Different strokes and all that. A lot of people genuinely do prefer the racing in open world games. Its understandable.
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Gamespot: Why I'm not excited for Forza Motorsport 6
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After playing Driveclub, I'm ready for this. I do prefer the full sim model and 60fps for my driving games, so since DC was a personal disappointment, I may get an XB1 by the end of the year (unless Sony have a surprise GT7 announcement... PAHAHAHA I couldn't say that with a straight face).
Indeed. I pretty much hate open world. Whether it's an RPG/Action-Adventure or a racing game.
I like to drive on (real world) circuits. That's what I connect with motorsports.
drotahorror
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Dude's first few words are something like "FH2 was my GOTY so it would make since that I would be stoked to hear about Forza 6..but I wasn't" Well duh, it's 2 different types of games. I don't have an XB1 but I'm hype to play FH2 sometime this gen. I'm not hype to play Forza 5 or 6. FH2 is an arcadey like racer that I would enjoy. Forza Motorsport series is something I have little interest in due to the nature of it's driving physics.
But..throw me some good closed tracks over an open world any day. Hence Driveclub is one of the best racing games ever made.
But..throw me some good closed tracks over an open world any day. Hence Driveclub is one of the best racing games ever made.
Black Mantis
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The assumption that people should be excited for an FM game if they love Horizon (or vice versa) is stupid, seeing as they play so differently. I can totally understand why the writer isn't excited, his opening statement was dumb and not needed. For me, FM6 needs to bring in weather and night-races for me to get excited. Plus better music 
drotahorror
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My favorite thing about open world racers is looking at the mini map often because the on screen indicators are usually awful about telling which way to go next. Also the traffic. I love looking at the mini map for a split second only to be hit head on by traffic at 200mph. I love having a sick tear on a race and smashing into some random traffic that just happened to be around a corner that I was drifting around.
Open world racers are sick.
chromatic9
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Now sim style games on console are dead, its time to bring Forza and GT to PC. We like track tyranny.
I completly agree with him, played the Forza games last gen and didnt give the Horizon a go after not enjoying the demo.
This gen the demo and game blew me away, I cant see me going back now, if I get the Forza game it'll probably be for demo purposes assuming it'll turnout an an amazing looking game.
This gen the demo and game blew me away, I cant see me going back now, if I get the Forza game it'll probably be for demo purposes assuming it'll turnout an an amazing looking game.
Vicetrailia
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Worthless watch, I can't believe I wasted my time on that.
AstroNut325
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Someone is getting paid to spout this nonsense?
Miles Quaritch
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The DC AI complaints are valid, the rest of the video though.
Eh...
Confined by the tyranny of the track?
Gamespot pls.
Eh...
Confined by the tyranny of the track?
Gamespot pls.
I found the video over the top but his statements are pretty much why games like Forza Horizon exist.
"I dislike sim racers, therefore I am not excited about a sim racer"
Wow... ?
Don't do this.
Wow... ?
Don't do this.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
The death of the track racer, bravo playground/FH elitists bra-fucking-o
REMEMBER CITADEL
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There are plenty of ways around that, from following driving lines or other racers, over looking for checkpoint markers (for instance, in FH1 they're giant bright lasers tearing the skies, in FH2 they're huge columns of bright billowing smoke), to using GPS navigation. I tend to use the mini-map in FH games just as much as I use it in FM titles, which is not a lot.
If only there was a rewind button I could press... But sure, traffic can be an annoyance since it's usually too random, although it can also lead to some great, exhilarating moments. Thankfully, traffic can be left out of the actual racing events (as opposed to just cruising around in the overworld). In FH (but also some FM) games there are event types that include traffic, and there are those that don't.
They can be, yes. That said, both have their place under the sun, and I hope it remains that way. The video in the OP is fine for a personal blog post, but not much else.
Miles Quaritch
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You're really blaming Playground?
All they did was make an exceptional game that has left some 'racing fans' rather soured on traditional track/circuit racers. They can't be held to account for how fans feel about the racing genre after they play their game any more than any other developer...
You're being ridiculous.
LicenceToK1ll
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I agree if FM6 turns out to be just a small iteration of the series with no big new additions.
But I'm waiting for the day a 60fps fully fledged sim with Driveclub graphics/weather, realistic physics and damage-model comes out with tracks like the Nurburgring and Spa-Francorchamps comes out.
But I'm waiting for the day a 60fps fully fledged sim with Driveclub graphics/weather, realistic physics and damage-model comes out with tracks like the Nurburgring and Spa-Francorchamps comes out.
I Want Your Cat
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Ah damn that guy... I just don't know...
To enjoy an open world racer is good, they can be really fun!
But to shit on Forza Motorsport for not being open world is beyond stupid. I'm sorry i don't like to name call but wtf yo?
I'm too tired, I'm finding it hard to put into words how wrong this GS opinion is.
I feel better knowing gaf does not approve of this shit.
Edit: Just read some more comments and am beyond disappointed with gaf right now.
To enjoy an open world racer is good, they can be really fun!
But to shit on Forza Motorsport for not being open world is beyond stupid. I'm sorry i don't like to name call but wtf yo?
I'm too tired, I'm finding it hard to put into words how wrong this GS opinion is.
I feel better knowing gaf does not approve of this shit.
Edit: Just read some more comments and am beyond disappointed with gaf right now.
This does kinda read like 'I don't like open world racers because I'm not very good at them'.
Still, there's plenty of room in this world for both. I've no idea why some people are trying to move away from circuit racers. Perhaps they don't like motorsport.
Triggerhappytel
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Oh my god, this video is such complete bollocks. I hate this mindset that everything has to be open world.
I don't understand. What's specifically 'American' about it?!
Very American point of view I think. And one I strongly disagree with. Why can't there be room for both
I don't understand. What's specifically 'American' about it?!
AbandonedTrolley
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So Forza 6 to get bashed for the same reasons as Driveclub due to it's restrictive nature of only racing on race tracks and not being able to speed across fields?
Should we only have one type of adventure game, or one type of FPS? Geez some reporters really don't have a fucking clue!
Should we only have one type of adventure game, or one type of FPS? Geez some reporters really don't have a fucking clue!
sobaka770
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What the hell is this? FM just as GT and other simulator will never go open-world. It's not even the same bloody genre (almost).
Why would I want a simulator of racing on real circuits with championships and the thrill of pure driving go open-world where competition will be not on driving skill but who avoids incoming traffic better, learns the shortcuts and the fastest route?
Now open-world racing can be fun but, come on, closed-circuit is the real deal: that's why all tournaments are done on the track and not in the middle of NYC.
For gaming, open-world may be fun, because it allows us to do things we'd never do in real life, but simulator series don't appeal to wreck-the-car, find-all-the-painting-stations, open-world public, their target are for people who like cars, tuning, performance, behavior on the road and enjoy driving them. That's why FM is a racing simulator it's the damn game description. So please, go back to Horizon, NFS and rid us of your stupidity.
Why would I want a simulator of racing on real circuits with championships and the thrill of pure driving go open-world where competition will be not on driving skill but who avoids incoming traffic better, learns the shortcuts and the fastest route?
Now open-world racing can be fun but, come on, closed-circuit is the real deal: that's why all tournaments are done on the track and not in the middle of NYC.
For gaming, open-world may be fun, because it allows us to do things we'd never do in real life, but simulator series don't appeal to wreck-the-car, find-all-the-painting-stations, open-world public, their target are for people who like cars, tuning, performance, behavior on the road and enjoy driving them. That's why FM is a racing simulator it's the damn game description. So please, go back to Horizon, NFS and rid us of your stupidity.
It takes a true fanboy 'us vs them' mentality to believe this kind of nonsense is all due to an agenda by certain fans of one game. Not surprised to hear this from you guys, though.
T_Exige
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This guy doesn't even know what motorsport really is.
It's mastering the track, the history, the tradition, the setup of the cars ...
So many great tracks like the Nürburgring, Spa Francorchamps etc.
Yeah, lets compare them with a local road and use LMP/GT cars to make jumps ...
I can enjoy open world racers, just fun and games like Horizon and Burnout did a great job, but leave the track racers alone tbh ;p
It's mastering the track, the history, the tradition, the setup of the cars ...
So many great tracks like the Nürburgring, Spa Francorchamps etc.
Yeah, lets compare them with a local road and use LMP/GT cars to make jumps ...
I can enjoy open world racers, just fun and games like Horizon and Burnout did a great job, but leave the track racers alone tbh ;p
ArkkAngel007
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Not everything has to be open world. Wonder what the gaming community will complain about when they finally get their amazing story driven, mind-blowing visual, open-world, 4K, 120 FPS, advanced A.I., consequence-ridden, multiple pathway, and deep gameplay system title.
In other news, I can't be excited for FM6 because I've never played a Forza title yet.
I do have FM5, just haven't gotten around to it. Hope I like it though. Never played a track sim and not much of a racer person.
In other news, I can't be excited for FM6 because I've never played a Forza title yet.
I do have FM5, just haven't gotten around to it. Hope I like it though. Never played a track sim and not much of a racer person.
Drifting awful? Maybe you think DC is an arcade racer and as such, drifting should be as easy as adding 2+2.
Drifting needs skill and is very rewarding after doing a good one : /
And DC have everything a racing game needs. Master the car, master the track, and do the best you can.
The racing mechanics are solid and spot on, fun, and the multiplayer is addictive. No need for anything more if you like racing.
travisbickle
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His description of Driveclub is wrong, and his choice of music during that whole section (not from the game's soundtrack) is telling.
"Forza Horizon 2 was my favourite game of 2014, so it would make sense that I would be super stoked for Forza Motorsport 6"
Uh no it doesn't.
One's simulation the other's an arcade racer in fictional world.
Racing games don't have story or world building which would make you excited to see a game from a franchise even if it's from a different series and a different genre. Everyone knows Motorsport series is about Motorsport so it would be nuts to expect open world here. If anything he should demand Forza Horizon 3 to be a sim if he wants a sim racer in open world. Corridor racer is such a bad complaint to make.
Uh no it doesn't.
One's simulation the other's an arcade racer in fictional world.
Racing games don't have story or world building which would make you excited to see a game from a franchise even if it's from a different series and a different genre. Everyone knows Motorsport series is about Motorsport so it would be nuts to expect open world here. If anything he should demand Forza Horizon 3 to be a sim if he wants a sim racer in open world. Corridor racer is such a bad complaint to make.
travisbickle
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That's what the original video does. And uses poor in-game footage and moody soundtrack to put across his faulty opinion.
Nah, the drifting in DriveClub is awful. I'm in full agreement with that.
It definitely doesn't have everything a racing fan needs either. Not even close. In fact, fuck DriveClub. Overrated racer of the year 2014. I really wanted to like it and it left me colder than any racing game I've played in the last ten years. It looks nice though, so there's that.
Oh yeah I know. Sorry I'm not sticking up for the video. I'm just talking about people who start off saying you can like both circuit or open racer but then shit all over one of them.
The point is that some people here are doing the same thing, "Stop picking on closed track racers!" and then "Open world racers suck."
Yeah, I agree with this. I'll reinstall it when I upgrade my harddrive and it is a good game to get some weather going and stick a friend with a joypad.
All I want is Burnout & GT7 now dammit! And F1 if I actually had any faith left in Codemasters whatsoever.
PepperedHam
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A pretty dumb video. The guy is entitled to his opinion though.
I am still bewildered at the "Driveclub lacks personality" criticism he has though. What were they supposed to do, put some crazy wacky green mohawk guy in the game to give you a big thumbs up or something? The game has cars, the game has pretty tracks, the game lets me drive those cars on those pretty tracks, and the game gets my blood pumping. It's a racing game that gets right down to business. There's a reason that Driveclub has been my go-to game the last two months, it's so quick to turn on and get on the road. I like being able to turn it on and just pick a circuit/event/tour/whatever and be in a race almost immediately. I'm a slave to the tyranny of the track I guess.
I am still bewildered at the "Driveclub lacks personality" criticism he has though. What were they supposed to do, put some crazy wacky green mohawk guy in the game to give you a big thumbs up or something? The game has cars, the game has pretty tracks, the game lets me drive those cars on those pretty tracks, and the game gets my blood pumping. It's a racing game that gets right down to business. There's a reason that Driveclub has been my go-to game the last two months, it's so quick to turn on and get on the road. I like being able to turn it on and just pick a circuit/event/tour/whatever and be in a race almost immediately. I'm a slave to the tyranny of the track I guess.
Jesus ****ing christ - when was it impossible for differing types of games within the same genre to co-exist and be relevant.
Do we see the same complaints that COD is a foot soldier shooter and needs to embrace vehicles because like BF does :/
Man the euthasistic press is an asinine embarrassment - completely out of touch it seems when it comes to driving games
ps3ud0 8)
Do we see the same complaints that COD is a foot soldier shooter and needs to embrace vehicles because like BF does :/
Man the euthasistic press is an asinine embarrassment - completely out of touch it seems when it comes to driving games
ps3ud0 8)
Obviously it doesn't get other people's blood pumping the way it does yours.
samurai1226
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I prefer closed circuits and never get into open world racers. To me it's fun to learn the tracks and try to master every turn with your car or compare how well which car performs in your hand on the same tracks.
Open world racers can be fun, but it's too much relying on the game have to tell you where to go in a race because it's just too much variety.
There's enough potential for good open world an d good closed curcuit racers
PepperedHam
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And your point?
Acquiescence
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Another eejit who thinks open world automatically means better. It doesn't, Burnout Paradise saw to that. I'll take a series of linear, well designed tracks over some fully explorable locale that I'll have seen every inch of within the first two hours any day of the week.