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First details on the next Hitman game (IO, PC/next-gen, open levels, no checkpoints)
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Vinterbird
Member
The most interesting part is that it is Xbox One, PS4 and PC only. Hopefully IOI can push the machines, and make bigger worlds thanks to being freed from the current generation of consoles and their limitations.
Yes, but it is frankly quite sad that they first needed to spend so much money, time, and effort on a fundamentally flawed design before realising that what the fans wanted was the best route to take all along.
Moff
Member
both was pretty magical if you ask me. but yeah, as I said, I prefer the map, it just fit and felt better
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
Non-linear and checkpoint-less? Blood Money-inspired? I'll need to see the proof first, IO.
The PC/Next-gen focus should hopefully remove technical constraints as an excuse for the small/linear level sizes.
The PC/Next-gen focus should hopefully remove technical constraints as an excuse for the small/linear level sizes.
this right here
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-04-hitman-absolution-returns-interview
http://www.officialplaystationmagaz...ion-ps3-interview-with-director-tore-blystad/
I don't trust you anymore IO interactive. You are filthy liars.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again
Hitokiri03
Member
I want to believe it, but after Absolution, IO lost my trust.
SentryDown
Member
Sandbox, no checkpoint, Glacier 2, no magic pockets, next-gen, globe-trotting, exotic location, Blood Money & Contracts inspired and next-gen ? Count me in.
AHA-Lambda
Member
in other words, what absolution should have been! >_<
Yeah I didn't think I imagined it. I will happily be proved wrong though if this game is on par or better than Blood Money. I'd even settle for better than Hitman 2 ie no corridor levels. I've got a bad feeling that they might have just made the corridors more "open" instead. Now you have 2 exits out the building instead of one.
I know. I was making fun of using "next-gen" as a key phrase. And it will become more and more ridiculous as the time goes. They should stick to EA terminology at list. Or invent one. Call it "Gen 4 ONE" or something.
Moff
Member
you do realize what you're quoting though, right?
they are saying that in blood money all levels were amount the same size, and that absolution will have levels with different sizes.
cant say that was wrong
alexandros
Banned
Sounds great, I believe IO will deliver this time.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Reads like "seriously, we hated Absolution too we promise! Diana is back! Real Hitman is back! Please give us moneys..."
DrGonzo615
Banned
If its as good as this letter makes it sound....day one.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Sandbox, no checkpoints and do what you want? FUCK YES. They listened!
Honestly, I'm just happy that Diana is back. Maybe the girl will show up again too?
Sandbox, no checkpoints and do what you want? FUCK YES. They listened!
Honestly, I'm just happy that Diana is back. Maybe the girl will show up again too?
stn
Member
Big fan of the locales idea. Some of the best missions across the series include the hotel mission, the embassy party, the heaven/hell party, the American suburban house, and so forth. More of that. Absolution felt like one boring trip across some generic south-west area with bits of interesting thrown in.
Also, please no ridiculous stuff this time around - it detracts from the dark tone the game should have. I'm talking about the antagonist from Absolution, who was an absolute joke, and other stuff like the saints.
Finally, there doesn't need to be a focus on story. Just make it so that 47 is being hunted by someone and use that as an excuse to send him around the world searching for targets. I don't want to
, that was just awful.
Also, please no ridiculous stuff this time around - it detracts from the dark tone the game should have. I'm talking about the antagonist from Absolution, who was an absolute joke, and other stuff like the saints.
Finally, there doesn't need to be a focus on story. Just make it so that 47 is being hunted by someone and use that as an excuse to send him around the world searching for targets. I don't want to
rescue some girl with secret powers or whatever as was in Absolution
Well I remember there being talk of a possible patch for the awful detection system in Absolution, but nothing came of it. (As far as I'm aware)
FULLY on board for a new actual sandbox Hitman game!
Though I share the same concerns as others here, lack of "magic pockets" and such.
Just fix the detection system, remove/rework the points system that penalises you for using a disguise and ditch the detective vision and HUD clutter. >=(
EDIT: And everything from the post above!
FULLY on board for a new actual sandbox Hitman game!
Though I share the same concerns as others here, lack of "magic pockets" and such.
Just fix the detection system, remove/rework the points system that penalises you for using a disguise and ditch the detective vision and HUD clutter. >=(
Seriously, IO, I want to believe
EDIT: And everything from the post above!
Well, didn't the game go through a lot of different phases? I recall reading somewhere where they actually considering making it a grindhouse themed Hitman game, or at least take influence from it. Absolution seems like a game made in response to a hiatus; a game that has loose connections with its previous incarnations, but enough changes in an attempt to make it more modern. It seems that the changes they made, based on taking the claims by IO to heart, have not benefitted them. Perhaps it was the lukewarm reception to Absolution that got them to wake up and realize "okay, we didn't have to change all of this". At least, that's what I hope.
All I want from them is the following.
- David Bateson
- Consider getting back Jesper Kyd (I know he's done a lot of other projects since Blood Money, so he might be busy with other things. If not...GET HIM INVOLVED)
- A decent disguise system. One should not have to take cover and fucking hide in order to not be outed, and using Instinct is a pleb response to it.
- Make Instinct a tool for people who are terrible at stealth games, IF it is to return. The Super Guide to Hitman, if you will.
- Based on the removal of magic pockets, which I assume means you cannot hide big weapons, I do hope that they don't allow guns to warp to 47's hands.
- Offer an element like Silent Assassin and Blood Money to where you can plan with weaponry and maybe get information on your mission before entering it. Knowing an area might be armed with heavy defences could incentivise the player in considering to bring a submachine gun or something.
- Make the targets the victims of the player how the player seems fit. Absolution was designed intentionally with the designers planning out all of the possible options. Make it like previous games to where you can do something not expected or "scripted" by the designers to kill the target.
- Linearity in Hitman is fatal. Avoid this at all costs. The worst missions in the franchise are the missions with the smallest room for player imagination and improvisation.
- Try to design the game that if levels or scenes continue, there's at least continuity. It was always jarring to see in Absolution that if you bothered to use an attire, the game assumed in a scene that you just stuck with the suit. The biggest offender could be seen as early as the first mission in Absolution
OldAsUrSock
Banned
You do realize that last gen is over?
D
Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
Jesper Kyd seems to be working on less games per year than before. Assassin's Creed and Hitman really don't feel the same without his awesome music.
Anyway, I'm proud that they seems to be listening, but I won't fall into this if they don't confirm that instinct is gone and I see at least three big maps.
And thank goodness for no checkpoints.
Anyway, I'm proud that they seems to be listening, but I won't fall into this if they don't confirm that instinct is gone and I see at least three big maps.
And thank goodness for no checkpoints.
ebullientprism
Member
God that China town level PR video was a Halo 4 BR slayer PR video level of bait and switch.
FunkyLounge
Member
This is absolutely excellent news.
To be fair here the previous games always did this, where the exit cutscene always has him in the suit regardless of current disguise. But they did curb the design of Absolution too strongly based on the story as he was more on the run instead of being able to have a selection of weapons planned out for hits. No magic pockets is the best part as it lets them set up walking around with a suitcase filled with a sniper rifle instead of being able to pull it out of thin air in an impossible scenario. It also bugged me that weapons couldn't be dropped as it meant there was no way to have frisk/metal detection.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Frankly, the "Suitcase" mechanic was one of the most badass things about BM. It was always like, "Okay, let me find a nice, secluded place...now let me make this kill...now let me put my gun away...now let me saunter back out of this place with nobody the wiser."
And if you decided to bring the shotgun? You had to go pick it up at a drop off point, then it was like "EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE TONIGHT" time.
LeadenStride
Member
I don't really think the change in the disguise system was that bad of an idea. The idea behind it was more realistic than before, as it isn't plausible either to jump around a fellow guard and not having him suspecting anything if you just have the same uniform as him. However, IO needs to adjust the level and speed of suspicion raised by NPCs according to how many there are of the same people wearing the same outfit. If there are hundreds of police officers within a level, one should be quite secure. If there are more like two of them, the other police man should immediately recognise Agent 47 as being an impostor. Also, if the disguise hides the face completely, there should only be trouble if someone speaks directly to Agent 47 demanding a response. This has always been kind of broken in every game of the franchise.
In my opinion, the disguise system should definitely be improved on and not dropped totally in favor of the old one.
In my opinion, the disguise system should definitely be improved on and not dropped totally in favor of the old one.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
Dear IO
Get back to making a new Freedom Fighters you jerk bags.
Get back to making a new Freedom Fighters you jerk bags.
I hope they don't rush anyting. BF4 comes to mind.
LeadenStride
Member
What rumored plans?
stn
Member
The lack of "magic pockets" is a great idea. Say you have a level where you need to snipe a target. Well, suddenly you'll have to think of how to conceal your weapon and bring it in. Adds another level of depth to the puzzle element. Also, the more realism the better. 47 should only be able to conceal his ballers, fibre wire, and perhaps a knife.
Also, one more thing I thought of. I'd like to see faster and more fluid animations when changing disguises and using stealth attacks. Some of the animations drag on too much when you're trying to act quickly in order to avoid being spotted. Lastly, they should definitely bring back the cover system. It worked fine, its also much better than hugging a wall and using the camera to peek.
Also, one more thing I thought of. I'd like to see faster and more fluid animations when changing disguises and using stealth attacks. Some of the animations drag on too much when you're trying to act quickly in order to avoid being spotted. Lastly, they should definitely bring back the cover system. It worked fine, its also much better than hugging a wall and using the camera to peek.
Cross-gen, barebones and possibly Contracts Mode only and potentially F2P.
The Janitor
Member
If they got Kyd back I would be hype. He's what made the atmosphere in the Hitman games so damn good.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
Was that supposed to be the game SE Montreal was working on before they focused on mobile titles?
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
The classic Hitman model was to drop 47 in an environment (ex. a hotel, a weird party in a meat warehouse, or a suburban neighborhood) with one or more targets and the odd extra objective to complete before leaving. A checkpoint system tends towards a linear set of hostile enemies and objectives instead, which unfortunately describes at least 3/4s of Absolution.
chickdigger802
Banned
also the checkpoint system sucked ass due to repositioning/respawning all enemies.
Really curious if they can rejigger to engine to support old school manual save/load.
Jeronimo Jones
Member
Absolution was the 1st Hitman I played. I wanted to like it, but didn't finish it because it just wasn't fun. The previously-mentioned disguise/instinct system was the main reason.
I'll wait for more details/impressions/reviews before I decide to try the new one.
I'll wait for more details/impressions/reviews before I decide to try the new one.
TheSinkingKnight
Member
I have a feeling that this next game will be great. I hope IO have learned their lesson and it seems like they've been listening. I just hope they remove the mark and execute option. Well, if they don't, it doesn't bother me too much because it doesn't waste two buttons like it does in Splinter Cell.
SniperHunter
Banned
Sounds good.
I've always wanted a huge open airport level in a Hitman game. Where almost all of it is accessible, from the terminals, to the shops, to the car parks, to the boarding halls, to even one of the planes, and the hangers. Basic logic says that if they had big open levels in Blood Money, in 2006, then in 2015 or whenever they should easily be able to have big open levels twice as big.
Still holding out hope. I haven't played much of Absolution, but I love the prior series and Blood Money is one of my favourite games of all time. Use that as the base, IO.
Still holding out hope. I haven't played much of Absolution, but I love the prior series and Blood Money is one of my favourite games of all time. Use that as the base, IO.