Freeman
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The Rift uses a camera as well.
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GDC Expo: hands on impressions/media of Project Morpheus (Sony VR)
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Just_myles
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LiquidMetal14 said:
Well imo, that is going to be something that we will have to accept. As long as attention is on these devices, and gamers are in a sense 'at each others throats' on which is better (even though we know the rift DK2 or any future iterations will likely be better), is good for the VR entertainment industry. That will spawn more innovation/creation.
This is a big deal imo and i'm glad this is happening.
NoMoreTrolls
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Good await proper comparisons.
Maninthemirror
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https://twitter.com/crowsmack/status/446359435493928960
@ScottLowe @yosp Ha! I think everyone might want to know how it compares to the ORift. Loved it myself. And those Morpheus specs...$$$
@ScottLowe @yosp Ha! I think everyone might want to know how it compares to the ORift. Loved it myself. And those Morpheus specs...$$$
ewwwww what is this garbage.
efyu_lemonardo
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Are you fucking serious??
Next you'll complain about not being able to play 120fps lag free online from across the globe...
Both Morpheus and Rift use cameras for positional tracking. If you are lying down, positional tracking is not completely neccessary. Gyroscope and accelerometer will provide head tracking for morpheus in that position whilst the rift also has a magnetometer although I'm not sure on the specifics of if it helps more at all with head tracking or positional tracking
wanderingprostheyltite
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The limitations of where we're at tech-wise in the consumer market. Positional tracking without a camera is very difficult (and expensive) to do. People would likely be paying much more for a non-camera tracking setup. According to the Oculus guys, positional tracking is a serious R&D undertaking that fields in military and medical invest lots in. Gonna be some time till we see a cost effective consumer solution that doesn't need a camera.
Heh, very nice.
TheRealTalker
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LOL, it's not even remotely the same thing. Though camera technology has come a long way, lighting and positioning tend to be a problem despite the latest technology with things like this.
I agree with that, but that's basically just one of the concepts, hopefully it ends up working out the way I hoped though.
ShinMaruku
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Maninthemirror
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Sony at hands on event : no consumer product in 2014
Lighting wise for morpheus, they are fairly bright and the cameras are tuned specifically to look for that frequency of light I assume, similar to ps move. Oculus opted for infra red which should be ok in most lighting conditions.
BlackBuzzard
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So QD's next game most likely using VR?
backbreaker65
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Watch his body language in relationship to the dragon, he's in that world, as they say presence.
smh.
efyu_lemonardo
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It basically comes off as you complaining tech isn't as advantanced as you want it to be, regardless of what is technically feasible or affordable. it comes off as ignorant.
Might as well ignore the limits of physics while you're at it.
oh no
, I definitely let myself get too hyped for this. Any chance rift drops this year? If not I might have to give in and buy the next kit, I need to try this out.Isn't it similar to the moe technology on the ps3? If so that had all sorts of calibration issues, which ultimately drove me away from it.
At CES they said they want to get the consumer version out as soon as possible after the dev kit2 but this could still mean alot.oh no
If not, alot of people will buy Dev Kit2 ...
I know who Carmack is and I respect what he's done, but he's not gonna come out and praise the thing. It's like Shu walking into a bone conference and singing its praises.
You went from 1 extreme to the next there. If somebody complains about 60 fps, does that mean they're pissed it's not 240? No, I don't give a damn about that. I just missed the part where the rift uses cameras. I've seen a ton of videos and never noticed it, what are home users currently using for a camera? Does the dev kit come with it?
This works perfectly with the shark gif above.
oh no
Sadly no. There is no chance that they will release anything in 2014 when DK2 is launching in July. They will maybe announce release date toward the end of the year, spring 2015 at the earliest.
K
kittens
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This shit is so cool! God, I'm so pumped about VR.
thunder_snail
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OR DK doesn't use a camera but DK2 does.
A camera is necessary right now because no matter how good the sensors are on the headset itself, errors pile up and will need to be recalibrated. What the camera does is recalibrating the headset for you in realtime.
Search up dead reckoning for more info.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Sooo have we gotten a direct comparison between Morpheus and Rift DK2 yet? Or just more tweets saying "rift" when comparing with no indication which version it is they're referring to.
Probably a lot better than that. I don't believe Carmack anymore since he always puts down Sony hardware and later is found to be overly pessimistic.
QuickSilverD
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I say about 10% chance of retail OR units before Christmasoh no
PS4 camera is better than the PSEye, plus many later move games apparently improved on the calibration issue
Any explanation why? You guys sound like a bunch of butthurts who can't take any criticism whatsoever. I just had different expectations, relax, people are allowed to have opinions. I don't see how it's that different from the psmove technology, hell the first prototype is a move controller slapped on a personal viewer.
I'll probably grab the DK2. Is there a thread about it, or is it all in the occulus OT?
So far, nothing but very basic, one or two sentence tweets.
Would like to hear more about the impression of the demos themselves. I don't expect the VR headset to be anything revolutionary that we haven't already seen, but the tech demos and games themselves can still be extremely exciting to hear about.
Would like to hear more about the impression of the demos themselves. I don't expect the VR headset to be anything revolutionary that we haven't already seen, but the tech demos and games themselves can still be extremely exciting to hear about.
They're a bunch of tech demos tossed together for a show, doesn't seem like graphics were the priority anyways.
It's not, this is different to your standard console war, just look at what Oculus said about Sony VR prior to the reveal. This is a highly unpredictable area which may result in both companies losing a lot of money, a big company like Sony getting more people interested in VR is a benefit to Oculus too.
Nightengale
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He was referring to your misspelling of move to 'moe.
Moe is a Japanese slang, which basically is an exclamation to something cute.
Like a blushing shark shouting senpai.
efyu_lemonardo
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I don't have a devkit, but remember that OR1 doesn't claim to track absolute position, and it can't even track rotation on all 3 axis if I remember correctly.
I'm not even sure a self contained system that accurately tracks position, rotation and linear acceleration exists, regardless of price. It may not be physically possible to prevent the data from degrading over time without an external reference.
Watching the dragon video, when he points the move out, watch the bow on the screen. It spazzes out multiple times, just saying.
wanderingprostheyltite
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This is a situation Twitter is not friendly to with its character limit. I want to read detailed descriptions, a narrative if you will, of what people have seen. I'm sure we'll see plenty from the major outlets throughout the day though.
my bad... but seriously who would know that?
The graphics comparisons are always going to be odd. I actually think depending on what he means, he's either low balling it, or being overly kind.
In terms of the raw drawn image, I think the PS4 is going to produce much better looking VR games than basically Rage, which I imagine he's primarily referencing. But in the context of it being an inch from your eye, to have a comparable impact, you're going to need far better looking games than I imagine the PS4 is going to be able to produce in VR.
In terms of the raw drawn image, I think the PS4 is going to produce much better looking VR games than basically Rage, which I imagine he's primarily referencing. But in the context of it being an inch from your eye, to have a comparable impact, you're going to need far better looking games than I imagine the PS4 is going to be able to produce in VR.
I never thought it did track absolute position, all that really mattered to me at the end of the day was headtracking. Body tracking is not important to me, since without one of those treadmills, or a game on rails, it's mostly useless.
TalentBurke
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The end of gaming...
LiquidMetal14
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I don't care much for the visual comparisons as far as HW but how it actually works. It seems like it's very immerssive so they're on the right track as people need to really remember that is not final at all before casting it off or knocking it compared to Rift.
wanderingprostheyltite
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I wanna know how much it'd roughly be to have the tracking setup Valve used for their prototype. People were able to walk all around the room they had it set up in, complete freedom of movement. I know there were QR code looking printouts all over the walls but no idea where the cameras were if any were used or how it really works. I would totally devote a room to VR (if I had a spare one).
I hope Polyphony are working on a Gran Turismo VR for the PS4, optimized for Morpheus.
Doesn't need the biggest track selection, or car amount. Doesn't need to look as good as DRIVECLUB, even. Just make it an awesome showcase of how hard you can push the PS4 in VR. Able took around a car as you race. Seriously, that would be a device seller. Almost the perfect kind of thing to launch with, where you aren't considering complicated movement.
Get on it, Sony.
Doesn't need the biggest track selection, or car amount. Doesn't need to look as good as DRIVECLUB, even. Just make it an awesome showcase of how hard you can push the PS4 in VR. Able took around a car as you race. Seriously, that would be a device seller. Almost the perfect kind of thing to launch with, where you aren't considering complicated movement.
Get on it, Sony.
What's that?
Twenty7KVN
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And it shouldn't be graphics would sort it self out,get the device working is number one at this point.
I think even the Rift DK1 is amazing. I don't think people are going to be disappointed by what this delivers at all when they use it. It's fully capable of blowing heads open and having them spew lava everywhere.