I really really am ready to spend up to 3500 for a 4K TV, low latency (<40ms) at 4K with HDR on, OLED, Full 4:4:4 to my knowledge literally does not exist. If I have to maybe i'll go with the KS8000 LCD? Does anyone have an opinion on the difference between that and a great OLED?
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HDR 4k TV sets with lowest input lag?
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bigboss370
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the power of PS4 Pro
would like to know this as well. currently looking at the KS8000 65"
I'm looking at the Samsung 8500, my only problem is that it's curved, any got a curved tv? how you feel about it when playing games?
I haven't played any games on one, but I did see it in person at BB today. And it looked amazing, even better (to my eyes) than the non-curved version (8000 series). I'm seriously considering going with the curved version.
3rdamention
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If you are seriously concerned about it being curved, why not go with the exact same TV, not curved, and for $100 less?
It is an incredible TV from all the impressions and reviews.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...e-silver/5065600.p?id=bb5065600&skuId=5065600
Not sure what you mean by 4:4:4...can you elaborate? I have a Titan X, but you can still get great 4K performance from a 1080, as long as you aren't a stickler about having the highest settings at 4K for some games. I always want to optimize to 60fps at 4K and it feels great playing at that frame rate. The game mode for the TV doesn't actually go to "game mode" when it detects a PC connected, so it still keeps the same great IQ and low 23ms input lag. It just hard-locks to a 60htz refresh rate and I can still use the dynamic mode and HDR and dynamic contrast adjust (I keep everything else off as far as post processing). This TV is awesome with a PC hooked up at 4K.
Garuda1One
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Guys, thinking of buying the samsung KU6300
this is the one
http://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...6-series-4k-uhd-tv-2016-model-un40ku6300fxza/
it says HDR Pro, i believe it is the same as HDR10 ?
this is the one
http://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...6-series-4k-uhd-tv-2016-model-un40ku6300fxza/
it says HDR Pro, i believe it is the same as HDR10 ?
Hmm, you got a point.
I think I'll keep an eye on this set for black friday, hopefully there'll be some more solid info on how much lag there is when it's displaying the 4k HDR.
Original Man
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Can't be, it's only 8 bit
Garuda1One
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How did you get that number ? can't find it in the spec sheet..
This HDR thing is confusing
potatohead
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Hah, that's gonna be same for me probably. I'm using super budget 1080p stuff for my desktop and PS4 so any upgrade is a big upgrade for me at this point XD
Original Man
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I found the answer under Amazons Questions for the tv. Sure you can Google the model and 8 bit and it'll come up as well. 10 bit tvs start at like 1k, like the Vizio 50 C-1
Garuda1One
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well damn, thanks..
this is more confusing for me.. haha, so, whats the rule of thumb for finding this 'true' HDR10 TV with all this different marketing jargon ?
10 bit colour and WGC ?
Original Man
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Basically if it has 10 bit and it says it has hdr, you should be good. There's two standards of hdr though. HDR10 which is found in xbox s and PS4Pro, and Dolby. I would recommend finding a tv that has both so you won't be screwed in the future
. Like the tv I mentioned above.https://www.vizio.com/tvs/pseries/p50c1.html
CyberChulo
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It's the HD-DVD vs BluRay battle again. Except this time it's a "quieter" battle. But since 40+ million PS4's will be activated for HDR 10, it's only a matter of time before the war is won.
Look at the KS9500 that is Samsung's top of the range 2016 set, and allegedly has a low input lag
No, it does the important things, it's 10-but and gets to over 1100nits for brightness.
stargateheaven
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i expected it cos it's sooooo confusing and a fucking mess.
CyberChulo
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All you guys thinking of picking up Samsung tv's. Make sure you do your research on the panel and not just on price. Most are edge lit panels and you are most likely going to have screen uniformity issues such as banding. Just putting in my two cents.
Drillary Clinton
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Samsung KS8000
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dude, first of all, it is great that you are super happy with your TV. Thats the important part.
Then, your TV does not have 23ms input lag in 4K and non game mode.... you are just not playing games where input lag matters or simply are not noticing it. I personally am not sensitive to input lag so my large but cheap Samsung 58" works fine despite input lag likely being 50ms.
If you are using dynamic mode and 4K, you are likely closer or above 100ms. Your TV was tested at 113ms lag outside the game mode, at 1080p. It is going to be worse at 4K (they tested +30ms in 4K game mode).
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
Samsungs are infamous for having good game mode input lag but terrible input lag outside the game mode, with game mode picture looking "bad" since everything is turned off.
Haha I have two of them a 55 and a 40 I'm on the edge of buying a 4K tv but man it's going to be hard to give up these beauts as the super low input lag and amazing picture will be hard to beat,
boyshine
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JU7500 does not have HDR, or QD and it's edge-lit. Do not recommend that screen to anyone buying a 4K TV in 2016.
I wish I had gotten a 40 inch one of these for my bedroom.
I do have the Sony 60W600B in my living room which is decent for gaming but still not as quick as the 900A.
I'd still just be cautious dropping cash right now, I think I read that some HDR sets actually disable HDR in game mode.
chromatic9
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I'd rather not go with "seems" "feels" "I'm really sensitive to input lag"
Many of those people came forward with their ROTTR XBO expertise, claiming it to be fine when it wasn't.
We need testing with game mode and HDR mode on every review needs to explicitly state what the input lag is using HDR mode.
Seems the best way is to see the set outside of game mode like the Visio P series
DF say KS7000 has 112ms of lag outside of game mode, are the other KS models that different that everyone is recommending?
Trouble is DF go on to say the DX750 is great but only claim responsive controls, seems you can only test 1080p game mode and assume if the set allows HDR in game mode you'll be okay, sort of and have to use their experience, which could mean the set has any number for lag until the reviewer perceives it? 2160p and HDR within game mode is going to add more but we don't really know.
In another review "The LG UH850V offers up 48ms of latency in cinema mode, which should provide a fairly responsive gaming experience when using HDR."
Assumptions are just not good enough for me, sorry.
Many of those people came forward with their ROTTR XBO expertise, claiming it to be fine when it wasn't.
We need testing with game mode and HDR mode on every review needs to explicitly state what the input lag is using HDR mode.
Seems the best way is to see the set outside of game mode like the Visio P series
DF say KS7000 has 112ms of lag outside of game mode, are the other KS models that different that everyone is recommending?
Trouble is DF go on to say the DX750 is great but only claim responsive controls, seems you can only test 1080p game mode and assume if the set allows HDR in game mode you'll be okay, sort of and have to use their experience, which could mean the set has any number for lag until the reviewer perceives it? 2160p and HDR within game mode is going to add more but we don't really know.
In another review "The LG UH850V offers up 48ms of latency in cinema mode, which should provide a fairly responsive gaming experience when using HDR."
Assumptions are just not good enough for me, sorry.
Night Hunter
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Just to get this right, the Samsung UN55KS8000 is the equivalent of the Samsung UE55KS7000 here in Europe, right? While our 8000 are 9000 in the US and our 9000 ar 9500 in the US?
Night Hunter
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Dee Dah Dave
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Correct.
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The KS8000 in PC mode has around 45ms input lag and can do full RGB 4:4:4 with 8bit colour. To switch to 10bit colour for the PC games that support HDR, you have to drop to Chroma 4:2:0 in your GPU's control panel.
In game mode it has ~25ms input lag and again will display at Chroma 4:2:0. The setting that game consoles and UHD players etc use.
On PC I have both profiles set up, and I switch between them depending on whether I am playing a game or just doing general PC use.
Overall it's a great TV to accompany a PC.
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VS the OLED's. As a quick statement, I would say with the Sammy KS you are getting 80% of the TV for 50% of the price. The picture quality is still fantastic and the input lag is better.
I can highly recommend the KS line for anyone looking for a 4K HDR TV.
Isnt it more like dts v dolby?
I'd agree once we get confirmation what the input lag is in 4k with HDR. If it is still 22.6ms or in the ballpark then the question is whether to get this since it is the best option available or wait until next year when there is hopefully something comparable with full array local dimming.
Could you even tell the difference between 50 and 20?
I like the ks7000 in Europe:
https://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-ks7000-ue55ks7000-uhd-4k-tv-review.12659
Dee Dah Dave
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Yes, I have the 60KS7000. It's a great set!
LowEndTorque
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Any reason to throw down a chunk of cash on a 4K set right now when the set you end up buying will probably be outdated and vastly surpassed by better (and cheaper) sets in a couple of years?
michaelius
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Can You check if you can use HDR in game mode ? I can't find confirmation that KS7000 is updated and some people are telling it haven't received new firmware yet.
I have the 65", it's an awesome TV that you can find for a decent price on sale. I also have the JS8500 and while it doesnt have the brightness for "proper" hdr it's still a beautiful set.
Samsung has been hitting it out of the park with their upper mid TVs lately. They just need more FALD sets