It's probably one of the most stupidest design decisions of last gen. Hitman could have been huge if they kept to the BM template, instead they followed the standard AAA model and killed any momentum the franchise had.
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First details on the next Hitman game (IO, PC/next-gen, open levels, no checkpoints)
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It's probably one of the most stupidest design decisions of last gen. Hitman could have been huge if they kept to the BM template, instead they followed the standard AAA model and killed any momentum the franchise had.
Exactly this, the disguise system in Absolution was one of the worst parts about it, it was just a fundamentally wrong design choice to make.
Z
ZombieFred
Unconfirmed Member
Awesome, awesome news. All they need is to tweak the disguise system to be a blend with Blood Money and then we're good. It would be nice to have Kyd back as well!
Pyramid head
Banned
They're certainly saying all the right things. Make it so IO.
While most Hitman games are a bit dated now, Blood Money still holds up, I'd recommend checking it out if you want to see what people think is missing/wrong.
Yeah, Kyd would be great to have back. Previous Hitman games had amazing soundtracks.
shinobi602
Member
Just make a next gen Blood Money 2.
3rdamention
Member
THIS. For something to be such an big part of the gameplay mechanics, the disguise system was awful. Detection was inconsistent, some disguises just wouldn't disguise you. However, I still enjoyed playing the game and thought it looked really good.
Please do.
Also please add man on wheelchair so speedrunners can lure him into stairs.
sixteen-bit
Member
I think they meant current gen.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Sounds like they learned from their mistakes. I'm looking forward to a new Hitman in the vein of BM with Absolution's Contracts mode. If the disguise system hadn't felt so broken I would have logged a LOOOONG time in Contracts.
Dick Justice
Banned
Oh, one more key thing: remove Instinct and the dumb disguise system made around it. It says a lot when your game plays more like previous Hitman games when a modder releases a trainer to change the parameters of the AI's response to you in costume and make it very close to the older games. It's absurd that you have to hide behind cover when you have a disguise when a man 15 feet from you can make you out..in a factory. Where everyone is a PMC. It's either that of holding your forehead...which somehow works? Dumb, dumb dumb.
Please IO. I want the greatness of Hitman, so bathe inspiration from Silent Assassin, Contracts, and Blood Money. You have a trilogy of games that got it right under your belt.
EDIT: The CG render on the page has the name "AirportRender_Absolute_Final". This might be a stretch, but could the game actually be called Hitman Absolute? It sounds way too similar to Absolution, so I hope not.
That render might also give away some potential locations.
From that angle, he kinda looks more like David Bateson than in Absolution. Hopefully they're keeping him on to do the mo-cap in addition to the voice this time.
Enjoyed Absolution despite it not being as good as Blood Money, going back to a more open level design is already a great idea. Considering just how good Absolution looked i expect greatness.
Edit: Oh and please if you do checkpoints don't have all the AI routines start again.. that was so odd.
Edit: Oh and please if you do checkpoints don't have all the AI routines start again.. that was so odd.
Fruitster
Member
No checkpoints, sandbox levels? Exactly what I was hoping to hear. Absolution got some things wrong imo, but the potential for a great Hitman title was there. The mechanics were very sound in Absolution, and the graphics and atmosphere were great. Just that wretched disquise system and it's linear approach let it down. The few sandbox levels in Absolution were easily it's best parts.
Maybe this new title will be the proper Blood Money follow up.
Maybe this new title will be the proper Blood Money follow up.
The perfect Dark
Banned
Next-gen only? Meh, not interested
Noisepurge
Member
"Weve adopted an open, non-linear level design approach to the game, ensuring the game will play out across huge, checkpoint-free, sandbox levels. "
Best line in the whole release! though "adopted" is more like "we went back to"
Best line in the whole release! though "adopted" is more like "we went back to"
Interfectum
Member
That's going to become the norm pretty quick.
Noisepurge
Member
and its a good thing, more games should be strictly last gen or next gen to get rid of that baggage.
shinobi602
Member
Not everyone has a next-gen console yet sir.
BibiMaghoo
Member
Sounds great, I look forward to it
Moff
Member
This is excactly what I was hoping for, take the good from absoution, the graphics, the controls, contract mode and make a full sized blood money style game with it.
excellent.
I also have full trust in IO.
the have proven in absolution that they can still do it, it included some good levels. they just chose not to make all levels like that for several reasons.
If they say now they'll make more or even only contracts and blood money inspired levels I have no reason not to believe them.
oh and no magic pockets is a good thing
I would also have loved to see something new, like a second playable character, but since they seem to want to please the fans first, they might not be open for experiements.
excellent.
I also have full trust in IO.
the have proven in absolution that they can still do it, it included some good levels. they just chose not to make all levels like that for several reasons.
If they say now they'll make more or even only contracts and blood money inspired levels I have no reason not to believe them.
oh and no magic pockets is a good thing
I would also have loved to see something new, like a second playable character, but since they seem to want to please the fans first, they might not be open for experiements.
Hitman always had weapon limits. Actually, Absolution was the game that removed them. In previous Hitman games you had to put sniper rifles in suitcases and couldn't just put away bigger guns like shotguns and aussault rifles. In Absolution they just said 'fuck it' and allowed players to stuff anything in their pockets.
loganclaws
Plane Escape Torment
Absolution was so so so bad that a million announcements like these won't convince me IO. Will definitely wait for reviews and hope you won't:
- Use instinct mode
- Have linear levels with no assassinations
- Use splinter cell type sneaking behind cover
- Use the disguise system from Absolution
- Have QTEs, scripted set pieces and retarded cutscenes
- Try to make it an action game instead of an intelligent puzzle game
- Use instinct mode
- Have linear levels with no assassinations
- Use splinter cell type sneaking behind cover
- Use the disguise system from Absolution
- Have QTEs, scripted set pieces and retarded cutscenes
- Try to make it an action game instead of an intelligent puzzle game
I don't understand some people. First, they whine and whine and whine and whine and whine about Absolution and all that they think is wrong with it. Then, when the developers actually listen to the gamers and are promising to try to improve on those aspects, the same people are all "lol, sorry, won't buy, this just reeks of desperation". I mean, do some of you people get off on the constant negativity in your lives or why is it so impossible to be at least (very) cautiously optimistic? Sure, the execution might still be lacking in the end, but at least they are trying to listen to even the worst negative nancies and improve things, which should be commendable instead of being met with constant hostility & negativity towards the devs.
LeadenStride
Member
Sounds really good so far. Seems like IO has learned from Absolution and realise the mistakes and missteps they have taken with it. Getting rid of checkpoints is the best decision in terms of game design in my opinion (especially if they decide to bring back manual saves).
Personally, I'm very pleased by the bigger variety of locations the player will travel to as Agent 47, as the US got a bigger focus with each installment of the franchise.
Contracts mode making a return is also nice, as it showed potential, but the small levels didn't give enough opportunitites for the players to let their imagination run wild.
Personally, I'm very pleased by the bigger variety of locations the player will travel to as Agent 47, as the US got a bigger focus with each installment of the franchise.
Contracts mode making a return is also nice, as it showed potential, but the small levels didn't give enough opportunitites for the players to let their imagination run wild.
removing magic pockets is good but the MUCH MUCH better news would have been if they got rid of the fucking instinct mode.
Worst mode in gaming history, Agent 47 seeing through walls and knowing where the enemy is going? GTFO... seriously who asked for this shit? This is one of the main reasons why i hated Absolution.
Edit: I know you don't have to use it but the game is design around this terrible thing.
Worst mode in gaming history, Agent 47 seeing through walls and knowing where the enemy is going? GTFO... seriously who asked for this shit? This is one of the main reasons why i hated Absolution.
Edit: I know you don't have to use it but the game is design around this terrible thing.
Moff
Member
try blood money, chances are low the new one will be better than that one
you always had the maps in hitman with enemy positions, instinct had the same effect gameplaywise.
but I definitely prefered the maps, I hope they will come back. thats actually my biggest wish that wasnt already announced, even before the disguise system.
I didn't think Absolution was a terrible game, but I don't feel that it lived up to the earlier titles either. It sounds like they are going to make a game with a similar scope to Hitman 2's and hopefully better gameplay than Absolution had but keeping the contracts mode which was it's best new feature.
Perhaps I am being optimistic, but I am looking forward to seeing how it pans out.
Perhaps I am being optimistic, but I am looking forward to seeing how it pans out.
But those kinda made sense, wouldn't a good hitman figure out where his targets are and mark them in some way? The Instinct magic stuff was just... odd.
Let's not lose sight of the truth here. Instinct wasn't the real problem with Absolution. The broken disguise system was. They ruined the defining trait of Hitman's stealth gameplay!
2-3 disguises per level (and some had only 1), and if someone else in the same outfit saw you from across the map you'd be busted. Total bullshit.
2-3 disguises per level (and some had only 1), and if someone else in the same outfit saw you from across the map you'd be busted. Total bullshit.
Magic Mushroom
Member
I want to believe!
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
No, they said the levels are wide and open. Which was the case of every Hitman game before Absolution
Oh, one more key thing: remove Instinct and the dumb disguise system made around it. It says a lot when your game plays more like previous Hitman games when a modder releases a trainer to change the parameters of the AI's response to you in costume and make it very close to the older games. It's absurd that you have to hide behind cover when you have a disguise when a man 15 feet from you can make you out..in a factory. Where everyone is a PMC. It's either that of holding your forehead...which somehow works? Dumb, dumb dumb.
Please IO. I want the greatness of Hitman, so bathe inspiration from Silent Assassin, Contracts, and Blood Money. You have a trilogy of games that got it right under your belt.
EDIT: The CG render on the page has the name "AirportRender_Absolute_Final". This might be a stretch, but could the game actually be called Hitman Absolute? It sounds way too similar to Absolution, so I hope not.
That render might also give away some potential locations.
It goes under the name "Hitman: Profession".
Like I said earlier, this is a trainer that addresses the need for Instinct in its entirety, primarily with AI detection range and the like. The catch, however, is you need to be playing the launch version of Absolution, as a late patch changed things that actually cause the trainer to crash the game. I have the game from Steam, so I assume this avenue is 100% out of my hands to use now, isn't it?
tryagainlater
Member
Sandbox levels? I'm interested. Now fix that disguise system.