade.
Now I'm playing just as good as I was before the Pro upgrade.
LelouchZero
Member
Its ironic how people want to ride the "PC is like this" bandwagon now when performance advantages were one of the proclaimed negatives of PC Gaming.
Latvian Hitman
Member
That's a good point. I sure haven't noticed any difference in my performance since acquiring my Pro. Plus- let's not get BF confused with some twitchy, E-sports arena shooter.
family_guy
Member
Just lower the PS4 resolution to 720p.
sems4arsenal
Member
Which is why we're having this conversation
thepenguin55
Member
I mean, the system is called the PlayStation 4 Pro for a reason son! It's the Professional PlayStation... for Professionals.
(in case you haven't picked up on it the sarcasm in my post is thick)
(in case you haven't picked up on it the sarcasm in my post is thick)
Which virtually never happens in MP games. As long as there's variable framerate, this will happen throughout gameplay, and as others have pointed out, it's at least an order of magnitude less impactful than the internet connections - which are also uneven.SlipperyFishes said:
the_batman
Banned
a difference from 50fps to 60fps is not enough of an advantage to worry about. if you're a skilled player, you'll still beat people who are playing at a slightly higher framerate than you.
yeah, people playing with their TV settings all whacked out and with increased input lag put themselves at a disadvantage.
yeah, people playing with their TV settings all whacked out and with increased input lag put themselves at a disadvantage.
GhostOfSparta305
Banned
thelastword
Banned
They're too busy comparing pro with TITAN X systems with 16-32 GB of RAM and a 6700k Skylake CPU.....Like the person who was buying that PC mistakenly got a pro....DF will surely show these Pro users how wide the gulf is, how better BF1 particles, shadows, draw distance and textures are on this PC...
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Worthless clickbait article is worthless.
I don't get it.
How does any of "happens on PC" or "connection/tv/controller disadvantages" arguments justify adding another variable to consistency in console gaming?
The less are differences in initial conditions, the better. If we already have several, why adding another one?
"Happens on PC" argument is even more ridiculous if you compare it to some real world situations. It's like if crime level in city X is high, you don't bother lowering it in city Y. Is that your point?
How does any of "happens on PC" or "connection/tv/controller disadvantages" arguments justify adding another variable to consistency in console gaming?
The less are differences in initial conditions, the better. If we already have several, why adding another one?
"Happens on PC" argument is even more ridiculous if you compare it to some real world situations. It's like if crime level in city X is high, you don't bother lowering it in city Y. Is that your point?
BigEmil
Junior Member
Yep it still is though by a lot. Wow PS4 Pro users get a few extra fps extra over base PS4 how cute, muh playing field!
While on PC the disadvantage is much much greater like I said before people with up to 240fps and all the other fps numbers many different PC gamers can think of to their monitor hz rate, adjust FOV really high and everything else. Saying consoles is as unfair anywhere near PC makes me laugh
